Paul bunyan Posted June 10, 2001 Report Share Posted June 10, 2001 Gayane, yes ok a final end to this whole nutty business about Armenians condoning murder a most throughlly evil sin suffice to say I don't think ANY woman is going to sit by while some unChristian bigot murders her beloved with women love is the reason for existance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJ Posted June 10, 2001 Report Share Posted June 10, 2001 Paul, it is so hard to read your materials. Could you use at least some punctuation, please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aurguplu Posted June 21, 2001 Report Share Posted June 21, 2001 hi everybody i tried to hold this back as long as i could, but i can't help it anymore. i check into hye forum, see LOVE AND ROMANCE as a heading to the left, and "is it ok to kill someone just because blah blah blah blah" to the right. aaaaargh! scream! we were the barbarians and you were the civilised ones, remember? what happened to you? regards, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThornyRose Posted June 21, 2001 Report Share Posted June 21, 2001 It is funny the way we call “honour killings” that take place in the Southeast, “barbaric,” yet you see some people actually condoning that. It is funny how we hate parents who are too nosey with the excuses that they are looking out for their [allegedly] half-witted daughters, yet some here try to brand it different.If this happens in a country where the folks are mostly Muslim, it is “barbaric honour killings, action alert, write to the UN, etc.”... Elsewhere, it is “preserving culture,” because, hell, they are Europeans and/or Christians and were using toilets with golden rims while Muslims were doing their poop in holes and pots if not out in the field or just beneath the wall of the back yard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyebruin Posted July 31, 2001 Report Share Posted July 31, 2001 my question to whoever posed the question is: does other people's love life/sex life threaten YOUR armenian identity? or the preservation of YOUR people??? Doesn't make sense, does it? I think that just because someone's born into an armenian family does not automatically 'qualify' them as Armenian; it's got to be in your soul... just like some christians doing 'un-christian things'....besides anytime you hurt someone in any way ...it WILL come back to you and KARMA WILL BITE YOU IN THE BUTT! i think we should let others be and live any way they want; we cannot judge BUT we can teach our children what we feel is right and wrong and hope that they will be good people, kind, stay armenian, whatever...~~~~what this world needs is less hate and anger and more love, sweet love ...divine love and peace~~~~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragon Posted July 31, 2001 Report Share Posted July 31, 2001 ''Devine love and peace''Are my mother's needsWhat do I need nowIs vodka, sex and art Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyebruin Posted August 1, 2001 Report Share Posted August 1, 2001 hey dragon, I can and DO appreciate your humor; that was almost poetic...ahhh! pretty funny! hmmm...just vodka and art huh? whatever happened to whipped cream, strawberries, champagne, whips and chains(just kidding...about the last part) heheheheheheh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mankun Posted August 6, 2001 Report Share Posted August 6, 2001 it is a precious virtue to be able to say that descent to a group is based on feelings and mindset, and not just bloodlines passed down patrilineally. it is not Armenians only with this problem. we all have it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mankun Posted August 8, 2001 Report Share Posted August 8, 2001 this is from real personal observance and please do not take it serious or personal: 8 years ago, my best buddy (an ethnic Thai-Chinese) had gotten involved with an Armenian girl from Armenia. They lived in the Hollywood area of Los Angeles. The girl seemed to have issues with her parents and never seemed to smile. Their relation was extremely secretive. Eventually she got pregnant. Her family and the other Armenian neighbors got ballistic about it. It seemed like a semi lynch mob was about to form. They were totally 100% against and made it real hard for the girl and my friend. The thing that bothers me was that this friend of mines wasn't poor. In fact the girl's family were tenants living on the apartment owned by the boy's family. Soon, they did get married. Their beautiful boy was born. It was very uncomfortable for them to be seen together as a family in public in that Hollywood area. They would be stared at and I assumed taunted (because I don't understand Armenian). Sometimes, they would be harrassed by gangmembers. The girl's family have yet to this day see or touch the baby. Her parents soon moved out to Burbank and broke of contact with her since. It was hard for all of them. Soon, the boy's family sold the apartment and they too moved to Irvine in Orange County. This was the last I have heard from all of them. I really think it could have been avoided. I only feel for the kid. The friend of mine had really like Armenians and their history. But, I guess it was not enough? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJ Posted August 8, 2001 Report Share Posted August 8, 2001 quote:Originally posted by mankun:this is from real personal observance and please do not take it serious or personal:We won't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mankun Posted August 8, 2001 Report Share Posted August 8, 2001 great! I always knew that ethnic forums on the Internet are not representative of an entire people's viewpoint. Just like I see at various Chinese forums, it is the same here. The members who post tend to be enlightened, open-minded and in tune with the times. Very rarely do you find ignorant bigots who post their venom on the Internet. How would the biracial kid be directed if he were to seek his "other (Armenian) side of his heritage one day?" If he were to someday knock real hard at the doors, will he be truly allowed to see your home? marrying out is an inevitable reality one should come to terms with, especially if the decision was made to emigrate to a nation like the USA where there is always a "melting pot" mentality. It is really hard for ensuing generations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted August 9, 2001 Report Share Posted August 9, 2001 if people are moving to US then they should always be ready to accept consequencies.marrying to other ethnicies is totolly normal in US, and others who come here should accept that. if Armenian (or any other) doesn't like the way it is in US then he/she shouldn't move here. P.S. i don't like the American way. i can't wait to get away from US. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armine Posted August 9, 2001 Report Share Posted August 9, 2001 It is suprising to me as to how someone can even debate upon this topic. The word killing just makes things uncivilized. Since when is killing the right thing to do. We the Armenians are Christain, I'm sorry but in no where in the bible does it state that killing is right. I understand what the concern is, but killing someone does not solve the situation. Many Armenian girls nowadays are dating odars, I don't think there is much we can do about that, it comes from the person. To be honest I don't think it is the right thing to do, we are small in number already we do not need to diversify our culture any longer. Anyhow I think talking to a person and reasoning with them is more justified then killing them. Nothing can be solved by killing, it just opens more doors for more complex problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilafhead Posted August 9, 2001 Report Share Posted August 9, 2001 Aaron, You're so right about this thread, but I am amazed it lives on. If it were OK to kill a guy taking a Hye girl, my dad would have died decades ago! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armine Posted August 9, 2001 Report Share Posted August 9, 2001 Aaron Jan, I myself am a firm believer that Armenians can survive and previal in this world even though we live thousands of miles from our motherland. Let me give you the basis of my understanding. We the Armenians are the only people who can say that we have a diaspora besides the Greeks. From what i have been thaught the word diaspora means that a race have a deep connection with their motherland in three ways. Frist of all the race has to have strong ties with its motherland. Second of all they have to preserve and keep their culture alive. And third of all they must patronize the government and keep strong connections with them. That is who we are Aaron and since we have this diaspora we can survive. One of my friends tells me "if there is a will, then there is a way." Its all about unity, if we stick together and help one another we will prevail. That is all i have to say about that issue. Please do not misunderstand me. As for dating people from another race, its not that I am against it. I do believe in love and know that it is in human nature to pick nature over nurture. It is a human instict to follow their feelings and avoid the rational mind but that does not apply to all people. Many of my peers are dating odars and i DO condone that and wish them the best in the future. Many of them say that their is a point where nationality does not matter anymore and loves comes over all of that. Once again i wish them the best and respect them very much. True i would prefer that they date an Armenian but it is their life and I dont have the right to change that, because i would be taking over their rights and i wouldnt dare do so. The only problem for me is that i worry about our culture, where will the Armenian diaspora be in a hundred years, will it even exist? Will the generations after us even care who they are and where they come from? I want other Armenians, espesscially the yonger generation to feel a strong conection with their history and culture... i want them to feel it in their hearts and souls. I don't our people to just dissapear in the wind and just leave bits and pieces of things for museums. The future is what i am worried about, dating, which might lead to marraige is a small yet big factor in our future. Do you see what I am worried about Aaron? Let me know what you think . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragon Posted August 10, 2001 Report Share Posted August 10, 2001 Armo jan Du ko hayrenasirutiunu amraatsra,Menk el gnank mer kefin...odarneri hed BA~~~, inch a yeghel, megu polorin, polorn el megin edbes chi aziz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted August 10, 2001 Report Share Posted August 10, 2001 Armo,very well said. loving odar or marrying isn't big issue. but as it gets in bigger scale it might be dangerous for our nation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragon Posted August 10, 2001 Report Share Posted August 10, 2001 Harutik jan,Inch es kloukhut gortsrel medz hartseri mech gna man ari aghchigneri hed...mnatsyalu Aram A-u yev Karekin B-u gu dzzen ou gu pchen...vobshum...hayreniki ou azki kordzeru... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted August 10, 2001 Report Share Posted August 10, 2001 dragon, norits parap parap durs es talis.yete yes chmtatsem, du chmtatses, chem kartsum vor Aramn u Garegin@ kmtatsen. hamel karogh a mi or el yes em Catoghikos darnum, himikvanits chsksem mtatsel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragon Posted August 10, 2001 Report Share Posted August 10, 2001 Mdadzu mdadz a harutik Du menag yeladzin oushkut tir Vor menag chmunas Chvakhenas Mayram duduyin el bedk chunenas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragon Posted August 10, 2001 Report Share Posted August 10, 2001 Harutik,Du L. S. jarel es vor garas Amenayn Vayots linel? Menag harts em dalis...ourish vochinch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted August 10, 2001 Report Share Posted August 10, 2001 koghkt tegh batsgalis em motd vor menak chzgam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragon Posted August 10, 2001 Report Share Posted August 10, 2001 Va~~~y...yes el havadatsi, vodus vodis vra tri, vor kez el nusdelu degh dam mi kich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Posted August 10, 2001 Report Share Posted August 10, 2001 ArmoYou said that you don't personally agree with armenians (girl or guy) dating odars, this issue often surfaces in public conversations and i personnally don't agree with you. We are already few in number so we should try to preserve our culture and heritage, its true, but is that more important than the basic human instincts or feelings. I don't think you should stop dating or not date at all an odar because your nation is in danger of extinction (specially if you clik with that odar).Some might say ending up with odars doesn't necessarily mean losing armenian identity, that's true in maybe 20% of cases the rest are lost (just by looking around me). This confirms your point.Anyways, it is sad to notice it but it's true and as you said not much can be done about it.I firmly believe that a nation can not survive if not gathered in one location, not self governed and most importantly away from its motherland. (please don't bring the example of the jews as a comeback). About the 'killing' bull-shit, i have no coments (it really is bull-shit). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armine Posted August 10, 2001 Report Share Posted August 10, 2001 Dragon Jan, It sounds like you are offended by my post but there is no need to be. You are very mistaken if you think that i dont like odars. Just reread the post. I think you didn't really see what concerns me...As for Harout Aper, He knows what im talking about. Just to let you know, I adore odars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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