Urgent-Revolution in Armenia .

[Goga]

Some minutes ago when I was working at my office, Suddenly I saw a crowed of people walking towards Bagramyan str.,through the window . They were shouting “Demirchyan” and calling the others to gather them.

[Goga]

Among the crowed I saw Arshak Sadoyan and A.Bazeyan .....

[takavor]

We should all hope that the issue of the election won't seriously destabilize Armenia.

 

Our enemies will see it as a weakness.

 

The OSCE observers are spreading exagerrated news about irregularities. Bullshit. In any country in the world, including US, France, England, there are to some extent irregularities during elections.

[Arpa]

Yezan Trik smells more pleasant than "bullshit".

Let the OAssCE(lapdogs of the Turk) mind their own backyard. In case one may have forgotten, remember the assinine "chad" incident at Miami Dade, Gore vs Bush fiasco.

Anybody remember the biblical adage of "physician heal thyself"? As far as I am concerned, they, the OSCE, can take their "bible" and stuff it. We don't believe in it, we should have never replaced our own "girq" with that written by the most xenophobic and elitist of them all.

OSCE! Get the F... out of Yerevan! We know what is best for us!

Do we?

Go back back where you came from. Is it Tel Aviv or is it Brooklyn?!!

[MJ]

According to the preliminary information, the elections in Armenia have been conducted with significant falsifications - especially by the army. The official statistics claims that Kocharyan has "received" 49.8% of the vote. With all the vote rigging that has been practiced, this implies that. to steel another 0.2% plus 1 person was not hard enough for the regime. The number only attests to the fact that by the order of the executive powers of Armenia, they have decided not to claim victory - perhaps the evidence of falsifications is too significant. The opposition claims that the primary falsification is in claiming that about 1.5 million people have participated in elections, which implies voting by significant numbers of "dead souls."

 

The formal outcome is a second stage of elections. Another outcome is the regimes resignation conditional to Demirchian's issuance of a pardon to some key players in the regime.

 

In any case, this may be the beginning of the end of the plunderers of the nation - especially for stealing the dignity of this nation from the people.

 

OSCE is not the culprit here but the criminal regime in Armenia.

 

P.S. According to alternative sources of information, Demirchian has gotten about or more of 70% of the vote.

 

[ February 20, 2003, 08:46 AM: Message edited by: MJ ]

[MJ]

Perhaps this smells "Elt'sin scenario."

[THOTH]

MJ - I agree with you. Funny how Armenians can agree that things are pretty messed up - but will absolutly refuse any assistance to clean things up. (Its not just Armenians I realize who are like this). Its so important that they get it right IMO. Armenian democracy is vital for the nation and for its future bargaining position vis a vis the West. Without it I fear others will easily be able to scapegoat and margianilze us again. We are in very precarious times...

[MJ]

Only the people inside Armenia can clean things up. No external force can do it. And it apears that the people of the Republic this time they are on the track of doing the long overdue cleaning.

[Harut]

MJ, the same post-election martches took place in 1996 too. i think you remember the series of actions.

but what changes did that make?

 

the same things happen today.

[Harut]

i don't just blame the government for the corruption and lawless situation in Armenia.

true that its the government's responsibilities to take care of those things. but people don't move a finger to help the government.

the same person who shouts anti-corruction "lozung"s during the meetings, bribes the policeman who stopped him on his way home.

 

ok ok, i won't continue for now to save my nerves.

[MJ]

Maybe you are right, Harut. After all, those who have pushed Armenia 50 years back, are the sons of the same Armenian nation. But, as in everything, there is a limit. Have we reached that limit, yet? The coming month will show, I guess.

[THOTH]

Yes MJ - I understand this. Just the same Armenia should welcome organizations such as OSCE IMO - just as the EU is perhaps pushing Turkey towards cleaning up itself a bit...

[MJ]

OSCE is welcome in Armenia for a little less than a decade, now. So are other international organizations. Armenia is a member of the EC, WTO, and other international organizations. Additionally, Armenia is totally dependent on World Bank, IMF loans and other foreign assistance. Or did you mean to say we have big mouths? Then, what's new?

 

As far as Turkey goes... I think it is too premature to make judgments at this threshold juncture about Turkey. Things may go either way. I hope Turkey overplays its hand so that its arrogance may be restrained. One or another way, something will change. I hope only that this Iraq ordeal can wrap up quickly.

[THOTH]

MJ - I hear you. And yes I understand OSCE and other orgs have been in Armenian for some time...so yes essentially the "big mouth" coment is what I was trying to say - something of the sort...(and the tendency to blame others for ones problems).

 

I think Turkey will come around...eventually (though not so likely short term - then again revolution implys quick change - and these are always hard to predict - and as you allude - hard to predict which way it will go....) - certainly much oppurtunity for failure in the meantime and plenty of Turks who could (again) make it happen...they have already been "blessed" wityh their Ataturk - leaders such as he come around only so often...the rest must muddle through in the meanwhile...

[Sasun]

Back then Vazgen Manukian and team decided not to pursue their cause in order to avoid violence which was imminent because of the tough stance of Vazgen Sargsian and Vano Siradeghian.

This time Yerkrapah didn't back any party which probably means the presidential camp will be unable to resort to violence if the opposition decides to challenge it in a more decisive fashion than in 1996.

But lets hope that both the presidential camp and the opposition will be prudent. Its a good thing that the opposition was given a chance of second round.

[takavor]

Armenia is starting with a heavy handicap. The Western powers are totally biased (pro-turkish).

They have so much interest in criticizing us, whenever they get the chance, and making us look bad.

 

That's why the country's unity is essential.

 

TOGETHER we cannot be be defeated.

 

Hope this election won't create unrest.

[MJ]

Incumbent Leads in Armenian Election

 

February 20, 2003

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

 

Filed at 9:14 a.m. ET

 

YEREVAN, Armenia (AP) -- Early returns showed President Robert

Kocharian ahead in Armenia's election Thursday, but the opposition

rejected the vote, charging fraud.

 

European observers said the vote count was ``flawed.'' Observers from

the Organization for Security and Europe and the Parliamentary

Assembly of the Council of Europe cited instances of ballot-box

stuffing and intimidation of candidates' representatives.

 

``Serious irregularities took place during the count in a number of

polling stations visited by international observers,'' the two groups

said in an official statement Thursday.

 

The allegations from observers and candidates suggested that the

elections, a key test of democracy that aimed to increase stability,

would instead exacerbate tensions in this poor, former Soviet nation.

 

Unofficial partial results gave Kocharian 52.5 percent, according to

the election commission. People's Party leader Stepan Demirchian and

National Unity Party leader Artashes Gegamian were in second and third

place, but it was unclear what percentage of ballots had been counted.

 

The Central Electoral Commission missed the legal deadline of 1

p.m. to announce official preliminary results, saying that harsh

winter weather had interfered with the vote tally.

 

About 5,000-6,000 Demirchian supporters gathered near the election

commission, listening to speakers who claimed Kocharian's team was

stealing the vote and chanting their candidate's name.

 

Hundreds of riot police, wearing helmets and carrying shields, formed

a tight chain around the election commission to prevent protesters

from entering.

 

Several opposition representatives managed to get inside and meet with

election commission officials.

 

``Enough waiting'' shouted Varshak Sadoyan, a member of parliament and

Demirchian supporter.

 

``They're holding the results because Kocharian wants to make this

election official, to rig votes,'' said Vagarshak Arusinian, a former

defense minister.

 

Kocharian had been widely expected to secure a first-round victory,

but Demirchian supporters claimed the president was short of the 50

percent needed for outright victory. A presidential spokesman, who

spoke on condition of anonymity, said Kocharian's share of the vote

was fluctuating between 46 percent and 56 percent as results came in.

 

Armenians had hoped the election, which saw voter turnout of 61.9

percent, would lead to higher living standards in this Caucasus

Mountain nation and a settlement of the conflict with Azerbaijan over

the enclave of Nagorno-Artsax.

 

But the vote seemed likely to fuel political quarrels.

 

Vardan Mkrchian, of Demirchian's campaign team, alleged that the

military was given ballots already marked in Kocharian's favor and

that not all ballot boxes were sealed.

 

The president's opponents blame him for nearly 30 alleged, unsolved

political killings in the past few years and for the widening gap

between rich and poor in this nation of 3.3 million.

 

They also blame him for failing to secure a final deal with Azerbaijan

over Nagorno-Artsax.

 

Backed by Armenia, Nagorno-Artsax forces fought a 1988-94 war with

Azerbaijan. Despite a cease-fire, the dispute remains unresolved, and

a resulting economic blockade by Azerbaijan and its regional ally

Turkey have left Armenia in an economic vise.

 

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/internatio...db408d4b0db0078

 

Copyright 2002 The New York Times Company

[joseph]

Are you telling me that Cocharians supporters are commiting fraud and the other candidates supporters are but saints and honest people .

So if one of the oposition parties candidate won the election then the elections are clean and no fraud .

why the oposition did not put Armenia and the Armenian people ahead of their personal ambitions and agree on one candidate to run against Cocharian .

Its the loosers slogan every where you go that they lost because of fraud commited by the other party.

The final joke is that the Comunist partys candidate is crying fraud and that when his father and the comunist party was runing the country we did have clean elections HE HE HE HA HA HA

[gamavor]

Usually in that part of the World those in power have the means to cheat. The others have the right to be cheated.

Armenia's "cleaning" as MJ said is long overdue, due to well known reasons. People do not need slogans, they need jobs, security and prosperity at a payable cost. That means less administration and BMW and Benz, less expensive traveling around the World, less bureaucracy, more respect for women and elderly, total freedom of the press and media, liberal foreign investment regime, tax brakes for small business and declaring half of the country offshore zone:)

 

Moses lead Jews 40 years in the desert until the last born in slavery had pass away so that no one had memories of what is slavery. The new Armenian President doesn't need to lead anybody in the desert, simply should say loud and clear "Armenians you are free"!

 

PS: If I had power in Armenia I would have abolish the custom/s:)

[MJ]

RUSSELL JOHNSTON: GROSS VIOLATIONS DO NOT ALLOW ESTIMATING

ELECTION PROCESS AS POSITIVE

 

YEREVAN, February 20 (Noyan Tapan). "The fact that the day

of the elections passed comparatively well is encouraging, but

the existence of gross violations does not allow us to consider

the process as a positive one on the whole," Head of the PACE

observation mission Lord Russell Johnston said during the

February 20 news conference devoted to the results of the

elections.

 

He pointed out that the mission of the delegation headed by

him was limited, contrary to the OSCE mission and his

impressions are for the most part positive. He appreciated the

process of organization of the elections. But the people who have

the opportunity to participate in the process of calculating the

votes were more critically disposed.

Taking into account these facts, the shortcomings

registered by the Council of Europe observers during the process

of calculation make it difficult to appreciate the elections.

Russell Johnston expressed confidence that Armenia has the

opportunity and human resources to hold perfect elections. "But

there are people involved in the organization of the elections

attempting to spoil the process by preventing people from

expressing their opinions freely and this fact arouses our

concern," he stated.

[MosJan]

OPPOSITION HOLDING MASS MEETINGS DEMANDS RECOGNIZE STEPAN DEMIRCHIAN WINNER OF PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS FEBRUARY 19

21.02.2003

 

/PanARMENIAN.Net/ In case the central electoral commission does not revise the returns of the presidential elections in Armenia and does not recognize Stepan Demirchian as the winner, on Sunday the opposition will hold a meeting again, after which it will make its way to president Robert Kocharian's mansion-house to demand his retirement. As reported by "Mediamax" agency, member of "Republic" party board Aram Sargsian said at an opposition meeting today, in which thousands participated. At present the meeting participants are walking to the building of the office of prosecutor general to "convey complaints on violations that have taken place in the course of the presidential elections February 19."

 

Reproduction in full or in part is prohibited without reference to "PanARMENIAN.Net"

[MJ]

Armenian opposition to take strong action in wake of polls - paper

 

Haykakan Zhamanak

20 Feb 03

 

YEREVAN

 

Excerpt from Naira Zograbyan report by Armenian newspaper Haykakan

Zhamanak on 20 February entitled "Only ballot boxes were transparent"

 

Opposition leaders are going to take resolute steps. Those who

participated in the 1996 and 1998 presidential elections say that

yesterday's presidential elections may be considered as the return of

all possible election violations.

 

Yesterday, the whole of the country's criminal potential directly led

by the authorities was used. Having involved pro-government MPs and

businessmen and using all possible election violations, they were

trying to fulfil an order to make incumbent President Robert Kocharyan

president once again. Journalists did not manage to check all

incoming reports of violations. There was almost no polling station

where Kocharyan's supporters were not trying to rig the ballot, and

they even applied some new technologies. For example, members of the

election commission at a polling station based in school No 96 in

Nor-Nork Yerevan community voted at 2000 1600 gmt to remove the most

active representatives of opposition candidates. Presidential

candidate Artashes Gegamyan's representative was ousted from the

polling station, and a protocol was drawn up that the latter had a bad

eyesight.

 

Yesterday, we asked all the nine headquarters of the presidential

candidates to comment on these facts.

 

We talked to Shavarsh Kocharyan at the election headquarters of the

People's Party of Armenia PPA : "A hard struggle is taking

place. State officials, criminal elements and members of election

commissions were acting together. All possible ways have been used to

falsify the elections. There were regions where they managed to become

masters of the situation by means of mass violations. But even in this

case, if the vote counting is held properly, the elections will end in

one stage, and People's Party leader Stepan Demirchyan will be the

winner."

 

The head of the PPA headquarters, Grigor Arutyunyan, added that in

these elections only the ballot boxes were transparent: "One thing is

obvious - this regime is doomed. They did not manage to provide the

necessary votes to secure Kocharyan's victory, though they put many

fake ballot papers into ballot boxes. If there are violations during

the vote counting, the people led by the opposition will have their

say."

 

Passage omitted: the head of Artashes Gegamyan's election

headquarters, Aleksan Karapetyan, tells about different violations,

the so-called "roundabout" when the same people go to vote in

different polling stations

 

The head of Artashes Gegamyan's election headquarters, Aleksan

Karapetyan, said that today the opposition had to take a serious

decision. "This means that we shall adopt a very serious decision

before taking very serious actions. If the authorities demonstrate

that they care nothing about the people's will, then the people should

also demonstrate who they want to spit at," Aleksan Karapetyan said.

 

Whilst everybody were actively working at the opposition headquarters,

it was calm at National Accord Party leader Aram Arutyunyan's and

United Armenians Party leader Ruben Avagyan's

headquarters. Presidential candidate Aram Arutyunyan informed us that

they had decided to have a rest and not to talk about the

elections. Ruben Avagyan said that they did not want to comment on

anything.

 

The headquarters of the National Democratic Union, which took part in

both 1996 and 1998 presidential elections, unequivocally announced

that today's presidential elections were much worse than the previous

two. "Armenia's history has never seen such shameful elections. In

terms of the use of dirty election technologies, these elections may

be viewed as the sum of the 1996 and 1998 elections," said the head of

National Democratic Union leader Vazgen Manukyan's headquarters,

Aleksandr Butayev. He added that though their candidate had signed a

joint statement with the other presidential candidates, he was for

stronger actions. However, Mr Butayev did not say what these strong

actions were and promised to tell us about them today, when

preliminary result would be known and the opposition would outline its

joint actions.

 

The head of Aram Karapetyan's headquarters, Ayk Babukhanyan, said:

"The state did not fulfil its obligations and created conditions for

criminal elements to use various threats, including physical

punishment, in order not to allow representatives of opposition

candidates and members of election commissions to make their

choice. The elections should be deemed invalid in several towns, in

particular in Echmiadzin and Artashat. We submitted information

concerning all the irregularities during the elections to the CEC and

the OSCE and other international organizations."

 

Kocharyan's election headquarters was the only one to assess these

elections as free and fair.

 

In spite of the shameful election violations, the opposition is aware

of the authorities' desire to declare Robert Kocharyan winner in the

first round. A member of the political board of the Anrapetutyun

Party, Aram Sarkisyan, told our correspondent: "It is obvious that we

have gained a victory and we shall be the owners of our victory at any

price."

 

Passage omitted: Demirchyan's supporters to meet in capital on 20

February

[MJ]

Sorry. Double post.

 

[ February 21, 2003, 04:49 PM: Message edited by: MJ ]

[MJ]

Last night I spoke to my old friend Haik and found that he is in good health and is recuperating after the infamous knife-stubbing incedent and, in his own words, the incident is "by 90% behind." I also learned that for several years they are maintaining a web page: www.iravunk.com .

 

SIM, or The Constitutional Right Union, is one of the oldest political organizations of the new era in Armenia. It has always remained a small organization so that not to get corrupt and to avoid the destiny of some other political organizations and parties in Armenia. However, it has always remained the most engaged, vociferous and principal political organization not deviating an inch from the agenda of the Independence of Armenia, the Unification of Karabagh with Armenia (and not the other way around), the regime of Constitutional Law.

 

Today, I found an interesting, in my view, interview with him. Here is its Armenian version - couldn't find an English version:

 

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-øñ»³Ï³Ý ï³ññ»ñÇ Ëñ³Ë׳Ýù, ÇëÏ Ï³½Ù³Ï»ñåÇãÝ áõ ѳÝÓݳñ³ñ³Ï³ÝÝ»ñ ïíáÕÁ Çß˳ÝáõÃÛáõÝÝ ¿ñ: гٳï³ñ³Í ¿ÇÝ Ñ³Ýó³•áñÍáõÃÛáõÝÝ»ñÝ áõ Ï»ÕÍÇùÝ»ñÁ: Ø»Ýù µáÕáùÝ»ñ »Ýù ëï³ó»É ÁÝïñ³Ï³Ý ï»Õ³Ù³ë»ñÇ •ñ»Ã» 60%-Çó: ʳËïí»É »Ý ÁÝïñ³Ï³Ý ûñ»Ýë•ñùÇ Ñ³Ù³ñÛ³ µáÉáñ Ñá¹í³ÍÝ»ñÁ: ²Ûë å³ñ³•³ÛáõÙ ³ÝÑݳñ ¿ å³ïÏ»ñ³óÝ»É, áñ ϳñ»ÉÇ ¿ ïÇñ»É áõ ëïñϳóÝ»É ÙÇ ³ÙµáÕç ÅáÕáíñ¹Ç: ²Ûë ³Ù»ÝÁ ëïÇåáõÙ ¿ ³ë»É, áñ øáã³ñÛ³ÝÁ å³ñïí³Í ¿, ÅáÕáíáõñ¹Á ѳÕÃ»É ¿ áõ ß³ï ßáõïáí ³Û¹ ѳÕóݳÏÁ Ϲ³éݳ ßáß³÷»ÉÇ:

 

-Ò»ñ Ýϳñ³•ñ³ÍÇ ýáÝÇ íñ³ ³ñ¹Ûá±ù ½³ñٳݳÉÇ ãÇ ÑÝãáõÙ ²äÐ ¹Çïáñ¹³Ï³Ý ³é³ù»ÉáõÃÛ³Ý Ñ³Ûï³ñ³ñáõÃÛáõÝÁ:

 

-гí³Ý³µ³ñ »ñµ»ÙÝ ÷á˳¹³ñÓ É³íáõÃÛáõÝ ³Ý»Éáõ ï³ñµ»ñ³ÏÝ»ñ »Ý •áñÍáõÙ: áõó»»õ ³Û¹ ïñ³Ù³µ³ÝáõÃÛáõÝÝ ¿ ³ß˳ï»É øáã³ñÛ³ÝÇ Ñ³Ý¹»å:

 

-¸ñ³Ý ѳí³Ý³µ³ñ Ýå³ëï»É ¿ ݳ»õ ³½•³ÛÇÝ áõÝ»óí³ÍùÇ Ñ³ÝÓÝáõÙÁ èáõë³ëï³ÝÇÝ:

 

-гí³Ý³µ³ñ ¹³ »õë Çñ ¹»ñ³Ï³ï³ñáõÃÛáõÝÝ áõÝ»ó³í: ä»ïù ¿ ÝϳïÇ áõÝ»Ý³É Ý³»õ ³ÛÝ •áñÍáÝÁ, áñ ²äÐ »ñÏñÝ»ñÇó áñ»õ¿ Ù»ÏÁ ¹»é»õë ãÇ Ñ³ë»É ÅáÕáíñ¹³í³ñáõÃÛ³Ý ³ñ»õÙïÛ³Ý ã³÷³ÝÇßÝ»ñÇÝ:

 

îíÛ³É Ñ³Ûï³ñ³ñáõÃÛ³Ý å³ñ³•³ÛáõÙ ËáëáõÙ ¿ áã û ûµÛ»ÏïÇíáõÃÛáõÝÁ, ³ÛÉ ù³Õ³ù³Ï³ÝáõÃÛáõÝÁ: úµÛ»ÏïÇíáõÃÛ³Ý »õ ù³Õ³ù³Ï³ÝáõÃÛ³Ý ß³Ñ»ñÁ ïíÛ³É ¹»åùáõ٠ѳϳëáõÃÛ³Ý Ù»ç Ùï³Ý, ÇëÏ ³Û¹ ѳÛï³ñ³ñáõÃÛáõÝÝ ¿É áã ³ÛÉ ÇÝã ¿ñ, ù³Ý ù³Õ³ù³Ï³Ý å³ïí»ñ: ´³Ûó ϳ ݳ»õ º²ÐÎ ¹Çïáñ¹³Ï³Ý ËÙµÇ Ñ³Ûï³ñ³ñáõÃÛáõÝÁ, áñÁ ß³ï ³í»ÉÇ ûµÛ»ÏïÇí ¿, ù³ÝÇ áñ ³Û¹ Ù³ñ¹ÇÏ ³í»ÉÇ É³í »Ý Ñ³ëϳÝáõÙ ÅáÕáíñ¹³í³ñáõÃÛ³Ý á•ÇÝ »õ ٻ˳ÝǽÙÝ»ñÁ, »õ »ñÏñáñ¹, Ýñ³Ýó å³ñ³•³ÛáõÙ ù³Õ³ù³Ï³ÝáõÃÛáõÝÁ ãѳϳë»ó ûµÛ»ÏïÇíáõÃÛ³ÝÁ:

 

-²Ûëûñ ³é³íáïÇó ù³Õ³ùáõÙ ßÇϳó³Í ÙÃÝáÉáñï ¿, ÇëÏ áÙ³Ýù ¿É »Ýó¹ñáõÙ »Ý, áñ ³é³çÇϳÛáõÙ ³ÝËáõë³÷»ÉÇ »Ý ÉÇÝ»Éáõ µ³ËáõÙÝ»ñÁ: ºñÏñáñ¹ ÷áõÉÁ ϽëåDZ ÝÙ³Ý µáñµáùáõÙÝ»ñÁ:

 

-àõ½áõÙ »Ù ÷³ëï»É, áñ ³ÙµáÕç å³Ûù³ñÝ ÁÝóó»É ¿ Ù»Ï Ýå³ï³ÏÇ Ñ³Ù³ñ. Áݹ¹ÇÙáõÃÛáõÝÁ »õ ÅáÕáíáõñ¹Ý áõ½»É »Ý ûñ»Ýùáí »õ ³ñ¹³ñ ÁÝïñáõÃÛáõÝÝ»ñ ³ÝóϳóÝ»É: øáã³ñÛ³ÝÝ áõ Ýñ³ ùñ»³Ï³Ý áÑÙ³ÏÝ»ñÝ áõ½»É »Ý ³åûñÇÝÇ »õ ³Ý³ñ¹³ñ ÁÝïñáõÃÛáõÝÝ»ñ ³ÝóϳóÝ»É: ²ÛëÇÝùݪ ѳë³ñ³ÏáõÃÛáõÝÁ ó³ÝϳÝáõÙ ¿ ÅáÕáíñ¹³í³ñ³Ï³Ý, ³ß˳ñÑáõÙ ÁݹáõÝí³Í ÙÇçáóÝ»ñáí Ó»õ³íáñ»É Çñ »ñÏñÇ Çß˳ÝáõÃÛáõÝÁ: ÆëÏ øáã³ñÛ³ÝÝ Çñ ßñç³å³ïáí ÷áñÓáõÙ ¿ áõ½áõñå³óÝ»É Çß˳ÝáõÃÛáõÝÝ áõ µéÝ³Ý³É ÅáÕáíñ¹Ç ϳÙùÇ íñ³: ºÃ» ÅáÕáíñ¹ÇÝ Ñݳñ³íáñáõÃÛáõÝ ïñíÇ ûñ»Ýùáí ë³ÑÙ³Ýí³Í ϳñ•áí ³ñï³Ñ³Ûï»É Çñ ϳÙùÁ, ãÇ ÉÇÝÇ »õ áã ÙÇ µéÝáõÃÛáõÝ:

 

-Àëï Ò»½, Áݹ¹ÇÙáõÃÛ³Ý Ã»ÏݳÍáõÝ»ñÁ Ïϳñáճݳ±Ý ã³÷³íáñ»É Çñ»Ýó ³ÙµÇódzݻñÝ áõ ѳݹ»ë •³É Ùdzëݳµ³ñ:

 

-²Ýå³ÛÙ³Ý å»ïù ¿ ÉÇÝÇ ÙdzëÝ³Ï³Ý ×³Ï³ï: ºë ³ÝÁݹѳï Ëáë»É »Ù ³Û¹ Ù³ëÇÝ: »¯ Ù»ñ Ïáõë³ÏóáõÃÛáõÝÁ, û¯ ßï³µÁ, û¯ ²ñ³Ù γñ³å»ïÛ³ÝÁª áñå»ë ûÏݳÍáõ, Ùßï³å»ë ³Û¹ ׳ϳïÇ ÏáÕÙݳÏÇóÝ »Ýù »Õ»É, ç³ï³•áíÝ áõ Çñ³Ï³Ý³óÝáÕÁ: ²ÛëáõÑ»ï ³Û¹ ׳ϳïÝ ³é³í»É ÙdzÓáõÛÉ å»ïù ¿ ß³ñáõݳÏÇ •áñÍ»É: êó÷ •Ý³Ñ³ï³Ï³ÝÇ ¹»åùáõÙ Áݹ¹ÇÙ³¹Çñ áõÅ»ñÁ, ³Ûá¯, Ïëï»ÕÍ»Ý ³Û¹ ÙdzëÝ³Ï³Ý ×³Ï³ïÁ, ã»Ý •Ý³ áñ»õ¿ •áñͳñùÇ Çß˳ÝáõÃÛáõÝÝ»ñÇ Ñ»ï:

 

-´³ó³éá±õÙ »ù ³Û¹ å³ñ³•³Ý:

 

-ºë ó³ÝϳÝáõÙ »Ù µ³ó³é»É:

 

-ÆëÏ »Ã» ³Ûëûñ µáÉáñÇÝ Ñáõ½áÕ Ñ³ñóÇÝ Ùáï»Ý³Ýù ûµÛ»ÏïÇíáõÃÛ³Ý ï»ë³ÝÏÛáõÝDZó...

 

-àõñ»ÙÝ, ³Ûë ÁÝïñáõÃÛáõÝÝ»ñÁ å»ïù ¿ ã»ÕÛ³É Ñ³Ûï³ñ³ñ»É, áñáíÑ»ï»õ Ñ»Ýó ³é³çÇÝ ÷áõÉÇ ³ñ¹ÛáõÝùÝ»ñÇó »ñ»õáõÙ ¿, áñ ÝáñÙ³É ûñÇÝ³Ï³Ý ÁÝïñáõÃÛáõÝÝ»ñÇ å³ñ³•³ÛáõÙ ¸»ÙÇñ×Û³ÝÁ ѳÕÃ³Ý³Ï Ïï³Ý»ñ:

 

²ÛÝ å³ÑÇó, »ñµ ÇÙ ¹»Ù ٳѳ÷áñÓ Ï³½Ù³Ï»ñåí»ó, ѳÛïÝ»óÇ ³ÛÝ Ï³ñÍÇùÁ, áñ å»ïù ¿ ¹³¹³ñ»óí»Ý ÁÝïñáõÃÛáõÝÝ»ñÁ: ºÃ» µáÉáñÇ ³ãùÇ ³é³ç, Ù³ñ½Ï»ÝïñáÝÇ Ññ³å³ñ³ÏáõÙ, ûñÇÝ³Ï³Ý Ñ³Ýñ³Ñ³í³ùÇ Å³Ù³Ý³Ï å³ï•³Ù³íáñÇ ¹»Ù ٳѳ÷áñÓ ¿ ϳï³ñíáõÙ, ÇëÏ å»ïáõÃÛáõÝÝ Çñ í³ñù³•Íáí ³å³óáõóáõÙ ¿, áñ Ñ»Ýó Çß˳ÝáõÃÛáõÝÝ ¿ ϳï³ñ»É ³Û¹ ٳѳ÷áñÓÁ, µÝ³Ï³Ý ¿, áñ ÝÙ³Ý ÙÃÝáÉáñïáõÙ Ñݳñ³íáñ ã¿ ûñÇݳíáñ ÁÝïñáõÃÛáõÝÝ»ñ ³ÝóϳóÝ»É:

¼ñáõÛóÁª öÆðàô¼² غÈÆøêºÂÚ²ÜÆ

 

http://www.iravunk.com/arm/2003/02/m1202.html

 

P.S. Sorry, I have forgotten how to make the texts in Armenian show properly. Could the moderators help? The text is written in Courier AM font.

 

[ February 21, 2003, 05:19 PM: Message edited by: MosJan ]

[MJ]

Thanks, Movses. It seems that the letter "g" is being compiled as "mn" in the text.