TurkeyGuilty Posted June 20, 2001 Report Share Posted June 20, 2001 Hello Everyone! First, let me say what an honor it is to be part of such an illustrious group of Armenians. I have been reading the discussions on this forum for a few months, and I hope to contribute now. ~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~* There are so many distinctions between Armenians, and each person has his or her own list of priorities or things he or she considers to be "fundamental," be it dialect, politics, etc. I originally wanted to post this question in the romance category, but then I realized the issue does not stem from the "relationship," rather the implications made upon it by the Armenian Church. Is it possible, ethical, or logical for two people whose families are 'divided' between the two Sees of the Church to date, get married, have children, baptize children.... Help?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJ Posted June 21, 2001 Report Share Posted June 21, 2001 Gayane, where are you? There is a question for you, here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raffiaharonian Posted June 21, 2001 Report Share Posted June 21, 2001 It is possible to get in love with a non-christian person and end up getting married!So why should there be any problem in being with an Armenian of whatever religion/sect/political affiliation/etc.etc. these things belong to the distant past and should not even be considered a real question or dilema. The real question lies with your ability to create a happy family and secondly (if you wish)an Armenian environment and upringing for your children.The rest is even a SHAME to talk about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurkeyGuilty Posted June 21, 2001 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2001 I think you misunderstood my question (or I did not explicity say what I intended). I didn't express a personal bias, I hope you didn't infer one. But, these things (especially in Los Angeles) are not of the distant past and are very divisive. They cause tension within the "happy family" one is trying to establish, because the parents and extended families are displeased. They divide two people who are supposed to be "one." It might sound very Shakesperean, a la Romeo and Juliet, but I still think it is a valid issue. The reason I posted the question under this category was to find out whether the Armenian Church had any rules about this sort of marriage. There are other rules, and I was merely concerned that this could be one of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilafhead Posted June 21, 2001 Report Share Posted June 21, 2001 It's probably something old-fashioned like, the husband's faith governs. I can see it though causing strife in a family. My Jesus is better than your Jesus. NO, my Jesus is better than yours. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurkeyGuilty Posted June 21, 2001 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2001 Hi Aghmug, Not just that, but also where the couple would be married (Ferrahian vs. St. Peters for example), who would perform the ceremony, etc. Moreover, the two churches are divided between political lines, wherein people commonly call the Cilicia See the "Tashnag Church." These sort of 'factions' are bound to tear apart a couple. And, I'm still hoping someone can shed light on the Church's official position on these sort of relationships. PS. Are you going to System/Slipknot? [ June 21, 2001: Message edited by: TurkeyGuilty ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilafhead Posted June 22, 2001 Report Share Posted June 22, 2001 quote:Originally posted by TurkeyGuilty:Not just that, but also where the couple would be married (Ferrahian vs. St. Peters for example), who would perform the ceremony, etc.Had an old relationship worked out, I would have faced that exact dilemma--even the two churches you mentioned!!! Coincidentally funny. Yeah, I want to go see System (and I like Slipknot, too). I try not to miss any System shows, but if it's a festival-type deal I may skip it. WAY too old to deal with an Ozzfest-type crowd. Easily old enough to be alot of those kids' dad. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurkeyGuilty Posted June 22, 2001 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2001 That is quite a coincidence If you don't mind my asking: had the relationship worked out, what would you have done? What kind of concessions would you or your bride have made for each other, or for the sake of the families involved? I think this show has to be indoors, and I foresee it to be at the Palladium. I used to work for their management company, and I know the boyz; I'll find out and post the info on the board. Slipknot is a very interesting band. I absolutely love their drums, especially the double-bass. The one thing that would make this show complete is if Linkin Park was support. I went to Ozzfest in '99 when System was there. Tashkhala, sunburn, dehydration. But, the line-up made up for it. 36? Dad of a 16 year old? Did you really want to have kids at 20? Well, dzerouni, will I be seeing you in the mosh pit? Because I, for one, cannot stand still at a System concert. JENNY [ June 22, 2001: Message edited by: TurkeyGuilty ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilafhead Posted June 23, 2001 Report Share Posted June 23, 2001 quote:Originally posted by TurkeyGuilty:If you don't mind my asking: had the relationship worked out, what would you have done? What kind of concessions would you or your bride have made for each other, or for the sake of the families involved?I can't say why, but there would have only been one solution. quote:Originally posted by TurkeyGuilty:I think this show has to be indoors, and I foresee it to be at the Palladium. I used to work for their management company, and I know the boyz; I'll find out and post the info on the board.Really, you used to work for their management co??? That's SO cool. I've been pretty jaded on new music for a long time, and IMHO they are the most important to band to come round in ages.The Palladium would be tolerable compared to an outdoor deal, but I really don't like the Palladium either. I've seen some great shows there though. One of the greatest (and scariest crowd) was Slayer on the Reign In Blood tour. The main thing I don't like about the Palladium is the place just has bad sound. quote:Originally posted by TurkeyGuilty:Slipknot is a very interesting band. I absolutely love their drums, especially the double-bass.Yeah, "interesting" is a good word. The percussion is their strong point--I think they have three people playing drums/percussion. quote:Originally posted by TurkeyGuilty:36? Dad of a 16 year old? Did you really want to have kids at 20? 36 is right! No, not a dad of a 16 year old (just a 5 year old). Didn't think when I was 16 slamming at Black Flag shows I'd still be attending this kind of stuff 20 years later!MikeEl Viejo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurkeyGuilty Posted June 26, 2001 Author Report Share Posted June 26, 2001 I wish I could know what that one solution was. My mom was recounting how there were 7 priests at her wedding (from the two Sees and even "poghokagan" I believe). Tashkhala! Working for their management was an experience. It was being with them on the first leg of their Slayer/Clutch tour that was "cool," to say the least. That was one of the most memorable times of my life, and very inspirational. Their music is innovative and unique, and each song has a singular guitar riff that makes it very "catchy" and hypnotic. You're right about Slayer shows, they are very scary. Thank God that I was either on stage or very close to the security guards for those shows, because I wasn't the pro-mosher then, that I am now. I'm really looking forward to them playing with Slipknot!! There's not enough of those smily-faces to express my excitement. You have a 5 year old? How adorable! I absolutely love kids, and I can't wait to have some of my own. What is his/her name? JENNY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilafhead Posted June 28, 2001 Report Share Posted June 28, 2001 quote:Originally posted by TurkeyGuilty:I wish I could know what that one solution was. One of our families is synonymous with one of those churches. That's why the solution would have been easy (although the relationship was simply a wild whirlwind that never got anywhere near that issue!). quote:Originally posted by TurkeyGuilty:You have a 5 year old? How adorable! I absolutely love kids, and I can't wait to have some of my own. What is his/her name?Brady (as in Bunch!). Although he's already hating being called The Brady Bunch.So what do you do now?Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurkeyGuilty Posted June 28, 2001 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2001 I'll be starting graduate school at USC Annenberg School of Journalism (emphasis in Print) in August. I work for the City of Los Angeles, at the Commission for Children, Youth, and their Families in the Journalism and PR department. I'm also very active (read: too active ) in the Armenian community. Brady That's a very unique name. How did you come up with it. JENNY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurkeyGuilty Posted June 29, 2001 Author Report Share Posted June 29, 2001 I've been writing, editorially and creatively, since I was thirteen. I'm going to focus on Print Journalism, but I'm not sure where I would like to work in the future. I have a lot of different interests--music, politics, culture. I think I may end up working at a paper like New Times or LA Weekly? Armenian activities, prepare yourself: Armenian National Committee; AYF; Managing Editor for Usanogh, the Periodical of Armenian Students; Homenetmen, athlete and coach, former advisor of Western Region PR Committee; ASA wherein I was advisor and PR chair at GCC, Social Director and Genocide Committee member at UCLA, and now the Chair of the Genocide and Cultural Committee at USC; News Editor/March Coordinator of the United Armenian Students, who organized the demonstration in Little Armenia; I was the Associate Editor of Asbarez for a few months, and have been a correspondent for almost six years; I sing at the Ferrahian church. I can't think of anything else off-hand I try my best to make it to the conferences, but there's always a conflict. Who is your cousin? Harout Semerjian? Brady Bunch is a cool show, and has always made me laugh. I always related to Jan the most...Go figure. JENNY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilafhead Posted June 30, 2001 Report Share Posted June 30, 2001 USC Graduate school? Great! What do you want to do? What do you do in the local Armenian community? Do you ever attend the UCLA conferences? My cousin is somewhat involved with those. I had a friend in college named Brady, which I thought was a cool name, and my wife and I both loved The Brady Bunch as kids (still do ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilafhead Posted June 30, 2001 Report Share Posted June 30, 2001 Man, you are one busy pup! That's great though! Do you happen to know the Manjikian family? My cousin that is involved somewhat with the UCLA conferences is Jeanne Murachanian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurkeyGuilty Posted July 2, 2001 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2001 I may know them (my friends would be aghast right now that there could possibly be one Armenian that I don't know). Unfortunately, your cousin is unfamiliar, as well. So, what do you do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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