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:) hey, so they do speak armenian. just like they did 1700-2000 years ago. even if they didn't, to me they still are armenian. when Richard Hovhannisian(Raffi Hovhannisian's father) was in wester-Armenia, he met many of them in parson. According to him, the question of religion might still be there, but those people are now actively search to find the truth about their armenian origin.

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You never see me arguing with the likes of Zurqaqa. Not because to me it would be like playing with one’s own qaqa but the more we do the more we legitimize their position that the issue is a subject to debate.

 

A bad example, I accept AG. So you cannot discuss me about AG. or should you discuss me, because I am a turk?

 

 

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A bad example, I accept AG. So you cannot discuss me about AG. or should you discuss me, because I am a turk?

 

Because you are a turk who speculates the Armenian Genocide issue to gain the confidence of the Armenians. We have said no to a Trojan Horse long time ago. You claimed to be a grey worlf, just like the butchers from gray worlves terrorist organization.

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He is not a some guy, He is most famous artist of Blacksea. He died from cancer. His ethnicity is laz. He is the first one who sing at laz langauge. It is sad we lost him so early.

 

I was thinking this langauge as laz langauge

 

By the way, what is the meaning of ela(come at our langauge)? It should be greek langauge.

 

 

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I am also curious If all hemshins are armenians. (they are so wide spread at turkey.)

 

That's a lie designed by the turkish government. Moron, go back and read the previous posts. I have already posted an article about the study done in London on Hamshenahays. DNA shows they are armenians, and they want to be called armenian.

 

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johannes, i have to disagree,...the hamshens are not turk, they do not consider themselves turks, and the turks don't consider them as such.. they call them 'ermeni', just like they call us

Գացի այդ կայքը: թուրքիոյ մէջ ապրող համշէնցիներու քիչ տոկոսը ինքզինք հայ կը համարէ:

 

Նոյնիսկ հայախօսը ինքզինք թուրք ոսմանցի կը համարէ:

 

Կարդացի՞ր գրածը:

 

 

 

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Այնպիսի երկրի մը մէջ, որտեղ նոյնիսկ առաքելական եկեղեցւոյ անդամ հայը ասում է. թէ ինք թուրք է, ինչ կսպասես 300 (?) տարի առաջ թրքացած, սակայն հայախօս մնացած (երկրի դժուարահաս եւ սահմանային լինելու պատճառով) ժողովուրդէ մը: Նրանք չեն ուզում գլխացաւ, նրանք փնտռում են իրենց արմատը, մշակոյթը, սակայն «համշէնցի» անունի ներքոյ: Մարդկայինօրէն բարոյապէս իրաւունք չունենք նրանց հանգիստը խանգարելու:

 

Բայց գիտեմ որ իրանց մէջ կան եւ այնպիսիք, որոնք ինձմէ եւ ձեզմէ աւելի ազգայնական հայեր են, սակայն երեք ծաղիկով գարուն չգար: Շատ-շատ ծաղկեփունջ մը կուգայ:

 

Կացութիւնը կարելի է փոխուի եթէ Հայ պետութիւնը միջամտէ, բայց Հայաստանի պետութիւնը այնքան տկար է, որ չի կարողանում միջամտել Ջաւախքի հայերի իրաւունքի համար, ուր մնաց «թուրքիոյ» հայկական ծագումով թուրքերի համար միջամտելը: Մենք հայերս սիրում ենք հեքիաթները, հորինում ենք հեքիաթներ եւ պատմում ենք ու պատմում:

 

Այս եւ նման հեքիաթների համար մեր ազգը այսօրուայ ոչ նախանձելի դրութեան հասաւ:

 

Հեքիաթասէր եղել ենք, որովհետեւ դարերով օտարները իշխել են մեր վրայ: Մեր կորովը բարձր պահելու համար ոյժ տուել ենք երեւակայութեան: Պետութիւն չկորցրած (կամ երկար ժամանակ չկորցրած) ազգերը մեր նման հեքիաթասէր չեն: Նրանք կեանքի փորձով իրապաշտ դարձել են, քանզի նրանք իշխել են: 1+1=2 է նրանց մօտ: Իսկ մեր մօտ ինչ ասես չէ: Ահա նորահաս պատանիք քիչ մնաց որ Աստուած Պապան ալ հայ յայտարարեն: Կարելի է...այն ժամանակ հայերը «եան» մակդիրը չէին գործածում, այժմեան ընթերցանութեամբ կարելի է Աստուած Պապայեան կոչել արարիչը, որ հայ էր եւ մեր բոլորի պապան:

 

:D :D :D

 

 

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That's a lie designed by the turkish government. Moron, go back and read the previous posts. I have already posted an article about the study done in London on Hamshenahays. DNA shows they are armenians, and they want to be called armenian.

 

 

Hmm, I am not sure all hemsins are armenian or not but I am sure they dont call themself as armenian.

 

I should also add, Turkish goverment does not talk about hemsins. Dont accuse Goverment for everything. It is you armenians who refused Muslim armenians.

 

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That's a lie designed by the turkish government. Moron, go back and read the previous posts. I have already posted an article about the study done in London on Hamshenahays. DNA shows they are armenians, and they want to be called armenian.

There is no such thing as a DNA test for "Armenian-ness"! :o

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What about Zen Buddhist Armenians??

 

Nobody in my personal Armenian circle rejects me for my religious beliefs.

 

Only some in this Forum.

 

 

Hmm, I am not sure all hemsins are armenian or not but I am sure they dont call themself as armenian.

 

I should also add, Turkish goverment does not talk about hemsins. Dont accuse Goverment for everything. It is you armenians who refused Muslim armenians.

 

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zen buddhist armenian?

 

is that worse then being muslim armenian?....go figure

 

Neither one is better or worse than the other. An Armenian, like any other person in the world, has the right to chose and practice any religion.

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Hmm, I am not sure all hemsins are armenian or not but I am sure they dont call themself as armenian.

 

when Hrant Dink said I'm armenian and only a citizen of turkey, he was assassinated. millions of turkified armenians secretly speak armenian, but never admit it in open.

 

I should also add, Turkish goverment does not talk about hemsins. Dont accuse Goverment for everything. It is you armenians who refused Muslim armenians.

 

 

Genetic Research Excluded Turkish origin of Hamshen Armenians

 

 

 

06.12.2006

 

 

/PanARMENIAN.Net/ The initial results of the genetic research of Hamshen Armenians launched in 2003 have been received. As reported by Yerkramas, the newspaper of Armenians of Russia, quoting project director Levon Yepiskoposyan, the genetic DNA analysis taken from Hamshen Armenians of Krasnodar and Rostov regions was carried out on the London university college jointly with British colleagues. The genetic investigation showed the following:

 

-Hamshen Armenians represent rather isolated territorial group, Armenian origin of which make no doubt.

 

-The hypothesis advanced by Turkish scientists on the so-called Turkish origin of Armenian-speaking. Hamshens was completely refuted.

 

Some clarity was introduced in the problem of Hamshens’ homeland. To receive a final answer to this question the genetic history of Hamshens is being investigated.

 

Hamshen Armenians make the majority of the Armenian population of the Krasnodar region and some regions of Kuban and Adygea. They originate from the region of Hamshen of Western Armenia, who settled in Kuban after the Armenian Genocide in the Ottoman Empire. According to the experts, some 250 thousand Armenians live in Adygea and Abkhazia. The number of islamized Hamshen Armenians living in Turkey varies from 700 thousand to 1.5.2 million.

 

 

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There is no such thing as a DNA test for "Armenian-ness"! :o

 

:) but there is a think as a DNA test for "turkish-ness", right?

 

 

for a third time:

 

 

Genetic Research Excluded Turkish origin of Hamshen Armenians

 

 

 

06.12.2006

 

 

/PanARMENIAN.Net/ The initial results of the genetic research of Hamshen Armenians launched in 2003 have been received. As reported by Yerkramas, the newspaper of Armenians of Russia, quoting project director Levon Yepiskoposyan, the genetic DNA analysis taken from Hamshen Armenians of Krasnodar and Rostov regions was carried out on the London university college jointly with British colleagues. The genetic investigation showed the following:

 

-Hamshen Armenians represent rather isolated territorial group, Armenian origin of which make no doubt.

 

-The hypothesis advanced by Turkish scientists on the so-called Turkish origin of Armenian-speaking. Hamshens was completely refuted.

 

Some clarity was introduced in the problem of Hamshens’ homeland. To receive a final answer to this question the genetic history of Hamshens is being investigated.

 

Hamshen Armenians make the majority of the Armenian population of the Krasnodar region and some regions of Kuban and Adygea. They originate from the region of Hamshen of Western Armenia, who settled in Kuban after the Armenian Genocide in the Ottoman Empire. According to the experts, some 250 thousand Armenians live in Adygea and Abkhazia. The number of islamized Hamshen Armenians living in Turkey varies from 700 thousand to 1.5.2 million.

 

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