THOTH Posted March 21, 2002 Report Share Posted March 21, 2002 I find all of this Armenian reaction to vegetarianism to be very interesting. On one hand I see it too - but on the other it seems to me that Armenians also have a vegetarian tradition. I certainly am aware of (American) Armenian vegetarian cookbooks that date from the 1970s (I believe). Also - today I will attend a local Armenian Lent festival where only non-meat items will be served (and it will be fantastic - I am so looking forward to the feast!) (...funny I origniannly typed "fanatic" versus fantastic....something subliminal going on there perhaps....? Nah - I'm just a lousy typists {and a poor speller} that all [as if you haven't noticed by now....]) [ March 21, 2002, 06:54 AM: Message edited by: THOTH ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyeflyer Posted March 21, 2002 Report Share Posted March 21, 2002 To critisize Anyone for what they do or do not eat is totally ridiculas.I find it strage that most people arnt civilized enough to appreciate having someone to dine with.But then everyone seems to know what is best for someone else,when they dont really know what is best for theirselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted March 21, 2002 Report Share Posted March 21, 2002 quote:Originally posted by hagarag:Yes Harut, to my face and with an indignant look on their faces, close members of my family (interestingly only the conservative Republicans, not the moderate Republicans or the Democrats). They probably own stocks in cattle-ranching or McDonalds instead of Archer-Midland.well, i'm sorry for you and your relatives.i had never heard of so childish people than your relatives. sorry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted March 21, 2002 Report Share Posted March 21, 2002 quote:Originally posted by hasmiek:no, not to me. the only complaint i have is that armenians don't seem to take me seriously. I have way less problems with dutch people. >intersesting tomatoplant research...i will look it up.can you clerify one more thing for me please? what was the reason for you for becoming vegetarian again?because animals are treated horriblly?or because you don't justify them to be killed for human satisfaction? thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hasmiek Posted March 21, 2002 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2002 heya, i became a vegetarian because i am against the bio industry---in which animals are treated horribly. And yes- they sell meat from green farmers, but as i didn' eat meat for so long i don't want to eat it anymore out of respect for all animals. sounds ushimushi, i know, but I guess a better planet environmental wise is what i care for. I am getting in a PhD programm next year for enveronmental fiendly design. It is way less 'glamorous' and 'hip' than the average designoffice workplace, but i just feel the need to do this. just like not eating meat! cheerio!-no, i don't walk around wearing sandals with socks in it, and other stereotipical stuff like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hasmiek Posted March 21, 2002 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2002 no, not to me. the only complaint i have is that armenians don't seem to take me seriously. I have way less problems with dutch people. >intersesting tomatoplant research...i will look it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted March 21, 2002 Report Share Posted March 21, 2002 ushimushi? Is that the technical term? It's great that you have discovered what you really want to do! The main problem is going to be the population size though. We have to start coming up with ways to be extremely efficient if we ever hope to feed this quickly expanding population of the Earth. I somehow don't think 10 billion people can survive on vegatalbes and crops alone. Maybe eating meat is not the best way but I see great value in milk, eggs, and fish. Fish is an amazingly abundant source of protein on earth so at least in the short term (next few hundred years) I think they will be a great source of food. But the ultimate answer to your animal cruelty concerns, in my opinion, is controllig the population size. Otherwise, it is going to be very difficult justifying not hurting cows when millions are hungry ... However, I agree that in the wealthier parts of the world (western Europe, US, ...), you may have a valid point that people should cut back on meat because not too many will go "hungry" if they don't eat meat. I try to eat Tuna once in a while instead of hamburgers and steak... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hasmiek Posted March 22, 2002 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2002 of course you are wright,there are too many people and it's only going to become worse...but I guess -for me- naively trying to create a better planet is the best thing to do! And iven if i don't make a difference (which is probable), at least I tried. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyeflyer Posted March 22, 2002 Report Share Posted March 22, 2002 HasmiekIt is indeed a worthwhile cause trying to better the planet.But the goal should be to preserve to arrible land we have instead of expanding on to it.Also do you garden and if so is it done organicaly?I do and have done so all my lif as did my granfather and father did. I learned by working with them and pass it on to my son.Do you preserve the food you grow? I do and my tershi is to kil for as my friends say.To be a vegaterian is a matter of choice and if you are healthy that is all that matters.But continue to try and make this a better world.One world is got to be big enough for all of us as at this time there is no place else to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hasmiek Posted March 22, 2002 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2002 heya,fanastic that you can grow all your crops organically and that you know how to perseve them. I guess i would try to if I had a garden, but i live in he middle of rotterdam, on the 3rd floor in a tiny appartment...so i guess thats the answer to gardening question...sad isn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted March 22, 2002 Report Share Posted March 22, 2002 quote:Originally posted by highflyer:... We Armenians came from the land ... The land IS our roots very much like the native Americans. It seemes how much is forgotten in two generations.Ok, I'll make a fool of myself and show how little I know about Armenia! From what I have heard, the entire country is very rockey and mountenous so I was under the impression that nothing much would grow there (well, at least nothing like the massive crop fields we see here in the US). So I was wondering, is our roots really from Land? Where did/does the major food sources for Armenia come from? And if it is crops, how much of it is imported? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyeflyer Posted March 23, 2002 Report Share Posted March 23, 2002 AS it stand now Armenia now imports 70% of its food as I see from the stats I have been reading.It also is a problem that for the past 3 generations many left the farm to live and work in the city.That happened under Soviet rule.Isnt it strange the soil was not that rocky and unarible 80 to 100 years ago.Or can it be it is easier to buy it then grow it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyeflyer Posted March 23, 2002 Report Share Posted March 23, 2002 HasmiekYour love for all things natural is admiral, as you live in a high rise. I know you have a window to have a plant in. We Armenians came from the land and in some small way should hold on to that evan if it is only growing house plants very well. The land IS our roots very much like the native Americans. It seemes how much is forgotten in two generations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted March 23, 2002 Report Share Posted March 23, 2002 quote:Originally posted by Sip: quote:Originally posted by highflyer:... We Armenians came from the land ... The land IS our roots very much like the native Americans. It seemes how much is forgotten in two generations.Ok, I'll make a fool of myself and show how little I know about Armenia! From what I have heard, the entire country is very rockey and mountenous so I was under the impression that nothing much would grow there (well, at least nothing like the massive crop fields we see here in the US). So I was wondering, is our roots really from Land? Where did/does the major food sources for Armenia come from? And if it is crops, how much of it is imported?Sip jan, it differs from place to place. Ararat field, for example, is very prosperous. but you go a little northward a little and soul becomes very rocky. =====this is completely off topic, but i just remembered and have to say it. i had a geogrphy teacher who would get so mad if we said Ararat vally. she would say "those you say Ararat valley are all damb and no nothing about georaghy". she would reason that a place to be called a valley must to in the elevation from 0-200 meters. but Ararat field is much higher than that. just a little story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellthecat Posted March 25, 2002 Report Share Posted March 25, 2002 quote:Originally posted by Sip:So I was wondering, is our roots really from Land? Where did/does the major food sources for Armenia come from? And if it is crops, how much of it is imported?Today there are probably more crops grown on the plains of Moush and Erzincan than in the whole of Armenia. To get an idea of the huge size of these places, it takes almost two hours to travel the length of each of them. If you want to know where all Armenia's good agricultural land has gone, then there is your answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted September 3, 2002 Report Share Posted September 3, 2002 Sorry for digging up old discussions, but this one really captivated me. I was a (lacto-)vegetarian myself for almost 12 years until I started feeling very weak about two years ago and concluded that it must be my diet. I was afraid to start eating (large quantities of) real meat immediately, so I started with a bite of fish every now and again. About a month later I had my first chicken, which was soon followed by pork and beef. To my own surprise my body not only got used to it very quickly, but it began to CRAVE meat. It wasn't the taste or a certain type of meat that I craved, it was meat in general. In the first six months I ate three times more meat than your average meat-eating person does on a daily basis. I just couldn't stop, and couldn't taste the difference either. All meat tasted the same to me, until about a year and half ago when I first realized that I didn't like chicken so much and that I preferred pork. Funnily enough, the same thing happened to a close friend of mine who started eating meat again just weeks after I quit being a vegetarian. Ever since I've heard more and more similar stories from ex-vegetarians. Three reasons why I'm happy I made this decision:1. I really do feel healthier;2. I don't have to refuse food anymore;3. I have a much larger choice in restaurants. One reason why I'm happy I was a vegetarian for so long:1. I can refrain from eating meat for longer periods of time and can still enjoy a good vegetarian meal (which I know many hardcore meat-eaters consider a side-dish rather than a real meal). Hasmiek jan, please be careful with what you feed your infant. I think my story and many many more ex-vegetarians' stories will prove to you that human beings ARE (or have become, if you will) omnivorous. We NEED meat, and your baby will NEED those ingredients. Hagarag jan, maybe your baby-face is genetic. I know plenty of meat-eating, drug-taking and cigarette smoking baby-faces. Nairi [ September 03, 2002, 04:32 AM: Message edited by: nairi ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khodja Posted September 3, 2002 Report Share Posted September 3, 2002 Nairi jan, There is a new book by Robert Adamo, which discusses the correct diet for each blood type. I am type A, which Adamo feels is perfect for a strict vegetarian. He states that other blood types need varying amounts of meat. You are correct that part of my younger-than- chronologial look is genetic. I have been told by job interviewers that the first thing my references say to them when they follow up on the references is that "He looks like he is in his thirties." But my father was grey at 30 and my mother by 45. I am ten years older than that and have no grey. I do find myself tired at times, but a quick nap perks me up. Suffice to say that each person should find what is best for them. So far my really rigid vegetariansism has worked for me. Just got blood work back from the doctor, which was excellent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted September 4, 2002 Report Share Posted September 4, 2002 Hagarag jan, I agree with everything you say, however I can't stress enough how important it is for fetuses and babies to receive all the ingredients they need. What they do thirty years later is up to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KavorKin99 Posted November 20, 2003 Report Share Posted November 20, 2003 damn i would die if i was a vegetarian i have to eat some korovatz and dolma lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
America-Hye Posted November 20, 2003 Report Share Posted November 20, 2003 You can always eat some yalangi dolma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheekY Posted November 20, 2003 Report Share Posted November 20, 2003 can't stand meat...especially pork and lamb...yuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExtraHye Posted November 22, 2003 Report Share Posted November 22, 2003 You can always eat some yalangi dolma What language is "yalangi" in... What does it mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted November 23, 2003 Report Share Posted November 23, 2003 I have no idea about the language but can guess what it is. We call it "soot dolma" some call it Sarma. it is the vegie version Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
America-Hye Posted November 23, 2003 Report Share Posted November 23, 2003 Arabic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted November 23, 2003 Report Share Posted November 23, 2003 I've tried to be a vegetarian. It happened few years ago when I started fasting 40-days before Easter. Then I repeated the same before Christmas. 40-days no meat, no milk, no butter, no nothing. Even abstained from honey-been. The result was great - seriously. First, I discovered so many different types of food, that under normal circumstances I would never even think that they exist, such as - dried apricots. Second, I felt better. More energy, less stress. Third, I didn't miss the meat in my menu at all. Even after finishing with the fasting I hadn't had the urge to eat meat. Well somehow, at one point I gave up. Probably because of the pork bon-fillet and a glass of Cabernet - Sauvignon and a bunch of good friends, and the waitress at that place and all evil things in this world that won't be complete without me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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