The challenges of being HYE ?

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Et saxt vresek tents frym ha?????? chaskatsank lol

Alex Kornev (whatever that means), if u so proud of being armenian, why do u have russian last name??? or why don't u speak armenian???? huh?

I don't undrestand how whoever it was (armenian) in your family would want to be mixed with Tatar or a Jew or even Ukrainian.

What, did they loose their self respect as an armenian or what????? Or they just frogot that they are armenian?? which one is it?

& i also don't understand if u don't go to church, don't speak the language, I bet u never even seen Armenia, or even know famous people, How can u say you are armenian???? that doesn't make any sense to me. What makes you 100% armenian? 25%(i'm guessing) of your armenian blood or what???

I'm like so confused on your posting. Never heard that. 100% armenians are the real armenians. ba AXPER! ( ooops, sorry i forgot that u don't speak "armenian",translation of that word is "BRAT" in russian.

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I can't tell how serious you are because of the smiley faces in your post, but don't even start the more-Armenian-than-thou shit.

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Why? what's wrong?

Is it because I said the truth? or you're just angry that, "hain" "nexatsretsi" im chisht xoskerov??? lol

Dykeik xosym, vor iskakan hay@ piti lezyn, patmysiyn@, kylturan imana????

Ira asatsov ink@ vo4mibanel et katigoriaits chgiti, so I don't understand which part of him is 100%% armenian? his blood?

There's more to blood , ok

Menak et chi.

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& yes I'm serious of what i said.

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Pilafhead

for some reason elen is not able to reply.

I need to get a reply to my email first.

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Originally posted by elen:
Et saxt vresek tents frym ha?????? chaskatsank lol
Alex Kornev (whatever that means), if u so proud of being armenian, why do u have russian last name??? or why don't u speak armenian???? huh?
I don't undrestand how whoever it was (armenian) in your family would want to be mixed with Tatar or a Jew or even Ukrainian.
What, did they loose their self respect as an armenian or what????? Or they just frogot that they are armenian?? which one is it?
& i also don't understand if u don't go to church, don't speak the language, I bet u never even seen Armenia, or even know famous people, How can u say you are armenian???? that doesn't make any sense to me. What makes you 100% armenian? 25%(i'm guessing) of your armenian blood or what???
I'm like so confused on your posting. Never heard that. 100% armenians are the real armenians. ba AXPER! ( ooops, sorry i forgot that u don't speak "armenian",translation of that word is "BRAT" in russian.

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Excuse the F*** out of me lady!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm sorry but you are very rude for 1 thing. My mother is 100 % armenian the tatar ukranian comes from fathers side.
And Kornev is his last name and HE named me. I don't know armenian because i was never taught. Why u insulting me like that huh??????????? im proud of my armenian heratige. I for one thing won't go around insulting other armenians that happen to have other blood in them. You are what you are inside. In my heart im 100% Armo like it or not. im 50 5 by blood by the way.
Never seen Armenia?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? WTF??????????????
I was born in Azerbajian and i moved to armenia for like 2 years. I lived in Kaj'ran
Kapan and later Yerevan. So i think before you come on here and start insulting someone you don't know you should find out more about that person!!!!!!!!!!!
Who the hell are you to tell me who i am huh????????????? Its not my fault i don't know the language or don't go to church. Any way i don't have to explain my ethnicity to you, you sound like a very ignorant person so i will not get into any kind of argument with you. good day

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Since when an Armenian girl yel at armenian guy. a true Armenian girl should hold herself in a good manner, but don't show her character.

 

 

Artur

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I just want to know where the hostility towards me came from. I didn't do anything to anybody. :::::::::::::::::::: ((((((((((((((((((((((((((

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Originally posted by elen:
Alex Kornev (whatever that means), if u so proud of being armenian, why do u have russian last name??? or why don't u speak armenian???? huh?

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Read some past posts before you start typing stuff like this. For example, one of Alex's first posts was about changing his last name.

His heart, head and intentions are in the right place. That is what makes him Armenian. He's a helluva lot more Armenian than alot of my family who are 100% by blood, speak the language AND attend Armenian church.

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Originally posted by Alex Kornev:
I just want to know where the hostility towards me came from. I didn't do anything to anybody. :::::::::::::::::::: ((((((((((((((((((((((((((

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Exactly, Alex. That's why I stuck my nose in (well, it IS big, so it's hard not to ). I have a lot of respect for you.

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Look Elen, you are a completely arrogant person, who the hell are you coming on here and telling us we are not proud of being Armenian? Being proud doesn't mean we have to blatantly say it, only insecure people like yourself have to wave the Armenian flag. Plus Alex is not full Armenian genetically but he is proud of having Armenian heritage. I am half, hence my user name, I am proud of all my heritages, not just Armenian.Are you going to tell me I shouldn't be proud of being American Indian? So Alex too is proud of being Tartar or whatever else. Before opening your big trap, think first.

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Ok guys calm down. She's not a member anymore.

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Originally posted by Alex Kornev:
I am verrrrrrrrry proud to be Armenian in case any one didn't know

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Alex,

It is not important if you speak Armenian or not, but what is more important is that you are willing to learn. I never went to Armenian school either, and up until my 8th grade I did not know how to write and read Armenian. When the liberation movements started in Artsax, for the fist time in our Russian school Armenian laguage class was intorduced. My classmates and I all in 8th grade for the fist time studied Armenian by 1st graders' book. However, our learning only lasted for a year, until the war got worse and we did not attend school anymore. In 1992 our district was captured by Azery forces, and all Armenians fled. I was lucky to know how to speak Armenian, and relatively easy learned writing and reading. I think with the determination that you have, you will succeed, too!


As the fact that your dad is not Armenian by blood, does not matter in you being Armenian. Being Armenian by blood and being Armenian by soul are two very different things.


Moreover, all of us can only go back in our roots for 3 or 4 generations, and claiming 100% Armenian blood is just a guess.


Alex, dont let elen's postings, whoever she was, discourage you. Unfortunatly, as in every nation there are many bad Armenians too, though we want to be the purest and the best.



[This message has been edited by surorus (edited December 10, 2000).]

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Thank you pilaf jan and suro, it just hit me that IF i would go back to Armenia for a visit would Armenians there besides my family accept me? well i don't know now.

[nairakev]

When I meet armenians named "elen" or whatever who say the same thing as this girl said, I really feel sad to be Armenian. But, after all, who can protect Armenians from being not perfect. Do we need a protection?
We do have some cool folks and we do have an important amount of idiots as well...
Destiny? Noway. It's called human race. Nothing to do particularly with Armenians...

I lived and crossed many countries and wherever I lived I have witnessed the same problem. Each etnicity counts some idiots ... there is no doubt

[nairakev]

Ok, I step into your game.

 

For me being Armenian actually has 2 scales.

 

1st scale:

First is when I was Armenian leaving in Armenia. I went to a Russian school, so! I wasn't good in speaking Armenian. I spoke Russian with my mother and father at home. The first letters that I've learned were not Armenian but Cyrilic.

When you leave in Armenia you feel a part of that huge mass of population predominately stuck into 'strange' and 'made up' traditions, which as individual I never accepted.

I grew up in a family which was not religious at all. But we did follow some religious traditions like "matagh", "knounk", "zatik", "psak".

My granma (father's mom) was an orphan who survived the genocide and grew up in Leninakan's american orphanage. She was illiterate but very religious (not surprising). So each saterday someone from our family should have accompanied her to Sourb Sarkis for her a saturday service. When I was a bit older (16, LOL ...) my turn came and I had to accompany my granma for her sunday morning visits.

Actually, this was my all armenianism. The rest was like many young people do. I loved Dostoevski, Kafka, Chechov, Balzac and even Dumas. I weared clothes according to the modern tendencies(jeans, T-shirts, or mini-jupes). I was listening Eric Clapton, Beatles or Madonna. I was making love with whom I wanted, but the way nobody knew it.

And honestly I hated to be an Armenian in Armenia. I loved my friends. I loved them a lot. But now most of them are spread all over the world. Most of my friends were Armenians, but I had also a friends who was jewish, an assirian, few yezid friends, a german and many russians.

I loved the Spendiarov's Opera House I loved concerts of Philarmonic playing Khachatourian. I loved some armenian bard singers (no "rabiz" please).

 

I didn't really realise that I'm armenian. Because I could see Ararat from my appartement (and I didn't care if it was in Turkey). I enjoyed hinking and camping in mountains with students in Dilijan.

I was a citizen of Armenia from armenian parents with mixed background (russian, arab, german, armenian). I was 100% Armenian.

 

2nd scale

It's when I was outside of Armenia. This is when I felt myself more "world" citizen than Armenian.

 

Whereever I went or I settled I had to learn the local language, the local traditions, the local laws and the local mentality. And I had to say to evryone what my origins are. Because people were often curious.

 

I could hide my origin, because in some languages I did some progress (not in English helas) and it was easy just to say I'm one of yours. Espeacially when you sympathise them.

 

But I said the truth. Why?

Because I was proud of being Armenian.

What is it for me being proud of that.

(I skip the whole story about the christianity, the genocide, the rich and "IMPORTANT" history and inventors of color TV)

I was proud because I've learned the local language, because I've studied local traditions, because I was trying always to be the best at my work and in my studies and to be a good friend with those who I do sympathise.

Never try to differ who is black who is red, who is inferior or superior bulshit.

Never refuse an invitation. I've tried to do ramazan with my moslim freinds. I didn't become moslim. I've never been christian.

And the funniest thing is that when people knew about my origins they asked me often if I do have Armenian friends or if I go to Armenian Church. My answer was often "no".

Not because I didn't have Armenian friends, I just don't make friends because they are Armenians. And I'm not going certainly to make friends in Armenian Church.

 

To be brief:

What is Armenian for me?

1. To be the best in any adventure (work, study) - a healthy feel for competition. To be the best but not at any price. Catch the reminder, please!

 

2. To be curious. Discover people, cultures, sciences. To take the most interesting out of life by taking and sharing.

 

3. To be tolerant. Do not quit doubting. When someone says to me this is bad. First question "Why?"

 

4. To be a "world" citizen. Care about environment, no matter where you leave. Being a world citizen is important for me, that's why I'm saying I cannot stand for mono-etnic protectionist societies.

 

5. To be contributive. By leaving your everyday life, do not forget to innovate and bring something new and better to the whole human society, not for Armenians only

 

 

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I miss Armenian mountains, water, drinks, friends and my family. But I want to be a part of the world.

 

So, I guess I'll be 2nd scale Armenian.