Aratta-Kingdom Posted March 10, 2007 Report Share Posted March 10, 2007 hey, so they do speak armenian. just like they did 1700-2000 years ago. even if they didn't, to me they still are armenian. when Richard Hovhannisian(Raffi Hovhannisian's father) was in wester-Armenia, he met many of them in parson. According to him, the question of religion might still be there, but those people are now actively search to find the truth about their armenian origin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zurderer Posted March 16, 2007 Report Share Posted March 16, 2007 You never see me arguing with the likes of Zurqaqa. Not because to me it would be like playing with one’s own qaqa but the more we do the more we legitimize their position that the issue is a subject to debate. A bad example, I accept AG. So you cannot discuss me about AG. or should you discuss me, because I am a turk? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aratta-Kingdom Posted March 16, 2007 Report Share Posted March 16, 2007 (edited) A bad example, I accept AG. So you cannot discuss me about AG. or should you discuss me, because I am a turk? Because you are a turk who speculates the Armenian Genocide issue to gain the confidence of the Armenians. We have said no to a Trojan Horse long time ago. You claimed to be a grey worlf, just like the butchers from gray worlves terrorist organization. Edited March 16, 2007 by Aratta-Kingdom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zurderer Posted March 16, 2007 Report Share Posted March 16, 2007 Yes, I am also at the dark side of force. But well, Darth Vader is much charismatic than Skywalker. Young Padawan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aratta-Kingdom Posted March 16, 2007 Report Share Posted March 16, 2007 zurd, your doctor is looking for you you will not be harmed little zurd. get out of hiding and take your pill... that's all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annannimusss Posted March 16, 2007 Report Share Posted March 16, 2007 So I did some searching on youtube and I found a guy who sings in the Hamshen dialect as well as Lazuri,Georgian,megrelian,Turkish. Here is a song tha sounds like the Hamshen dialect,Iam pretty sure it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zurderer Posted March 16, 2007 Report Share Posted March 16, 2007 He is not a some guy, He is most famous artist of Blacksea. He died from cancer. His ethnicity is laz. He is the first one who sing at laz langauge. It is sad we lost him so early. I was thinking this langauge as laz langauge By the way, what is the meaning of ela(come at our langauge)? It should be greek langauge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annannimusss Posted March 16, 2007 Report Share Posted March 16, 2007 I have to say that I do enjoy his music.I read about his lost battle with Cancer.I just re-read the article about him on Wiki,and I don't know how I missed the part about him being Laz the first time around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armenak Posted March 16, 2007 Report Share Posted March 16, 2007 So zurd, have you been to the Hamshen regions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zurderer Posted March 16, 2007 Report Share Posted March 16, 2007 He renewed blacksea musics. Anyway, do armenian dance like hemshins? I am also curious If all hemshins are armenians. (they are so wide spread at turkey.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KxGqlNE72I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zurderer Posted March 16, 2007 Report Share Posted March 16, 2007 So zurd, have you been to the Hamshen regions? Nope, I have hemshin friends, but not went hemşin. I am from trabzon, but their horons are like us. It is blacksea culture I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aratta-Kingdom Posted March 16, 2007 Report Share Posted March 16, 2007 I am also curious If all hemshins are armenians. (they are so wide spread at turkey.) That's a lie designed by the turkish government. Moron, go back and read the previous posts. I have already posted an article about the study done in London on Hamshenahays. DNA shows they are armenians, and they want to be called armenian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armenak Posted March 16, 2007 Report Share Posted March 16, 2007 Would a Russian Hamshenis be able to understand a Turkish Hamsheni? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johannes Posted March 17, 2007 Report Share Posted March 17, 2007 (edited) johannes, i have to disagree,...the hamshens are not turk, they do not consider themselves turks, and the turks don't consider them as such.. they call them 'ermeni', just like they call us Գացի այդ կայքը: թուրքիոյ մէջ ապրող համշէնցիներու քիչ տոկոսը ինքզինք հայ կը համարէ: Նոյնիսկ հայախօսը ինքզինք թուրք ոսմանցի կը համարէ: Կարդացի՞ր գրածը: Edited March 17, 2007 by Johannes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johannes Posted March 18, 2007 Report Share Posted March 18, 2007 Այնպիսի երկրի մը մէջ, որտեղ նոյնիսկ առաքելական եկեղեցւոյ անդամ հայը ասում է. թէ ինք թուրք է, ինչ կսպասես 300 (?) տարի առաջ թրքացած, սակայն հայախօս մնացած (երկրի դժուարահաս եւ սահմանային լինելու պատճառով) ժողովուրդէ մը: Նրանք չեն ուզում գլխացաւ, նրանք փնտռում են իրենց արմատը, մշակոյթը, սակայն «համշէնցի» անունի ներքոյ: Մարդկայինօրէն բարոյապէս իրաւունք չունենք նրանց հանգիստը խանգարելու: Բայց գիտեմ որ իրանց մէջ կան եւ այնպիսիք, որոնք ինձմէ եւ ձեզմէ աւելի ազգայնական հայեր են, սակայն երեք ծաղիկով գարուն չգար: Շատ-շատ ծաղկեփունջ մը կուգայ: Կացութիւնը կարելի է փոխուի եթէ Հայ պետութիւնը միջամտէ, բայց Հայաստանի պետութիւնը այնքան տկար է, որ չի կարողանում միջամտել Ջաւախքի հայերի իրաւունքի համար, ուր մնաց «թուրքիոյ» հայկական ծագումով թուրքերի համար միջամտելը: Մենք հայերս սիրում ենք հեքիաթները, հորինում ենք հեքիաթներ եւ պատմում ենք ու պատմում: Այս եւ նման հեքիաթների համար մեր ազգը այսօրուայ ոչ նախանձելի դրութեան հասաւ: Հեքիաթասէր եղել ենք, որովհետեւ դարերով օտարները իշխել են մեր վրայ: Մեր կորովը բարձր պահելու համար ոյժ տուել ենք երեւակայութեան: Պետութիւն չկորցրած (կամ երկար ժամանակ չկորցրած) ազգերը մեր նման հեքիաթասէր չեն: Նրանք կեանքի փորձով իրապաշտ դարձել են, քանզի նրանք իշխել են: 1+1=2 է նրանց մօտ: Իսկ մեր մօտ ինչ ասես չէ: Ահա նորահաս պատանիք քիչ մնաց որ Աստուած Պապան ալ հայ յայտարարեն: Կարելի է...այն ժամանակ հայերը «եան» մակդիրը չէին գործածում, այժմեան ընթերցանութեամբ կարելի է Աստուած Պապայեան կոչել արարիչը, որ հայ էր եւ մեր բոլորի պապան: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hosank Posted March 19, 2007 Report Share Posted March 19, 2007 once again, wise words Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zurderer Posted March 21, 2007 Report Share Posted March 21, 2007 That's a lie designed by the turkish government. Moron, go back and read the previous posts. I have already posted an article about the study done in London on Hamshenahays. DNA shows they are armenians, and they want to be called armenian. Hmm, I am not sure all hemsins are armenian or not but I am sure they dont call themself as armenian. I should also add, Turkish goverment does not talk about hemsins. Dont accuse Goverment for everything. It is you armenians who refused Muslim armenians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neko Posted March 21, 2007 Report Share Posted March 21, 2007 That's a lie designed by the turkish government. Moron, go back and read the previous posts. I have already posted an article about the study done in London on Hamshenahays. DNA shows they are armenians, and they want to be called armenian. There is no such thing as a DNA test for "Armenian-ness"! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hosank Posted March 22, 2007 Report Share Posted March 22, 2007 im sure they could come up with them... the christian hamshens call themselves hye. http://www.hamshen.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantom22 Posted March 22, 2007 Report Share Posted March 22, 2007 What about Zen Buddhist Armenians?? Nobody in my personal Armenian circle rejects me for my religious beliefs. Only some in this Forum. Hmm, I am not sure all hemsins are armenian or not but I am sure they dont call themself as armenian. I should also add, Turkish goverment does not talk about hemsins. Dont accuse Goverment for everything. It is you armenians who refused Muslim armenians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hosank Posted March 22, 2007 Report Share Posted March 22, 2007 zen buddhist armenian? is that worse then being muslim armenian?....go figure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zartonk Posted March 23, 2007 Report Share Posted March 23, 2007 zen buddhist armenian? is that worse then being muslim armenian?....go figure Neither one is better or worse than the other. An Armenian, like any other person in the world, has the right to chose and practice any religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hosank Posted March 23, 2007 Report Share Posted March 23, 2007 true.. but just like any person in the world can make the decision to kill or not to.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aratta-Kingdom Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 Hmm, I am not sure all hemsins are armenian or not but I am sure they dont call themself as armenian. when Hrant Dink said I'm armenian and only a citizen of turkey, he was assassinated. millions of turkified armenians secretly speak armenian, but never admit it in open. I should also add, Turkish goverment does not talk about hemsins. Dont accuse Goverment for everything. It is you armenians who refused Muslim armenians. Genetic Research Excluded Turkish origin of Hamshen Armenians 06.12.2006 /PanARMENIAN.Net/ The initial results of the genetic research of Hamshen Armenians launched in 2003 have been received. As reported by Yerkramas, the newspaper of Armenians of Russia, quoting project director Levon Yepiskoposyan, the genetic DNA analysis taken from Hamshen Armenians of Krasnodar and Rostov regions was carried out on the London university college jointly with British colleagues. The genetic investigation showed the following: -Hamshen Armenians represent rather isolated territorial group, Armenian origin of which make no doubt. -The hypothesis advanced by Turkish scientists on the so-called Turkish origin of Armenian-speaking. Hamshens was completely refuted. Some clarity was introduced in the problem of Hamshens’ homeland. To receive a final answer to this question the genetic history of Hamshens is being investigated. Hamshen Armenians make the majority of the Armenian population of the Krasnodar region and some regions of Kuban and Adygea. They originate from the region of Hamshen of Western Armenia, who settled in Kuban after the Armenian Genocide in the Ottoman Empire. According to the experts, some 250 thousand Armenians live in Adygea and Abkhazia. The number of islamized Hamshen Armenians living in Turkey varies from 700 thousand to 1.5.2 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aratta-Kingdom Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 There is no such thing as a DNA test for "Armenian-ness"! but there is a think as a DNA test for "turkish-ness", right? for a third time: Genetic Research Excluded Turkish origin of Hamshen Armenians 06.12.2006 /PanARMENIAN.Net/ The initial results of the genetic research of Hamshen Armenians launched in 2003 have been received. As reported by Yerkramas, the newspaper of Armenians of Russia, quoting project director Levon Yepiskoposyan, the genetic DNA analysis taken from Hamshen Armenians of Krasnodar and Rostov regions was carried out on the London university college jointly with British colleagues. The genetic investigation showed the following: -Hamshen Armenians represent rather isolated territorial group, Armenian origin of which make no doubt. -The hypothesis advanced by Turkish scientists on the so-called Turkish origin of Armenian-speaking. Hamshens was completely refuted. Some clarity was introduced in the problem of Hamshens’ homeland. To receive a final answer to this question the genetic history of Hamshens is being investigated. Hamshen Armenians make the majority of the Armenian population of the Krasnodar region and some regions of Kuban and Adygea. They originate from the region of Hamshen of Western Armenia, who settled in Kuban after the Armenian Genocide in the Ottoman Empire. According to the experts, some 250 thousand Armenians live in Adygea and Abkhazia. The number of islamized Hamshen Armenians living in Turkey varies from 700 thousand to 1.5.2 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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