Accelerated Posted November 11, 2003 Report Share Posted November 11, 2003 Yeah, make-up should be kept to a minimum (if any) - just to highlight some of the facial features, but not so much that it becomes easilly noticeable. - just my taste Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted November 11, 2003 Report Share Posted November 11, 2003 Then there's the other thing that women do and men don't... Make-up! With all due respect to people who are for it, what is the point of looking like something that you are not? All this crap you stuff up your pores with (I especially laugh at the cheapness of the material and how they sell them at high prices for women to gloat over!) and then complain about this and that on your skin at an old age. And it is being dishonest to men who deserve to know what they're getting. LOL - well I can agree with you here (to some degree) - I prefer gals natural..in all respects...but like Accel said sometimes dressing up nice and such is a good/fun thing...son't blame anyone for diliking whearing heels though...though I for one love the look...yum yum! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted November 11, 2003 Report Share Posted November 11, 2003 ...though I for one love the look...yum yum! Yeah, but I just don't understand what it is behind those works there that makes it "attractive"... Hence I shall not be a toy to it! It's so silly, like shoving a piece of chalk up your nose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted November 11, 2003 Report Share Posted November 11, 2003 Yeah, but I just don't understand what it is behind those works there that makes it "attractive"... Hence I shall not be a toy to it! It's so silly, like shoving a piece of chalk up your nose. Sure I agree...and can't really say - but it certainly does the trick for me! LOL (So I really can't complain...only sympathyze with the gals who wear such)..and if its not for you (or others) thats OK too...less is often better/best IMO! ...I must say though - and I'm sure most guys would agree - the old high heels and bikini look is just to die for! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted November 11, 2003 Report Share Posted November 11, 2003 the old high heels and bikini look is just to die for! Â Â Â and older you get better they look ah Thoth? hate make ups, specialy lipstick!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted November 11, 2003 Report Share Posted November 11, 2003 Time & place for everything - even heels and makeup, yes. Dress for the occasion. Im sorry, but if I go into a meeting with the VPs and I'm resposible for explaining the roll-out of the new intranet or whatever, I have to play the part - pressed suit, nice shoes, clean cut, fashionalbe & professional. If I don't, tham it's one more obstacle I have to overcome in an already stressful situation. The same applies to women AND men - it just manifests itself in different ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted November 11, 2003 Report Share Posted November 11, 2003 Vava, what you are talking about is presentability, which is an [almost] entirely other issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted November 11, 2003 Report Share Posted November 11, 2003 I think they're closely related - who's to say what is presentable and what is not? Some may say (especially in professsional circles) that a woman executive who is not wearing any makeup is NOT presentable. (Please keep in mind that I am not a proponent of makeup necessarily, and I'm certainly not referring to gaudy overly-made-up for the evening) Â The issue here is that the image that Women feel they must conform to, (ie. what is considered 'presentable') perhaps MAY, in some extreme cases, be physically damaging. Whereas shaving and wearing a suit has never harmed a man, (unless you're a lawyer ). In these cases, I strongly feel that the individual woman in question must examine what is more important - conforming to a desired image, or health/comfort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted November 12, 2003 Report Share Posted November 12, 2003 Yah bruin, I totally agree with you that ancient history about the poster is irrelevant. Don't feel bad about what was said. You are entitled to have an opinion on this subject just like everyone else.  ... and I don't think you are on a different planet ... it's just that some people may have known that thorny guy so they have more inside info about the post than you. You are such a kiss ass Sip. Are you in Management by any chance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted November 12, 2003 Report Share Posted November 12, 2003 I think some people have an unfair advantag over other members about knowing what has been and is going on ... which is ok up until they start badgering the other members with the information that the members wouldn't have a way of knowing or would have tough time finding. Oh, an no, not a full manager yet .. just a manager in training Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted November 12, 2003 Report Share Posted November 12, 2003 I was just kidding dude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted November 12, 2003 Report Share Posted November 12, 2003 I was just kidding dude.Note the edit ... I realized I was sounding a bit too serious That one's for you since I know you graduated a LONG time ago (didn't you post that ?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyebruin Posted November 12, 2003 Report Share Posted November 12, 2003 Oh, an no, not a full manager yet .. just a manager in training  at first i thought those were hot potatos or a big double pie!!,(i was thinking what are they cooking? thought they were blowing on it to cool it down! ) then noticing they're all guys, thought they were boobs,....THEN!!! i finally got it!!! ---it's been a sloooooooooooooooooooooooow day!!! needless to say!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted November 12, 2003 Report Share Posted November 12, 2003 I think they're closely related - who's to say what is presentable and what is not? Some may say (especially in professsional circles) that a woman executive who is not wearing any makeup is NOT presentable. (Please keep in mind that I am not a proponent of makeup necessarily, and I'm certainly not referring to gaudy overly-made-up for the evening) Â The issue here is that the image that Women feel they must conform to, (ie. what is considered 'presentable') perhaps MAY, in some extreme cases, be physically damaging. Whereas shaving and wearing a suit has never harmed a man, (unless you're a lawyer ). In these cases, I strongly feel that the individual woman in question must examine what is more important - conforming to a desired image, or health/comfort. Even then, if Hindus can attend occasions with their turbans and Africans with their long gowns for the sake of cultural tolerance or something, a female may as well choose not to put on make-up or wear high heels. That doesn't mean that they can wear sneakers, but... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted November 12, 2003 Report Share Posted November 12, 2003 Sure they CAN wear what they want, at the risk of compromising their professionalism/social status. And the gowns are called Mu-Mus, i think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted November 12, 2003 Report Share Posted November 12, 2003 (edited) LOL - well I have frequently had an issue in my work experience where I tend to dress more casually then is normally accepted in some cases etc. Specifically I hate wearing ties...and also am not much for shoes (work type in particular) (and I rarely wear any make - up ! LOL). I also sometimes wear hawian shirts, phillipino type shirts, guavera shirtes etc...wear the normal mode of dress is suit & tie..LOL (and have been doing this nearly my entire [long] career. F - em I say... I have several tie instances that I could tell about. One time (a while back) I had this fairly attractive lady supervisor (who tended to wear pretty revealing/risque/non-traditional outfits...very nice of course...but..) - well she felt that I wasn't dressing up to the standard or such - and specifically didn't like the fact that I wore some unusual ties & such (when i wore one at all...). So one day I brought every tie I owned into the office as well as some shirts and told her to pick out what she wanted me to wear!/what would be acceptable to her LOL (I though it was pretty funny). (I also suggested that she could shop for me if it was such a big issue for her...) Well for some reason she still had an issue (maybe I played around a bit with the combinations I don't know...LOL) so I basically complained above her level about her outfits - that I found them unacceptable - or at least questionable - if anyone (her) was questioning my appearence...and I even turned it into an EEO type of complaint (as she had mentioned my appearence in my rating) - comparing inconsitancies in (not formally stated) standards for dress between men and women with racial, sexaul and other types of discrimination (even bearded versus unbeared etc - biases against such - and how there is no bearing on performance etc etc)...well everything ended up getting dropped pretty quickly and folks left me alone - LOL (not the first or last time that my supervisors learned not to mess with me...LOL) I've also sometimes been known to wear sandals into work (in part/primarily because of an injury where I had surgery...etc...but of course a good excuse...wore them for months and months after...) - and this certainly didn't go over well either. I actually go without a tie more often then I wear one (prompting me to ask folks on halloween if they noticed my "costume" - ie - tie on...etc)...am wearing one today - why - i don't know...but got to keep em off balance sometimes I guess.. Edited November 12, 2003 by THOTH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExtraHye Posted November 12, 2003 Report Share Posted November 12, 2003 It all depends on what type of environment your working in. Some employers require there employees to dress professional and some casual. Â So I belive it's very important for coworkers to dress properly to work. If the job environment requirers you to dress professionally, then you need to oblige to there rules. The same goes to dressing casual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted November 12, 2003 Report Share Posted November 12, 2003 Well Extra I do hear you...but I'm just different I guess. Sure I put on the suit and tie for certain functions/meetings and what have you (as needed)...but often there is this requirement to always be dressed as such when all one is doing is working at their desk or with folks where it shouldn't matter - at least that's how I see it. And I've worked in a Suit & Tie type of environment since I was 18...but have always felt that much of it was silly..so perhaps by 21-22 began to make my own rules and dress "professionally" only/primarily when there was a reason for it etc. Definatly it freaked my bosses & such out - but unless they could give me a complelling reason I pretty much always told them to stuff it (luckily I've always been a valued employee...LOL)Â But my defiance in this regard is also part of a long tradition of mine. For instance in High School i went through a period where i refused to wear shoes (I perfer barefoot whenever possible..or nearly so...I've been on many a vacation where all I take is a pair of sandals - even once for a winter vacation to Europe!...and I always manage...everyone thought I was a German - wearing my Birkenstocks with socks - LOL). Anyway - you can imagine the flack I had to put up with at school (sure send me home what do I care! etc)...also had this problem with going to restaurants..."I've been thrown out of better places then this was a frequent line uttered" LOLÂ I'm just a troublemaker/problem case...what can I say...I know it...LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExtraHye Posted November 12, 2003 Report Share Posted November 12, 2003 Well, Thoth, if you could get away with it, more power to you.  But it all depends on the work environment, for example. I used to work at a company where we got unexpected visitors from very important people. So we had to look our best at all the times. Did they specify what the dress code was during the interview? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accelerated Posted November 12, 2003 Report Share Posted November 12, 2003 (edited) LOL - Winston, your a yobbo! When we were goen to Armenia this year, our first flight on route was Sydney to Brisbane (a bit over 1 hour). It was about 8 in the morning and we were waiting in the departing lounge when a family (parents + few kids) came in, most wearing robes and were barefoot, looked like they had just stepped out of the shower (and about to board a plane), even their hair still looked wet etc.... Edited November 12, 2003 by Accelerated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted November 12, 2003 Report Share Posted November 12, 2003 Accel - sorry but don't know what a yobbo is... And no - there is no formal dress policy that i know of..hey I'm ussually OK/not so bad..but definalty not a suit & tie guy whenever i can avoid it...and sometimes I go quite a bit more casual...which is just unexpected...but I can sometimes go an entire day without hardly even seeing anyone...or with just seeing folks that are working for me (so who am I impressing anyway - etc) - but yeah - if the situation warrents - I dress the part (I just hate it thats all...LOL) And yeah on occasion I've been dressed down when i shouldn't have been - surprised visitor or an unexpected meeting comes up..but whats the big deal about wearing a tie anyway...LOL..I've never figured it out... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accelerated Posted November 12, 2003 Report Share Posted November 12, 2003 yobbo - aussie slang for carefree people (not weating shoes - LOL) who also like to get drunk.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted November 12, 2003 Report Share Posted November 12, 2003 Oh yeah - in many ways I guess it fits LOL...though you were saying/implying something else - and i was thinking too bad ticket prices to Australia are so high - cause i'd be comming down there to kick your A S S ! LOL ...so your gettin off light (this time)...LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accelerated Posted November 13, 2003 Report Share Posted November 13, 2003 cause i'd be comming down there to kick your A S S ! yeaaa!!?? well....im tellin MY dad, and then we'll see whose gonna kick whose A$$! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyebruin Posted November 13, 2003 Report Share Posted November 13, 2003 CAN I WATCH???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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