Azat Posted February 18, 2001 Report Share Posted February 18, 2001 How many of us knew or even imagined that the best known Madam in Istanbul was Armenian. I can't say that I am proud of this fact, but the story is very interesting and she sounded like a very nice lady. Here is the link. http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/.../021800572.html [ February 18, 2001: Message edited by: Azat ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gayane Posted February 18, 2001 Report Share Posted February 18, 2001 Looks like there's a job opening in Istanbul. Sounds great...as far away from everything as I had hoped...lol...I think I'll apply lol...I'm just waiting for Artur to come on and say "are you serious??????".... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJ Posted February 18, 2001 Report Share Posted February 18, 2001 I recall reading some details of her story many years ago. As much as many might be tempted to thing that she might've once been a prostitute herself, that would be a wrong proposition. She has maintained that she has never had anything to do with it personally . It just has been a business. She has lost her husband at a very young age. She has worked in an alteration manufacturing facility at the time. The owner of the facility has owned her money. He has not been able to pay her cash, and instead has surrendered to her one of the brothels belonging to him. Manokyan has turned to be savvy businesswomen, and has turned that small business into an empire. She has maintained a position of a devoted Turkish citizen throughout her life. I would imagine that she has hold in her hands many secrets of high profile officials, and has been a very powerful figure in Turkey. [ February 18, 2001: Message edited by: MJ ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigrannesIII Posted February 19, 2001 Report Share Posted February 19, 2001 I'm pretty disgusted that an Armenian was a pimp. But, she did pimp out Turks, so I guess there's something to laugh about [ February 18, 2001: Message edited by: TigrannesIII ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJ Posted February 19, 2001 Report Share Posted February 19, 2001 Give it up, Rich... There are all kinds of Armenians doing all kinds of things. When are we going to understand that Armenians don't live in Heaven, and they do all the Earthly things? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artur Posted February 19, 2001 Report Share Posted February 19, 2001 quote:Originally posted by Gayane:lol...I'm just waiting for Artur to come on and say "are you serious??????".... no comments :)Bu i've got to say i do agree with Tigran... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigrannesIII Posted February 19, 2001 Report Share Posted February 19, 2001 quote:Originally posted by MJ:Give it up, Rich...There are all kinds of Armenians doing all kinds of things. When are we going to understand that Armenians don't live in Heaven, and they do all the Earthly things?Think I don't know that? Can't I be disgusted that a countrywoman made a living out of a sick trade? Or is that too conservative for you?[ February 18, 2001: Message edited by: TigrannesIII ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilafhead Posted February 19, 2001 Report Share Posted February 19, 2001 Driving today, the top stories on a local news radio were in this order: 1) The controversy regarding Clinton's pardon of Marc Rich 2) Armenian madam who amassed lots of property in Turkey has died 3) US bombing of Iraq THE NUMBER TWO TOP STORY IN LOS ANGELES & THE WORLD??? My wife and I said, "What the hell was that all about?" If you ask me, it was thinly-veiled anti-Armenian propaganda. Why and how else would news wire services get this story from Istanbul? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJ Posted February 19, 2001 Report Share Posted February 19, 2001 You can not possible be too conservative for me. But you may be more or less wise... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilafhead Posted February 19, 2001 Report Share Posted February 19, 2001 This must be a Diasporan thing, because I too was raised believing Armenians were "Heavenly." Somehow, we were a cut above the rest. Also, that all Armenians share a bond. Realizing these are not true has been the downside of living in Glendale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazza Posted February 19, 2001 Report Share Posted February 19, 2001 quote:Originally posted by TigrannesIII: But, she did pimp out Turks, so I guess there's something to laugh about [ February 18, 2001: Message edited by: TigrannesIII ]You know, mabye that's a good point. Perhaps you are joking but a way of seeing it is perhaps her family suffered alot with turks and perhaps it was a way of getting her own back, pimping out turks all her life. Getting young turkish girls in that way of life. Once you are in it is very , very difficult to get out. The notorious K-A-Z-Z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
levonyeshilian Posted February 19, 2001 Report Share Posted February 19, 2001 It ain't fun.....she's been arrested several times for the girls under 18 working for her....I was really shamed of her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted February 19, 2001 Report Share Posted February 19, 2001 ok ok ok the only way we will ever know the truth , if we send Levon to this place , than he can report to us whan his backwho works in this place , haw old , ETC,, Levon jan get us some inside staf...ya befor i forget , The Armeicum is not 100% yet , so dont do no ~~~~~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nané Posted February 20, 2001 Report Share Posted February 20, 2001 quote:Originally posted by TigrannesIII:I'm pretty disgusted that an Armenian was a pimp. But, she did pimp out Turks, so I guess there's something to laugh about You can be disgusted all you want. Armenians are not saints (not even close) By the way, I am pretty sure she did not ONLY pimp out Turks ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoC Posted February 20, 2001 Report Share Posted February 20, 2001 I agree with Sulamita...If the odds favored the existence of an armenian pimp, who's to say she didn't have any armenian prostitutes...And to say that it was justified b/c she was "pimping out" turks makes me sick. The fact that she was enlisting girls under 18 is really sick, regardless of whether they were turkish or armenian. These were human beings for christ's sake!! the DoC (aka, your local armenian ho) ;p-----------------------------------------"Patriotism is a virtue of the vicious"Oscar Wilde Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
levonyeshilian Posted February 20, 2001 Report Share Posted February 20, 2001 MosJan, Sorry,i can't step close to any of her houses. You guys may be proud of an Armenian pimp selling Turkish teenager girls,but remember there are thousands of prostitutes in Turkey from ex-Soviet Republics.....I'm sure there are a few from ........ too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surorus Posted February 20, 2001 Report Share Posted February 20, 2001 Levon, It seems to me that prostitution is wide spread in Turkey. How do regular Turkish population react to it? Is it something casual to them? Or are they disgusted? Where is a demand there is a supply, how do Turkish mothers, wifes, and daughters react to prostitution? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
levonyeshilian Posted February 20, 2001 Report Share Posted February 20, 2001 Surorus, I started to get defending Turkey(and i don't like it),but prostitution's like a plague after Soviet Union all over the world.There's no difference,here,on Turkey.. There are many ex-soviet women coming to Turkey for business,they usually come here with a few hundred dollars,buy some cheap clothes to sell in their own country. Also there are many thousands of prostitutes in Istanbul,and the Northern Anatolia.But not only in Turkey,i'm sure there are many in USA too,with a different cost. Surorus,prostitution isn't casual in any country,nation or culture.The reason there are many Russians in Turkey is,because here's close to Russia,easy to take a visa and cheap in all prices and as i've told before they buy goods by the money they earn to sell in their own country.Turkey can't stop this illegality as USA can't stop Mexicans to cross the border. The mothers,wives,daughters are disgusted but who asks them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoC Posted February 20, 2001 Report Share Posted February 20, 2001 From Global Survival Network Egypt police crack down on foreign prostitute ring CAIRO, Oct 20 (Reuters) - Egyptian police said on Tuesday they had arrested 17 foreign women and two men for operating a prostitution ring and using the Islamic veil to avoid suspicion. Police said the women from Ukraine, Armenia and Russia had been working in Cairo and the Red Sea resorts of Hurghada and Sharm al-Sheikh for the past three months. The ring's leaders, a Ukrainian and an Armenian, were helped by two Egyptian millionaires who own tourism companies, the police said. They said the women covered their bodies from head to foot in Islamic garb to evade police surveillance. http://www.friends-partners.org/partners/s.../1998/0255.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surorus Posted February 21, 2001 Report Share Posted February 21, 2001 quote:Originally posted by levonyeshilian:The mothers,wives,daughters are disgusted but who asks them!Levon,I understand what you are saying. However, in Turkey must be a great demand for prostution in order for Russian and Eeast Europian prostitutes to pour in into the country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted February 21, 2001 Report Share Posted February 21, 2001 http://www.latimes.com/photos/20010221/g8z1oike.gif Wednesday, February 21, 2001 | Print this story Matild Manukyan; Turkish Brothels Made Her Wealthy By AMBERIN ZAMAN, Special to The Times ANKARA, Turkey--Matild Manukyan, the queen of Turkish brothels and one of the country's wealthiest women, died of heart failure Saturday in her palatial Istanbul apartment. She was 84. Descended from an aristocratic Armenian family, Manukyan attended Istanbul's posh Notre Dame de Sion school, run by French nuns, before launching her first career as a haute couture seamstress for the city's Westernized high society. When a customer offered her one of his brothels to settle an unpaid debt, Manukyan found herself in the murky world of prostitution, which is a legal business in Turkey as long as it is carried out in brothels registered with local governments. A shrewd businesswoman, she proved tougher than her all-male competitors, building up a chain of 32 brothels. During an interview in 1994, she said she prided herself on having "the healthiest, best behaved and most beautiful girls in all Istanbul." So great was her fortune that in the early 1990s she was Istanbul's top taxpayer for five years running. Her fiscal probity earned her considerable official praise. Framed letters from Turkey's top politicians, including the late President Turgut Ozal, thanking her for her sense of civic duty, adorned the walls of her home. The onetime beauty was widely hailed for her philanthropy. She donated tens of thousands of dollars from her multimillion-dollar fortune to hospitals and other charities. Eventually, she became an establishment figure in this predominantly Muslim country. But her vast wealth, which she invested in real estate, made her prey to gangsters operating protection rackets in Istanbul. They are believed to have been responsible for a car bomb attack in 1995 in which Manukyan nearly died. She had to be operated on 12 times and never fully recovered from her injuries. In 1996, Manukyan fell from public grace when she was detained for employing underage girls in her parlors. That year she also announced she had converted to Islam, and she provoked public furor by seeking permission to build a mosque. Turkey's government-appointed top cleric, Mehmet Nuri Yilmaz, sided with Manukyan, citing an edict from the prophet Muhammad that anyone who declares himself Muslim is purged of all previous sins. Therefore, he argued, it was all right for her to use her earnings to put up a place of worship. Manukyan is survived by a son, Kerope Cilingir. [ February 21, 2001: Message edited by: MosJan ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surorus Posted February 21, 2001 Report Share Posted February 21, 2001 quote:Originally posted by bellthecat:They are there because they can enter Turkey easily, Turkey is a rich and economically developed country, travel is easy, and Turkish currency is easily exchanged for dollars. Bellthecat,Did you read the latest news on Turkeys econotmy?Follow the link:Turkish markets rock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
levonyeshilian Posted February 21, 2001 Report Share Posted February 21, 2001 Steve, Here i stand to defend Turks again(grrrrr). First of all you're right about the traditonal position of women.If the woman you marry isn't virgin(but you didn't know it) most of the men divorce and many of them kill!!!Sex is a great taboo for about maybe 80 percent of the population.And many man and women marry with the people they don't know just because their family want them to... As i've written above they can't stop prostitution because many of Russians just come here for trade..But the others are doctors,lawyers,teachers in their country and stays here for a short period.They gain the money they earn in Russia for one month in a few hours here.It's impossible to understand looking at their faces and forbidding them to enter the country.If so there are many ways to enter the country illegally. But i don't agree(maybe some fascists believe so) that Turks are proud to see children of Russian Empire as prostitudes.If you compare a Turkish women with a Russian,Russians look like angels near an ordinary Turkish woman. I'm really to sad to see those beautiful,educated,cultured women in that situation for a few dollars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellthecat Posted February 22, 2001 Report Share Posted February 22, 2001 quote:Originally posted by surorus:Levon,It seems to me that prostitution is wide spread in Turkey. How do regular Turkish population react to it? Is it something casual to them? Or are they disgusted? Where is a demand there is a supply, how do Turkish mothers, wifes, and daughters react to prostitution?From what I have seen (I stress the word seen!) - small scale prostitution is not that widespread in all parts of Turkey. Apart from Istanbul, it is mostly confined to those areas that are close to the border, as the women are in Turkey on short-term visas that only last a couple of weeks. They are there because they can enter Turkey easily, Turkey is a rich and economically developed country, travel is easy, and Turkish currency is easily exchanged for dollars. Turkey could stop them entering the country - there must be political reasons why they want the borders completely open.Since most of the prostitutes are not Turkish it is easy for Turkish society to ignore it. In the early 90s there was also a sort of sadistic streak to Turkey's attitude, a sort of "how nice it is that the once mighty and long feared Russian 'empire' is now so low that they are reduced to sending us their women".Traditionally in Turkey, wives are for bearing children and doing household work - there is not a lot of romance or even sex to be expected in that sort of relationship. So husbands can easily contemplate visiting prostitutes without thinking they are destroying "family life". Those attitudes are probably changing in the bigger cities, but not by much I bet (perhaps that's why young Turkish women always look rather sad). Stevenull Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyecory Posted October 9, 2001 Report Share Posted October 9, 2001 THE TURKISH MADAM WAS ARMENIAN? I DOUGHT ITS TRUE, AFTER ALL A ARMENIAN SCIENTIST WOMAN IS A TURKISH SCIENTIST MAN IN TURKEY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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