Arpa Posted February 27, 2003 Report Share Posted February 27, 2003 Ukhtert Depi Ughtasar OK boys and girls, have your 4X4 s revved up, be they modern all terrain vehicles or the traditional camel, be they one humped or two, or even four leg powered 4x4.Below a few links, each viewed from a different angle. Ughtasar. Thank you Raffi Kojian of Cilicia.com. You may also browse the next site for more touristic attractions. The petroglyphs (Zhayrapatker, stone images) seen are still subject to debate. They are known as "Aytsegir" or in the colloquial "Itsegir" both to mean "Goat Script", obviously. There are those who have, and still are trying to interpret them as some kind of scripture, like hieroglyphics, while there are others who interpret them as just pictures. Ajarian shies away from passing a judgement but one gathers from his tone that he rather leans towards the latter camp. It is a known fact that those sites where Aytsegirs have been discvered have and still are favorite grazing pastures to sheepherders, goatherders and other herders, and as such most of the figures are those of sheep, goats and other farm animals, at times interspersed with beasts of prey that may have at times disturbed the pastoral peace. Once again, thank you Raffi.Enjoy! http://www.cilicia.com/armo5_ughtasar.html http://www.aua.am/web/group16/Links/Sightseengs.htm http://www.oneworld.am/armenia/regions/siu...ik/ughtasar.htm Rock Carvingshttp://www.iatp.am/resource/artcult/rockar...ughtasar/tl.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted February 27, 2003 Report Share Posted February 27, 2003 Wow Raffi Kojian - disserves a Gold medal of some sort - something to say thank you from all of the Armenians - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted February 27, 2003 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2003 Movses Raffi registered at HyeForum a few months ago although I have not seen his posts since that initial one. You may be able to locate his profile and send him a PM, otherwise here is his e-addressRaffi Kojian He has indeed done a marvelous job.BTW. Raffi is a former Los Angelene relocated to Yerevan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted February 27, 2003 Report Share Posted February 27, 2003 Arpa jan - many of us do go to Armenia everyday - at nights – in our dreams – we walk in the streets of Yerevan we drink the water in Garni – we play and talk and have fun -~~~~ this is at nights ~~~ every night ~~ and every time the same Armenian girl taps on my shoulder – ehh it’s 8.55am time to weak up – will at list I still have the girl after waking up – to me if I can go to Armenian every 2 years - it’s mission accomplished for me. It’s all in you – if you like to go to Armenia - you can – it will not cost you anything more then going Paris or to Bahamas – in many cases even less - if you have no relatives – Armenia is not only Yerevan + Garni + Geghard + jermuk and a short stop at Artsax – no you can’t visit Armenia one time and see everything – you can see most of Armenian 30 days - but the hidden treasures of Armenia are in remote locations and even many Armenian of Armenia have never been in this places – I love Armenia - I like to spend more time and see more – I was fortuned - my parents have always found ways to take the family to outdoors – to show us what Armenia is.This might be one of the reason that everyone in our family will not hesitate and will chose going to Armenia - instead of Paris or Jamaica - special my “little” sister – she has been in Armenia 3 times in the last 4 years – she loves the place - you say Armenia she starts poking – she’s always ready I make a UKHT – UKHT KENEM !! wan we / me and the wife - have our second child – e will go to Ukhtasar – to Armenia and we will have our child Baptized in Armenia … Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted February 27, 2003 Report Share Posted February 27, 2003 quote:Originally posted by Arpa:Movses Raffi registered at HyeForum a few months ago although I have not seen his posts since that initial one. You may be able to locate his profile and send him a PM, otherwise here is his e-addressRaffi Kojian He has indeed done a marvelous job.BTW. Raffi is a former Los Angelene relocated to Yerevan.I know Arpa jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted February 28, 2003 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2003 quote:Originally posted by MosJan:Arpa jan - many of us do go to Armenia everyday - at nights – in our dreams – we walk in the streets of Yerevan we drink the water in Garni – we play and talk and have fun -~~~~ t starts poking – she’s always ready *********** I make a UKHT – UKHT KENEM !! wan we / me and the wife - have our second child – e will go to Ukhtasar – to Armenia and we will have our child Baptized in Armenia …MosJan, I know exactly what you are saying. I have been to the Yerevan Province on three occasions. I use this designation to refer to what we otherwise may call ROA, since Armenia is a much larger country, parts of it may not be under the jurisdiction of Yerevan at the present.As you say there is so much more, my first trip was mostly visiting old and ne churches, what else is new? Most of our companions know only one thing about Armenia that there are churches, the only Armenian they may know is the words to Hayr Mer (not always correct either). On subsequent trips I did some independent sight seeing and I was amazed. I won't go into details, Jermuk is fascinating, I was also fascinated with Satani Kamurj.I may go again this summer.As I read some of the posts here, "Pilgrimage to Turkey" (what a disgusting thought!!), I get the ipression that many of our forumers have not been to Yerevan Province i.e Modern Armenia.We may run an informal (open)poll to se how many have and how many have not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted February 28, 2003 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2003 Once again thank you Raffi.Satani Kamurjhttp://www.cilicia.com/armo5_satanayi-kamurj.html Jermukhttp://www.cilicia.com/armo5_jermuk.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted February 28, 2003 Report Share Posted February 28, 2003 Satanayi Kamurj abov teh Satanayi Kamurj - you can se thr old "Pansiont".i have spend a night at the place - it was noce!!! i have some new pic's soon i will add them to web site / can you guess the neme of the web site ???hint ?? phil.......com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted February 22, 2004 Report Share Posted February 22, 2004 Arpa jan - many of us do go to Armenia everyday - at nights – in our dreams – we walk in the streets of Yerevan we drink the water in Garni – we play and talk and have fun -~~~~ this is at nights ~~~ every night ~~ and every time the same Armenian girl taps on my shoulder – ehh it’s 8.55am time to weak up – will at list I still have the girl after waking up – to me if I can go to Armenian every 2 years - it’s mission accomplished for me. It’s all in you – if you like to go to Armenia - you can – it will not cost you anything more then going Paris or to Bahamas – in many cases even less - if you have no relatives – Armenia is not only Yerevan + Garni + Geghard + jermuk and a short stop at Artsax – no you can’t visit Armenia one time and see everything – you can see most of Armenian 30 days - but the hidden treasures of Armenia are in remote locations and even many Armenian of Armenia have never been in this places – I love Armenia - I like to spend more time and see more – I was fortuned - my parents have always found ways to take the family to outdoors – to show us what Armenia is. This might be one of the reason that everyone in our family will not hesitate and will chose going to Armenia - instead of Paris or Jamaica - special my “little” sister – she has been in Armenia 3 times in the last 4 years – she loves the place - you say Armenia she starts poking – she’s always ready smile.gif I make a UKHT – UKHT KENEM !! wan we / me and the wife - have our second child – e will go to Ukhtasar – to Armenia and we will have our child Baptized in Armenia … Well year passes by so fast It’s time for me to start making reservation’s and get ready for my Ughtagnatsutyun to my Armenia MOvses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted May 17, 2004 Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 well according to Rafii of Cilicia, i might not be able to get on top of ughtasar June is way to early to use any of the roads, that's Ok I'll use Azat's helicopter or will need to take my ATV, Siphan can? i have yor jeep for 2 days ?? xostanum em 2 orits het berem ehhhh 6 more days to go Azat? patrast es ??? valiznert kapel es ?? hishir ha 70lbs aper te che problem kuneanas mejqs tsavuma / 50 angam k@shrel em arden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted May 18, 2004 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 (edited) MosJan, Ukhti es gnum ha? Yerani qez Hay Ukhtavor! Mez inch es berelu? Tuti oghi te nran gini? ====== Here is the poem Toumanian dedicated to you. Ð²Ú àôÊî²ìàðÆÜ ÐàìвÜܺê ÂàôزÜÚ²Ü ¶Ý³ë µ³ñáí, ³Û áõËï³íáñ, ºñ³ÝÇ ù»½, Ñ³Û áõËï³íáñ, àñ ϳñáïáí áõ ëÇñ³é³ï àõËï »ë ·ÝáõÙ ¹»å ²ñ³ñ³ï£ ¼»÷ÛáõñÝ»ñáí, ͳÕϳÝó µáõÛñáí, ÆÝãå»ë ÍÝáÕ ëÇñ³·áñáí, ø»½ ÏáÕçáõÝ»Ý ½ÙñáõËï ѳ·³Í ¶»Õ³Ù ë³ñ»ñÝ áõ ²ñ³·³Í, àõ ϳñáï³Í ³ãùÇ ÝÙ³Ý ø»½ ÏÁÅåï³ íÅÇï ê»õ³Ý, àõ É»éÝ»ñÇ ßáõù»ñÇ Ñ»ï Ê³Õ ¿ ³ÝáõÙ, ˳ÛïáõÙ í»ï-í»ï, ö³ÛÉ÷ÉáõÙ ¿ ÍÁ÷³ÝùÝ»ñáí, ÐáñÇÝáõÙ ¿ ÉáõÛë»ñÇ Íáí, ºõ Ù»ñà íßïáí áõ ïËñáõÃÛ³Ùµ ê»õ³ÝáõÙ ¿ ÇÝãå»ë Ùáõà ³Ùå... ------ Ð³å³ ¿Ý ë³ñÝ ¿Ý ë³ñ ÑëϳÝ, ¾Ý ë³ñ»ñÇ ë³ñÝ áõ ³ñù³Ý, ȳ½áõñ »ñÏÝÇ ÍáóÁ ÙÁï³Í, Ö»ñÙ³Ï ·ÉáõËÝ ³Ùå»ñ ÷³ÃóÍ, ²Ñ³ ϳݷݻó ͳÝñ áõ ïñïáõÙ øáõ ³é³ç»íÝ áõ ùáõ ëñïáõÙ... ¾¯, ݳ ³ñ¹»Ý ù³ÝÇ ë»õ ¹³ñ ä»ñ× ·³·³ÃáíÝ Çñ ÓÛáõݳ÷³é ÞáÕßáÕáõÙ ¿, ÷³Ûɳï³ÏáõÙ, ºõ áõËï³íáñ ѳÛÇ Ñá·áõÙ Ðå³ñïáõÃÛ³Ý ÍÝáõÙ Ãáõݹ»ñ ºõ ëÇñ»ÉÇ »ñ³½° ÿ ¹»é ¾Ý »ñÏݳѳë سëÛ³ó ϳï³ñ, àõñ ÑÇÝ ï³å³ÝÝ ³é³í ¹³¹³ñ, ¸³¹³ñ ϳéÝ»Ý ÷³éù»ñÝ Ù»ñ ÑÇÝ, àõ Ýáñ³÷³ÛÉ ÇçÝ»Ý ÏÁñÏÇÝ... ---- лÝó ËáݳñÑ»ë ³éù»ñÁ¹ ó³Í, ȳÛÝ ¹³ßïÇ Ù¿ç, ³éç»õ¹ ѳÝϳñÍ, سé³ËáõÕÇó Çñ ˳ãÇ Ñ»ï ÎÁµ³ñÓñ³Ý³ ÙÇ ëáõñ ·ÁÙµ»Ã, àñ ÏÁ ËáëÇ Ù³ñ¹áõ Ñá·áõÝ, -þʳճÕáõÃÛáõÝ ³Ù»Ý»óáõÝþ... ¾Ýï»Õ ¿Ý ÑÇÝ ¹³ñ»ñÇó í»ñ, ºñÏݳù³ñá½ ÑáõÅÏáõ Ó³ÛÝ»ñ, ê³Ñ³Ï ä³ñûõ, Ü»ñë»ë Ù»ÍÇÝ Ê³Õ³ÕáõÃÛáõÝ ù³ñá½»óÇÝ£ ¾Ýï»Õ Éóí³Í ³Ñ»Õ Ñá·áí, ²ëïí³Í³ÛÇÝ Çñ ï»ëÇÉùáí, þÆçÙdzÍÇÝÝ Æ Ðûñ¿þ° àñ г۳ëï³Ý Éáõë³íáñ¿£ àõ ÉáõÛëÝ ³é³Ý ͳí³É»óÇÝ Èáõë³íáñÇãÝ áõ Ù»Í îñ¹³ï, àõ ï³Ï³íÇÝ ³ÛÝï»Õ Ï»ó³Í ÎÁë³í³éÝ»Ý Ñá·Ç³ó³Í£ Unicode: ՀԱՅ ՈՒԽՏԱՎՈՐԻՆ ՀՈՎՀԱՆՆԵՍ ԹՈՒՄԱՆՅԱՆ Գնաս բարով, այ ուխտավոր, Երանի քեզ, հայ ուխտավոր, Որ կարոտով ու սիրառատ Ուխտ ես գնում դեպ Արարատ։ Զեփյուրներով, ծաղկանց բույրով, Ինչպես ծնող սիրագորով, Քեզ կողջունեն զմրուխտ հագած Գեղամ սարերն ու Արագած, Ու կարոտած աչքի նման Քեզ կըժպտա վժիտ Սեւան, Ու լեռների շուքերի հետ Խաղ է անում, խայտում վետ-վետ, Փայլփլում է ծըփանքներով, Հորինում է լույսերի ծով, Եւ մերթ վշտով ու տխրությամբ Սեւանում է ինչպես մութ ամպ... ------ Հապա էն սարն էն սար հսկան, Էն սարերի սարն ու արքան, Լազուր երկնի ծոցը մըտած, Ճերմակ գլուխն ամպեր փաթթած, Ահա կանգնեց ծանր ու տրտում Քու առաջեվն ու քու սրտում... Է՜, նա արդեն քանի սեւ դար Պերճ գագաթովն իր ձյունափառ Շողշողում է, փայլատակում, Եւ ուխտավոր հայի հոգում Հպարտության ծնում թունդեր Եւ սիրելի երազ՛ թէ դեռ Էն երկնահաս Մասյաց կատար, Ուր հին տապանն առավ դադար, Դադար կառնեն փառքերն մեր հին, Ու նորափայլ իջնեն կըրկին... ---- Հենց խոնարհես առքերըդ ցած, Լայն դաշտի մէջ, առջեւդ հանկարծ, Մառախուղից իր խաչի հետ Կըբարձրանա մի սուր գըմբեթ, Որ կը խոսի մարդու հոգուն, -՚Խաղաղություն ամենեցուն՚... Էնտեղ էն հին դարերից վեր, Երկնաքարոզ հուժկու ձայներ, Սահակ Պարթեւ, Ներսես մեծին Խաղաղություն քարոզեցին։ Էնտեղ լցված ահեղ հոգով, Աստվածային իր տեսիլքով, ՚Իջմիածինն Ի Հօրէ՚՛ Որ Հայաստան լուսավորէ։ Ու լույսն առան ծավալեցին Լուսավորիչն ու մեծ Տրդատ, Ու տակավին այնտեղ կեցած Կըսավառնեն հոգիացած։ Edit again: Sorry I hadn't noticed that Extra had already converted it to Unicode down below...... vava Edited January 5, 2005 by vava Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 Azat? patrast es ??? valiznert kapel es ?? hishir ha 70lbs aper te che problem kuneanas mejqs tsavuma / 50 angam k@shrel em arden Movses jan, which one of the suitcases is for Domino? I hope you remember to take him out for a while Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 Arpa, can you do us all a favor and run your text through Harut's brilliant little machine? Like that you only need to type the text once, but you'll have two versions: one with regular fonts, and one with unicode. Not everyone here can read the regular fonts. See here: http://s90830795.onlinehome.us/etc/uniconv/unicode.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 Thank you Arpa t@ti Ogi yev kam n@ran Gini @entrutyun@ qonne Sasun jan no Domino no Way I'm going on a vacation away from Domino 30 days no Domino Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 MOVSESSSSSSSSSS? Are you sure you are Armenian? Never met any Armenian who gets ready in advance. Aper yeranek qez, all your suitcases and stuff are in the dining area. All the stuff we are taking(4 of us all together) is in my room. I feel like an acrobat when I have to get out of my bed to go to the bathroom. 18 days to go... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExtraHye Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 MosJan, Ukhti es gnum ha? Yerani qez Hay Ukhtavor! Mez inch es berelu? Tuti oghi te nuri oghi? ====== Here is the poem Toumanian dedicated to you. ՀԱՅ ՈՒԽՏԱՎՈՐԻՆ ՀՈՎՀԱՆՆԵՍ ԹՈՒՄԱՆՅԱՆ Գնաս բարով, այ ուխտավոր, Երանի քեզ, հայ ուխտավոր, Որ կարոտով ու սիրառատ Ուխտ ես գնում դեպ Արարատ։ Զեփյուրներով, ծաղկանց բույրով, Ինչպես ծնող սիրագորով, Քեզ կողջունեն զմրուխտ հագած Գեղամ սարերն ու Արագած, Ու կարոտած աչքի նման Քեզ կըժպտա վժիտ Սեւան, Ու լեռների շուքերի հետ Խաղ է անում, խայտում վետ-վետ, Փայլփլում է ծըփանքներով, Հորինում է լույսերի ծով, Եւ մերթ վշտով ու տխրությամբ Սեւանում է ինչպես մութ ամպ... ------ Հապա էն սարն էն սար հսկան, Էն սարերի սարն ու արքան, Լազուր երկնի ծոցը մըտած, Ճերմակ գլուխն ամպեր փաթթած, Ահա կանգնեց ծանր ու տրտում Քու առաջեվն ու քու սրտում... Է՜, նա արդեն քանի սեւ դար Պերճ գագաթովն իր ձյունափառ Շողշողում է, փայլատակում, Եւ ուխտավոր հայի հոգում Հպարտության ծնում թունդեր Եւ սիրելի երազ՛ թէ դեռ Էն երկնահաս Մասյաց կատար, Ուր հին տապանն առավ դադար, Դադար կառնեն փառքերն մեր հին, Ու նորափայլ իջնեն կըրկին... ---- Հենց խոնարհես առքերըդ ցած, Լայն դաշտի մէջ, առջեւդ հանկարծ, Մառախուղից իր խաչի հետ Կըբարձրանա մի սուր գըմբեթ, Որ կը խոսի մարդու հոգուն, -՚Խաղաղություն ամենեցուն՚... Էնտեղ էն հին դարերից վեր, Երկնաքարոզ հուժկու ձայներ, Սահակ Պարթեւ, Ներսես մեծին Խաղաղություն քարոզեցին։ Էնտեղ լցված ահեղ հոգով, Աստվածային իր տեսիլքով, ՚Իջմիածինն Ի Հօրէ՚՛ Որ Հայաստան լուսավորէ։ Ու լույսն առան ծավալեցին Լուսավորիչն ու մեծ Տրդատ, Ու տակավին այնտեղ կեցած Կըսավառնեն հոգիացած։ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 Azat jan it was in my room / office hanetsy mejter el jar chka / yes el qez n@man Acrobat ho chem "who gets ready in advance" Azat jan yete kArroranayi hima el k@gnayi lsy @skzbits kartsum eyi te Qun@s em kortsrel amborj gisher gluxs ashxatum e hima haskatsa vor voch te qun@s em kortsrel iyl Xelqs el het@ ches havatum ?? arden sksel em grel@ nayi mi hat Ughti e kertam Yerkir HAyrenyats 14 lusin antsav iyn orits inch ught aretsy “Ughtum em gnal yerkirn HAyrenyats” Syuniq Gavari Ughtasar yelnel Yetqn el m@k@rtel Zavak@s Iynter ba tesnum es - tsndel em arden ban chka - qich mnats 4 orits Amstedam hasnem mi qich read light district cruse anem mi 2 barekamneri tesnem 3jam - heto el 3.30 jamits Yerevan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted June 1, 2004 Report Share Posted June 1, 2004 Arpa es inch k@rak@ @enka yes Uxtasar bartsranal@ mets problema / #1 vor janaparhner@ pak en / miyayn dzev@ votqov e #2 haziv verev hasanq ( kes janpan ) / en el zinvorakan post en drel #3 nortits nergev ijanq / hima tuyltvutyun enq vertsrel / vor tornen verev #4 esor kam var@ NORITS PETQE PORTSNENQ / te andzrevner kangnen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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