nairakev Posted June 7, 2001 Report Share Posted June 7, 2001 quote:Originally posted by ara baliozian:Our leadership has known this for some time; hence, their unspoken slogan: "There is no business like shoah business."what is that, ara? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boghos Posted June 7, 2001 Report Share Posted June 7, 2001 Shoah is how Jewish people refer to the Holocaust. It is a word play with "There is no business like show business". Most recent and controversial book on the subject is this one: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/185...4965249-1079741 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairakev Posted June 7, 2001 Report Share Posted June 7, 2001 quote:Originally posted by Boghos:Shoah is how Jewish people refer to the Holocaust. It is a word play with "There is no business like show business". Most recent and controversial book on the subject is this one: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1859847730/qid=991950083/sr=1-1/re f=sc_b_1/107-4965249-1079741://http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/A...4965249-1079741://http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/A...4965249-1079741://http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/A...4965249-1079741://http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/A...4965249-1079741://http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/A...4965249-1079741://http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/A...4965249-1079741Beau gosse,I've found about the existence of this book three days ago, much before that I've found about the existence of another book which was written by an Israeli philospher Auron Yair. What Finkelstein had said is not new! What is special? Is that he dared to say that. He - a son of jewish survivors of Holocaust. He said alos that if it was non-jewish in his place, he would have been classified as an anti-semith. Actually jews do not realise how much they should thank this guy who saved them from another holocaust. Paradoxically most of israeli jews cannot get this book! Undeclared boycott??? May be!I was wondering what did ara mean putting this right after Checkov's citation? I feel like I didn't get his point...so I asked that question.Ara, what do you mean?[ June 07, 2001: Message edited by: naira ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boghos Posted June 7, 2001 Report Share Posted June 7, 2001 OK, darling, I was never doubting your scholarship and knowledge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairakev Posted June 7, 2001 Report Share Posted June 7, 2001 quote:Originally posted by Boghos:OK, darling, I was never doubting your scholarship and knowledge.LOL... Je t'adore Paoulo! Flatte-moi encore, encore, encore bébé. J'adore ça! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ara baliozian Posted June 8, 2001 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2001 FROM MY DIARY+++++++++++++++++++++++++An Armenian poetess calls to inform me she is donating the royalties of her next book to Etchmiadzin. I don’t have the heart to tell her I have been in this business for a quarter of a century and I have never heard of an Armenian writer who has made two cents from royalties. But I suspect she already knows. Armenians have an amazing gift for pretending not to know the obvious and to be an expert on any given subject. ***In a letter from a friend: "If, as you say, Armenian literature is a dead end, why not give up writing?" I write for two totally non-literary reasons: to fight boredom and to acquire friends; and with every book I have published, I have acquired a new friend; also (alas!) two enemies. ***Chekhov: "Love, friendship, respect do not unite people as much as common hatred for something." Our leadership has known this for some time; hence, their unspoken slogan: "There is no business like shoah business." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ara baliozian Posted June 8, 2001 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2001 Chekhov tells us hatred unites people more effectively than any other sentiment.Our leaders keep promoting hatred of the turks because they think if they stop doing that we may scatter away, get lost in the crowd, and they may end up with no one to lead.Lead where?That’s what I would like to know….Maybe you can provide an answer…./ara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairakev Posted June 9, 2001 Report Share Posted June 9, 2001 quote:Originally posted by ara baliozian:Chekhov tells us hatred unites people more effectively than any other sentiment.Our leaders keep promoting hatred of the turks because they think if they stop doing that we may scatter away, get lost in the crowd, and they may end up with no one to lead.Lead where?That’s what I would like to know….Maybe you can provide an answer…./araAra,you are my answer! I don't hate turks after all effort done by ultra-nationalist armenians who are trying to speculate the genocide commited by turks as a an arm to spread the hatrid towards turks.I don't beleive in power of hatrid. I believe in power that "hatrid" spreaders can create.I never let myself gone by hatrid. Once in Russia I was queueing in "Bakery" and suddenly the crowd arround me in that queue got furious. I heard many people shouting "Damn Armenians", "We should send them back to their country", "they are all bloodsuckers", "dirty pigs" etc....For a second I thought that I'm going to loose my mind. It was very violent. I was in that queue in I did'nt realise that a gipsy lady pushed an old Russian woman and bought her bread without queueing.I was dump, wordless. Frightened and small. I couldn't say anything, because I've seen this small mass of people becoming a huge danse energy of "hatrid". In front of me there was a Russian woman, she didn't look like a teacher neither like a librarian. She was most probably a worker from the Beer Brewery plant, which was not far from the place.She turned her head and lokked at me, while people where shouting and yelling behind the gispsy women who went out.It was just a moment when her eyes crossed mines. She turned her had and she said "Don't you see she is not Armenian".And another man took the relay by saying:"Yeah, Armenian women do not use foul language. It was a gipsy". And suddenly the whole atmosphere have changed. People who were saying the dirtest things on Armenians started to contradict by themselves "their women are polite", "they do not wear dirty cloths" and bla-bla-bla.I came home and I was trambeling.I had a bunch different feelings that I cannot replay now.Many years later... I still remember this. And I think that there is nothing uglier on earth to hate someone because of his skin, origin, religion, the way of walking, talking or eating...I don't really believe that those who spread "hatrid" will succeed to have fidel followers. There will be always a woman (alike that blond fat Russian plant-worker) who will doubt, at least.Doubting is a huge reconciliation tool.What does actually today some ultra-nationalist liga in Jewish Intelligentsia statds in the same row with those armenian "intellectuals" who spread desinformation and hatrid...I side nothing but my doubts, honey![ June 09, 2001: Message edited by: naira ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ara baliozian Posted June 9, 2001 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2001 if i were a bishopi would say:God bless you, my child! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 9, 2001 Report Share Posted June 9, 2001 Well what is sure is that on this side of the border hatred is everywhere. You can write long disserations about promoting friendship between turks and armenians or slamming those who run shoah business, the reality is we are not living and armenians in Armenia don't live in peaceful Canada but in one of the most explosive regions of the world and there is no place for idealistic feelings here and nice speeches about friendship but the reality. Those who live in the confort of their homes in America shouldn't give lessons to armenians of Armenia who live under the constant threat of the turkish military. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 9, 2001 Report Share Posted June 9, 2001 Sorry for my name. Originally I did not intend to come to this part of the forum that's why I have such a name . I am not saying we should hate anybody . All I am saying is we should be wary of idealistic feelings in a world ruled by not so idealistic people. And as for those who seem ready to talk Naira jan believe me if there was a person who was sincere about talking with us he wouldn't survive very long here. There are two three people like that who are constantly under attack and who live abroad and those people can in no way change the mentality of the decision makers. Those who make decisions are those who drive tanks and hold G3s and wear uniforms. It has always been like that. That cannot change I don't believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairakev Posted June 9, 2001 Report Share Posted June 9, 2001 quote:Originally posted by ara baliozian:if i were a bishopi would say:God bless you, my child!Hopefuly, you are not a bishop! Do you regret? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairakev Posted June 10, 2001 Report Share Posted June 10, 2001 quote:Originally posted by poetry:Well what is sure is that on this side of the border hatred is everywhere. You can write long disserations about promoting friendship between turks and armenians or slamming those who run shoah business, the reality is we are not living and armenians in Armenia don't live in peaceful Canada but in one of the most explosive regions of the world and there is no place for idealistic feelings here and nice speeches about friendship but the reality. Those who live in the confort of their homes in America shouldn't give lessons to armenians of Armenia who live under the constant threat of the turkish military.Petry, you do not seem to ba a liric ...boy!Why do you blackmail this art?I lived in Armenia, and I know where it is and it is. I still got lots of ties with my closest friends and family.I know there is a threat from the Turkish side. But saying that we should hate them would sound a way to nowhere. I mean we can't live under the turkish threat ideology constantly. We should look the ways out of this "explosive" situation.One of those ways is to talk with turks, at least, with those who are willing to talk.We are confronting Turkey since centuries. If we want it to stop, then we should try to change Turkey's mentality. But first let's start from us... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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