Arine Posted June 5, 2002 Report Share Posted June 5, 2002 Look what I found in www.president.az, under "Azerbaijan". Makes me laugh. Historical OutlineAzerbaijan is one of the oldest spots of civilization, a country with a rich and ancient history. A rich cultural heritage has been created on its territory over the span of many millenniums, contributing to the treasure-house of World culture. The discovery of Azykh cave, the earliest habitation of man to be found in the world, and a number of habitations of the ancient stone age prove that Azerbaijan enters the zone of anthropoids to reveal the birthplace of mankind. The main traces of civilization are viewed in Azerbaijan. In the 3rd millennium B.C. the process of tribe formation was going on here and by the 1st millennium B.C. the first political formations had emerged. Azerbaijan State system was being formed in the 9th century B.C.: Manna state with high economic and cultural level had emerged. The pantheons of divinities were created. Manna believed in natural phenomena; the Sun, the Moon. In the first part of the 6th century B.C. Manna was conquered by Media. The official religion was Zoroastrism, the spread of wich was connected with selfkindled resources of oil and gas. A great part was played by the Atropatena and Caucasian Albania in the process of the formation of separate state structure on the territory of Azerbaijan in antiquity. The name of the country is connected with the name of the Atropatena ruler - Atropat which was later transformed into Azerbaijan. It is in Atropatena that the process of formation of Azerbaijan nationality began. In the 3rd-5th centuries the Azerbaijan state system was strengthening. Christianity was penetrating into Azerbaijan. In Transcaucasus one of the first apostolic Christian churches appeared spiritual and secular life was progressing. At the beginning of the 5th century the Albanic alphabet was introduced and promoted the development of education. The unique monuments of culture and literature, architectural traditions of that period have been preserved to the present. Azerbaijan was conquered by Arabs at the beginning of the 8th century and made part of the Arab Khalifat as the vilayet Arran. Islam became the leading religion in Azerbaijan, creating new traditions and culture. Azerbaijanis, like all other nations that accepted Islam, were called "Moslems" and participated in the development of Moslem culture. Azerbaijan enriched the world culture, gave the world a brilliant gallery of scientists, poets and architects. In the medieval centuries there was a succession of states: Gara-goyunly, Ag-gounly, Sefevids states were in power in a successive way. A rivalry between states to involve Azerbaijan into the sphere of their interests resulted in striking inner destabilization in 18th century A number of independent state formations - Khanates appeared. The contradictions between Russia, Turkey and Iran deepened in the 18th-19th century. Wars were waged over Azerbaijan. The Turkmanchay Treaty of 1828 between Russia and Iran separated Azerbaijan and its people: the northern part of Azerbaijan was conquered by Russia, its southern part became a part of the Iranian state. The 20th century entered the history of the Azerbaijan people as the period of radical changes in socio-economic, political and cultural life. A range of upstream and downstream industrial branches were intensively developing in Azerbaijan. Baku turned into the world center of oil extraction and refinery yielding more than half of the world's and 95% of Russia's oil extraction totals. The cultural life enlivened. Various branches of science were developing, newspapers and magazines started to be published. Formation of political societies, organizations and parties for dissemination of progressive, democratic ideas contributed to the process of becoming and developing a national identity and fueled the growth of the liberation movement of the people. February, 1917: The fall of the tsarist monarchy in Russia created favorable conditions for the development of national movements in its border lands. May 28, 1918: Azerbaijan rehabilitated its state structure - the Independent Azerbaijan Republic was established. Having existed for 23 months, it collapsed. Troops of the 11th Red Army came to Baku. In December, 1922 Azerbaijan became a part of the USSR and a socialist republic was formed with the attributes of state - Constitution, flag, national anthem, state emblem. In 1991 state independence of Azerbaijan was restored, the Constitutional Act of State Independence was adopted. The Constitution of independent Azerbaijan Republic was adopted on November 12, 1995. This event marked a new stage in the history of Azerbaijan people - the epoch of democracy and progress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accelerated Posted June 6, 2002 Report Share Posted June 6, 2002 quote:History of AzerbaijanWhat history? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted June 6, 2002 Report Share Posted June 6, 2002 and not a single note about Armenians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arine Posted June 6, 2002 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2002 The reason that I posted this article which I found it @ www.president.az was to show you that 75% of the so called history is fake. It talks about how Azerbaijan & Azeris are one of the ancient people on this planet, but there's no word about Azeris being Turks.It also says that Azeris had one of the greatest writers, & scientists & that those people contributed alot to the world, over the centuries, but the genius historian who wrote this article doesn't give us any names of those great Azeris scientists & writers. It doesn't mention anything about Azeris being turks, & Azerbaijan being first created in 1918 because of the oil in that region. Once an Azeri guy told me that (not that i was friendly with him) that Freddi Mercury from the Queen is Azerbaijani. I just don't understand whom are they trying to fool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koko Posted June 10, 2002 Report Share Posted June 10, 2002 quote:Originally posted by Arine:The reason that I posted this article which I found it @ www.president.az was to show you that 75% of the so called history is fake. It talks about how Azerbaijan & Azeris are one of the ancient people on this planet, but there's no word about Azeris being Turks.It also says that Azeris had one of the greatest writers, & scientists & that those people contributed alot to the world, over the centuries, but the genius historian who wrote this article doesn't give us any names of those great Azeris scientists & writers. It doesn't mention anything about Azeris being turks, & Azerbaijan being first created in 1918 because of the oil in that region. Once an Azeri guy told me that (not that i was friendly with him) that Freddi Mercury from the Queen is Azerbaijani. I just don't understand whom are they trying to fool.he is iranian i believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight Bark Posted June 10, 2002 Report Share Posted June 10, 2002 quote: quote:Originally posted by koko:Once an Azeri guy told me that (not that i was friendly with him) that Freddi Mercury from the Queen is Azerbaijani. he is iranian i believe.More precisely, the late Freddie Mercury's family backround is Parsi, which is a distinct ethnic group in India. As their name suggests, the Parsi are originally from Persia. Their stereotype is "wealthy merchant", rather than "rock star". Anyway, the fictitious Azeri connection is probably made as follows, even though it hurts my fingers to type the nonsense: Parsi are from Iran. There are a lot of Azeris in Iran. Therefore he must be an Azeri. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight Bark Posted June 11, 2002 Report Share Posted June 11, 2002 quote:Originally posted by Arine:Just because he's ancestors were from Persia doesn't make him Azeri.Naturally. Indeed, anyone with the most rudimentary thinking skills, say a six-year old, could reason as much. But when wishful thinking kicks in there is no telling where those neurons can take you quote: If he is Azeri then he's a Turk, ... They are just as dumb as the Turks. You have to go beyond, much beyond such a chauvinistic outlook on things. Azeris are not particularly dumb, and neither are the Turks. There may be cultural "edges" of each group in certain areas, but it is silly to claim that the Armenians are smarter than Turks. After all, what does that say about us, Armenians, who were ruled by those "dumb" people? So we are even dumber? (Such a sentiment, by the way, is not very new or original. You can find it voiced, for example, in the cult-movie "Trainspotting", although a certain modern-day prophet of ours might wish to claim copyright on it.) quote:During the Soviet UnionRussians, Ukrainians & ARmenians were the only people active in science, arts, literature. I'm not saying that others didn't do anything but those 3 were the smartest.More relevant is the situation now, today. Armenian science, along with most intellectual activity is in shambles now. And it's not because we have low IQs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arine Posted June 12, 2002 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2002 Just because he's ancestors were from Persia doesn't make him Azeri. If he is Azeri then he's a Turk, since there was no "Azeri" nation before 1918. They are just as dumb as the Turks. During the Soviet Union Russians, Ukrainians & ARmenians were the only people active in science, arts, literature. I'm not saying that others didn't do anything but those 3 were the smartest. & don't forget that Armenia had the 3rd best Academy of Sciences in the whole Soviet Union, after Russia then Ukraine. sorry for my grammar mistakes guys I'm in a hurry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arine Posted June 12, 2002 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2002 SorryI didn't think that there was a Turk in here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight Bark Posted June 12, 2002 Report Share Posted June 12, 2002 quote:Originally posted by Arine:SorryI didn't think that there was a Turk in here.Explain and elaborate please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted June 13, 2002 Report Share Posted June 13, 2002 Unfortunately Twilight Bark is right.What Diaspora Armenians and Armenians from Armenia proper have in common is exactly this "superiority" complex. What is worst than that is the wrong means by which our intellectuals are trying to overcome this "phenomenon" by ruining our history and what has left from our culture, thus creating more paranoia and "abushism" among Armenians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight Bark Posted June 13, 2002 Report Share Posted June 13, 2002 www.ansef.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koko Posted June 14, 2002 Report Share Posted June 14, 2002 quote:Originally posted by gamavor:[qb]Unfortunately Twilight Bark is right.What Diaspora Armenians and Armenians from Armenia proper have in common is exactly this "superiority" complex. There exist armenians only in the diaspora and in Armenia! quote: What is worst than that is the wrong means by which our intellectuals are trying to overcome this "phenomenon" by ruining our history and what has left from our culture, thus creating more paranoia and "abushism" among Armenians Exacly what does todays armenian intellectualsdo to ruin our history?Could u explain more of the "phenomena "superiority complex please? [ June 14, 2002, 03:58 AM: Message edited by: koko ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJ Posted June 16, 2002 Report Share Posted June 16, 2002 I am having a hard time to understand why has this material created dismay...It seems to be relatively accurate, despite the few "errors," and certainly one of the most truthful "stories" they have come up with in the last 50 years... Is there anything that I don't get? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sen_Vahan Posted June 17, 2002 Report Share Posted June 17, 2002 "Just because he's ancestors were from Persia doesn't make him Azeri. If he is Azeri then he's a Turk, since there was no "Azeri" nation before 1918. They are just as dumb as the Turks." ??? Imagine that there is such a nation. I am in Moscow now and I meet them sometimes even more than Russians here... How could dumb people get Nakhijevan and Artsax? And tell me whose political leaders are stronger - Armenian or Azeri? " During the Soviet UnionRussians, Ukrainians & ARmenians were the only people active in science, arts, literature." How about Belorus?... "I'm not saying that others didn't do anything but those 3 were the smartest. & don't forget that Armenia had the 3rd best Academy of Sciences in the whole Soviet Union, after Russia then Ukraine." Yeah, but today, unfortunately, those 3 Academies are worse than for example Polish. And the Armenian Academy of Sciences is now the 1st. But this time in a list of the worst Academies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arine Posted June 17, 2002 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2002 It was Stalin who divided ARmenia into 3 parts ok not Azeris. Read history. Azeri politicians are no better than ARmenian ones. They both suck. If Azeri politicians were better than ARmenian politicans, then you wouldn't meet any Azeris in Moscow. Read the news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJ Posted June 18, 2002 Report Share Posted June 18, 2002 quote:Originally posted by Arine:It was Stalin who divided ARmenia into 3 parts ok not Azeris. Read history. Azeri politicians are no better than ARmenian ones. They both suck. If Azeri politicians were better than ARmenian politicans, then you wouldn't meet any Azeris in Moscow. Read the news.I have known Stalin personally, but don't remember him doing such a bad thing... Tsk, tsk, tsk...How could I miss that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted June 18, 2002 Report Share Posted June 18, 2002 smile.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accelerated Posted June 18, 2002 Report Share Posted June 18, 2002 quote:It seems to be relatively accurate, despite the few "errors," and certainly one of the most truthful "stories" they have come up with in the last 50 years...There are more errors in it than truths. quote:Is there anything that I don't get? Perharps your also one of those 'Armenians' that is 'essentially' an American. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJ Posted June 18, 2002 Report Share Posted June 18, 2002 There are more errors in it than truths. Could you list them? Perharps your also one of those 'Armenians' that is 'essentially' an American. Currently known as Jabbernuts, where are you Accelerating? Slow down ... so that not to 'essentially' come accross as a moron... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sen_Vahan Posted June 18, 2002 Report Share Posted June 18, 2002 "It was Stalin who divided ARmenia into 3 parts ok not Azeris. Read history." If you ask me, Arine jan, I will certainly do that... "If Azeri politicians were better than ARmenian politicans, then you wouldn't meet any Azeris in Moscow. Read the news. " Do I need to read the news? I am spending my vacations in Moscow and can meet them every single day and get the first-hand information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted June 18, 2002 Report Share Posted June 18, 2002 quote:Originally posted by Twilight Bark:[QB] [qb] ...although a certain modern-day prophet of ours might wish to claim copyright on it.)[QB]LOL - touche Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted June 18, 2002 Report Share Posted June 18, 2002 quote:Originally posted by MJ:[qb]Currently known as Jabbernuts, where are you Accelerating? Slow down ... so that not to 'essentially' come accross as a moron...I doubt that this is possible - he is one of these "so-called" Armenians who suffers from "perpetual foot in mouth disease" - sad, but true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accelerated Posted June 19, 2002 Report Share Posted June 19, 2002 quote:Could you list them?Sorry, dont have time, am in middle of exams. quote:where are you Accelerating? I am accelerating my foot into your buttocks.... quote:"perpetual foot in mouth disease" I dont think foot-n-mouth desease effects sheep . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJ Posted June 19, 2002 Report Share Posted June 19, 2002 Jabbaernats Dandy, I think you would do a great service to yourself if you just get out of your mutated state of mind. Arine, How come I don't remember you, if you where there and knew him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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