Guest Posted November 6, 2000 Report Share Posted November 6, 2000 Who invented how to make bread? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 6, 2000 Report Share Posted November 6, 2000 quote:Originally posted by Berj:Who invented how to make bread?The same entities that invented the gun--humans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 6, 2000 Report Share Posted November 6, 2000 Mike, Gun was invented very easily. People saw that cotton burns fast and the process went on. But who and how guessed to mill the wheat corn? [This message has been edited by Berj (edited November 06, 2000).] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 6, 2000 Report Share Posted November 6, 2000 Most major discoveries happen by accident, Armen. Come now, you're capable of higher forms of thinking than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 6, 2000 Report Share Posted November 6, 2000 Who invented God? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 6, 2000 Report Share Posted November 6, 2000 quote:Originally posted by Gayane:Most major discoveries happen by accident, Armen. Come now, you're capable of higher forms of thinking than that.Gayane jan,Describe me that accident with bread, please.And remember that every great thought is simple.Armen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 6, 2000 Report Share Posted November 6, 2000 quote:Originally posted by Pilafhead:Who invented God? Material thinking is unable to answer the edge questions of universe. You must use something other than your brain. And firstly, you must find that something. God is like thought: self-conscious. It invented itself as the thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 7, 2000 Report Share Posted November 7, 2000 From the beginning was the word, the word was with God and the word was God. This reffers to the infinity, it is something spiritual. our human rationality is bound with time and space, so we are not able to think in infinity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 7, 2000 Report Share Posted November 7, 2000 Qustions such as who invented Universe and what is Universe? can drive you crazy. If you think this way, nothing can apper by itself, some one has to ctreate it, then you think then who ctreated the Universe, and at the end you can't find an answer, and end up with GOD is the one. And again, who created God etc. etc... And if you take too serious you'll end up in hospital for psychos : ))So, don't even think about it, live your life :: )) AA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 7, 2000 Report Share Posted November 7, 2000 It cannot be proved (or disproved for that matter). At some point in the thought process, you have to say "God Exists" based strictly on faith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 8, 2000 Report Share Posted November 8, 2000 I don't know Berj, bread? What were you thinking? I always go back to the classic watchmaker analogy. We look at a watch (or computer, etc.) and we logically conclude that there was an intelligence that composed it. So are we to then look at this universe that is infinitely more complex than any computer (think of all the designs, laws of physics, mathematics, gravity, alignment of the planets etc.) and conclude it came about by chance only? Well, I can't! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 9, 2000 Report Share Posted November 9, 2000 armen jan, even I'm not that creative so as to describe the accident by which bread making was discovered...lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 10, 2000 Report Share Posted November 10, 2000 I just remembered the chinese haven't bread, instead they eat rice at the breakfast. Has got forgot about 1,2 milliard people? I really think that God exist, but I am not too dogmatic in the religious matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 10, 2000 Report Share Posted November 10, 2000 Iranyar joon,They eat rice always, not only at breakfast. You can't be too dogmatic in religious matters. Faith is a dogma. It's either "there is a god" or "there isn't a god". You can't use a diplomatic formulation. Can you say to an atheist:"I believe in god, but I also understand your position". The invention of rice as main food is as complex as the invention of bread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 10, 2000 Report Share Posted November 10, 2000 quote:Originally posted by Gayane:armen jan, even I'm not that creative so as to describe the accident by which bread making was discovered...lolWell, actually nobody is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 10, 2000 Report Share Posted November 10, 2000 Armen what time is it now in Armenia? I think 6 or 7 O'clock right? Man at this time I allways sleep. I agree with you you can't be and Atheist and believer, but if you place the divine issues in a spiritual view and not a traditionalist view, you rae more open minded to anothers people believes, than if you dogmaticly believe your view on the religions are right and the others'wrong. By dogma I meant that [This message has been edited by Iranyar (edited November 09, 2000).] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 10, 2000 Report Share Posted November 10, 2000 quote:Originally posted by Pilafhead:It cannot be proved (or disproved for that matter). At some point in the thought process, you have to say "God Exists" based strictly on faith.You can't prove or disaprove it using mental power beacuse it's limited. Someone has limited it. Brain is made from materia. You can't understand what has created the materia using materia, beacuse materia is subject to what has created it. The last point in thought chain is when you start thinking about your own thought. That is the edge of the brain power. The thing is that you must go ahead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 10, 2000 Report Share Posted November 10, 2000 quote:Originally posted by Iranyar:I agree with you you can't be and Atheist and believer, but if you place the divine issues in a spiritual view and not a traditionalist view, you rae more open minded to anothers people believes, than if you dogmaticly believe your view on the religions are right and the others'wrong. By dogma I meant that [This message has been edited by Iranyar (edited November 09, 2000).]It's 8:20. I'm not talking about religions man. Our discussion is abouve religions, it's about the God. Name the God as you wish to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 10, 2000 Report Share Posted November 10, 2000 I was thinking about the question who Invented the God? Actually it is a nonsense question. He is the creator. it can't be both created one and creator. Our logic consequence of One created another can't be used here. Even (if i am right) greek philosofer Aristotel, accepted that chain of creation (one created by another one, this one by another etc.), has to have an end at the end. Something that is not created or invented by someone, and that can't be explained by our logical rules. And that is what we call GOD. AA [This message has been edited by Artur (edited November 09, 2000).] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 10, 2000 Report Share Posted November 10, 2000 quote:Originally posted by Berj: It's 8:20. I'm not talking about religions man. Our discussion is abouve religions, it's about the God. Name the God as you wish to.I agree with you, I also suggested that it is above religions, it is a matter of spirituality, the human rationality is bound with the time and space, we are not able to give answer to the spirituality, using our human rationality. Spiiritualitis dimensions are infinitive, as I gave the example from the evangelie of Johannes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 11, 2000 Report Share Posted November 11, 2000 quote:Originally posted by Artur:I was thinking about the question who Invented God?What I meant by that was the possibility humans invented God.Whether people believe or not, if everyone lived by the New Testament, this world would be a better place. Somehow, humans have been killing each other over Jesus' message of love for centuries.[This message has been edited by Pilafhead (edited November 10, 2000).] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 13, 2000 Report Share Posted November 13, 2000 quote:Originally posted by Iranyar: I agree with you, I also suggested that it is above religions, it is a matter of spirituality, the human rationality is bound with the time and space, we are not able to give answer to the spirituality, using our human rationality. Spiiritualitis dimensions are infinitive, as I gave the example from the evangelie of Johannes."From the beginning was the word, the word was with God and the word was God". Iranyar joon,There is a very interesting difference in the Armenian and Greek traslations of this passage compared to English and all the other languages.In Armenian "the word" is translated as "ban", and it's not meaning "word". It is something more sensible than "word". To give you the meaning of its Armenian traslation I'll have to combine "thing-word-eternity-work-activity-it". And in Armenian it doesn't sound indefinite. In Greek too, they use "logos" for translation. I don't know how is it in Jewish, but English sounds poor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 13, 2000 Report Share Posted November 13, 2000 quote:Originally posted by Pilafhead: What I meant by that was the possibility humans invented God.[This message has been edited by Pilafhead (edited November 10, 2000).]Mike, you may very well be correct in saying that people have invented the concept of the God. But it still doesn't imply that God doesn't exist regardless of people's inventions.Berj, I would also add another meaning to the word "bun" - thought.P.S. That's where the word "banakanutiun" in Armenian comes from, I think.[This message has been edited by MJ (edited November 13, 2000).] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 13, 2000 Report Share Posted November 13, 2000 quote:Originally posted by Pilafhead: What I meant by that was the possibility humans invented God.Whether people believe or not, if everyone lived by the New Testament, this world would be a better place. Somehow, humans have been killing each other over Jesus' message of love for centuries.[This message has been edited by Pilafhead (edited November 10, 2000).]Mike,I have a question for you. What would have happened if the whole world would have lived by New Testament? Please, imagine that for some minutes. Than tell yourself what would have been missing from our life.P.S. I'm not insane and we're not meditating online But really, let's see what a mathematician will answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 13, 2000 Report Share Posted November 13, 2000 Thank you MJ, I somehow forgot "thought" in "bun"-s meaning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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