Knight of Armenia Posted June 26, 2003 Report Share Posted June 26, 2003 Dude forget your heart. Try to use your brain for a change .. *Sigh* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted June 26, 2003 Report Share Posted June 26, 2003 Sip, It is not that they don't believe it happened. They just don't want to believe that it happened. Guilty consciousness. I have seen many convicts in my practice that denied their involvement of committing crime even though the factual and circumstantial proof was overwhelming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCarthyiologist Posted June 26, 2003 Report Share Posted June 26, 2003 Gamavor, in your practice, beside those suffering from schizophrenia, or bipolars during their manic phases, or those suffering from muliple personaly disorder, have you come accross one that deny his past identity ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of Armenia Posted June 26, 2003 Report Share Posted June 26, 2003 (edited) McCarthy*, You receive my personal e-mails, I told you, if you wanna take the risk, go ahead. Otherwise don't keep saying the same thing publicly, because you are pushing me into responding you. I don't wanna piss off Azat again with our "tag games". As I said, prepare your thesis that proves or "likely proves" that I am Togarma, post it in one shot in one of the forums that Azat wouldn't mind (and let me know where please), and I guarantee that I'll disprove your thesis in one shot. No hard feelings, Knight of Armenia -ADDITION 1- This is my last post until McCarthy* takes the risk, and posts his thesis instead of giving excuses such as he cannot post it openly because the laws of the forum doesn't allow it. Did the laws change since the time McCarthy* alleged I am Togarma and pasted Togarma's signature an hour ago? Azat, is there anything wrong about it in terms of forum laws? Mr. McCarthy*, you pushed yourself into a very bad position for no reason. I repeat: If you don't take the risk, you ain't getting nothin'. No honey without putting your hand between honeybees. If you are confident on your case go ahead take the risk, present your case publicly and face my immediate pub;ic disproval of your case, otherwise stop alleging that I am Togarma. Let this be a lesson, never dig yourself that deep for no reason. -END of ADDITION 1- Edited June 26, 2003 by Knight of Armenia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted June 26, 2003 Report Share Posted June 26, 2003 Sometimes even a sane person can react as one that suffers from any kind of ...phrenia, because hope dies last. Most of the time a sane person is able to realize the harsh consequences of his criminal behavior and that is the number one factor for his denying attitude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCarthyiologist Posted June 26, 2003 Report Share Posted June 26, 2003 McCarthy*, You receive my personal e-mails, I told you, if you wanna take the risk, go ahead. Otherwise don't keep saying the same thing publicly, because you are pushing me into responding you. I don't wanna piss off Azat again with our "tag games". As I said, prepare your thesis that proves or "likely proves" that I am Togarma, post it in one shot in one of the forums that Azat wouldn't mind (and let me know where please), and I guarantee that I'll disprove your thesis in one shot. No hard feelings, Knight of Armenia I will respect the rules of this forum, even if I would want to answer, who told you that my post to Gamavor concerned you ? yawn... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCarthyiologist Posted June 26, 2003 Report Share Posted June 26, 2003 Sometimes even a sane person can react as one that suffers from any kind of ...phrenia, because hope dies last. Most of the time a sane person is able to realize the harsh consequences of his criminal behavior and that is the number one factor for his denying attitude. Thanks for the answer, I was expecting that to be the cases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted June 26, 2003 Author Report Share Posted June 26, 2003 Dude forget your heart. Try to use your brain for a change .. *Sigh* So? What do you say? Are you going the HELL out of here?Are going to go back back where you came from? I don't mean your anayin am@ or Istanbul, Ankara, Adana, Kars or Igdir (rhymes with..), I mean where you came from... Sikbash, oops! again, I mean Sinkiang. The Chinese will love you as they always have. In case you have forgotten where that is....Click here;http://www.geocities.com/WestHollywood/Par...a/sinkiang.html I don't care where you as long as you go where there are no Armenians otherwise you will never a restful day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCarthyiologist Posted June 26, 2003 Report Share Posted June 26, 2003 (edited) -ADDITION 1- This is my last post until McCarthy* takes the risk, and posts his thesis instead of giving excuses such as he cannot post it openly because the laws of the forum doesn't allow it. Did the laws change since the time McCarthy* alleged I am Togarma and pasted Togarma's signature an hour ago? Azat, is there anything wrong about it in terms of forum laws? Mr. McCarthy*, you pushed yourself into a very bad position for no reason. I repeat: If you don't take the risk, you ain't getting nothin'. No honey without putting your hand between honeybees. If you are confident on your case go ahead take the risk, present your case publicly and face my immediate pub;ic disproval of your case, otherwise stop alleging that I am Togarma. Let this be a lesson, never dig yourself that deep for no reason. -END of ADDITION 1-Unlike you, I will be there when you will leave this forum, for you a warning or two it dosn't make any difference, but for me it does. As for evidences, I PMed you, and dared you to find any Turk that does what I showed you, you diverted, until you don't, you'll be ignored. Now stop doing like my old old friend Oz... Eri, Ozeri, Ozer or something born in 1962, having nothing to do and following me for years as an admiror would do, in fact, he was not the only friend of mine doing such, Cerkirge, Muradiye, Togarma, Wolfy were such people as well. Tell my Bostonian friends that I miss them a lot. Edited June 26, 2003 by McCarthyiologist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khodja Posted June 26, 2003 Report Share Posted June 26, 2003 Arpa, Please take hold of your senses here. Do you realize that the Chinese government has been helping Armenia with business help? Today's Anatolian Turks are more genetically Anatolian than East Asian. The problem is one of differing cultures, not genetics. We also have Mongolian genes in us. You can fight that idea all you want, but it is a fact. Your racist blather only gives strength to the unholy Turkish regime in Ankara. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted June 26, 2003 Report Share Posted June 26, 2003 The reference to Xinjiang is not funny. The unholy Chinese regime in Beijing has been brutalizing the populations of Xinjiang and Tibet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of Armenia Posted June 27, 2003 Report Share Posted June 27, 2003 (edited) Mr. MacCarthy, My friend, I told you ten times that I am not Togarma. I kindly told you that you're digging yourself further into the mud, and that you will make a fool out of yourself as you further allege that I am Togarma, but you didn't understand. Fine, sorry you didn't leave me a choice, there you go. http://www.turkey.com/forums/showthread.ph...?threadid=13331 Are you happy now? I'll tell you what, I really respect your enthisuaism, however I can explicitly see that you completely lack logic. My friend, assuming that I must be Togarma just because I say "yawn" and stuff like that is completely baseless and illogical. That is not an evidence. I'll tell you what you do wrong: You think that everything that fits with what you wanna believe in is an evidence. You should have searched "who could this guy be on T.com" by looking at the frequent phrases I use. Have you ever noticed how many times I said "my friend"? But you searched for "how can this guy be related to Togarma" !! See, you believe in something, you find random things to fit with your baseless allegations, you claim they are evidences, and voila, you proved it! That is called circular logic my friend, you can't go anywhere with that. Your arguments about the so-called genocide are no better. You go with the same circular logic. You keep posting lengthy opinions that fit with what you wanna believe in, and you believe that those are evidences or proofs ! You know what, I feel like 80 years later some guy like you is gonna keep posting PRs of Condi Rice, articles of Safire (NYTimes) and excerpts from Kristol's (Heritage Foundation) book in order to prove how Iraq's WMDs existed . There is no Togarma here, there's no genocide here. Take care, and like I said before: Her gordugun sakalliyi deden sanma. Let this be a lesson to you, don't dig yourself that deep into the mud again for no reason. Kotu Kedi. Edited June 27, 2003 by Knight of Armenia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCarthyiologist Posted June 27, 2003 Report Share Posted June 27, 2003 With all due respect, why don't you post "all" of the proves, but "some" of them ? 1/2 X 1/2 X 1/2 X 1/2 X 1/2 X 1/2 X 1/2 X 1/2 = 1/256 This is called statistics, I refered to evidences that each ones, even if supposing that half of the Turks may have those caracteristics, you would end up on 1/256. Now, for the sake of argument, why are you hidding the rest of the evidences ? Is it what you do at best, selectivity ? So you have a new loggin ? So as I can register names such as Doguhan, Togarama, Muradyie, Cerkirge, so as I can. Now like I said, return to the PM and bring me what I asked you. Untill than, you are ignored. And don't believe I don't want to answer, I respect the rules of the forums, some ban me and some don't, but I respect the rules. Now, if you have a warning don't cry at me, even if I wanted to expose you I respected the rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of Armenia Posted June 27, 2003 Report Share Posted June 27, 2003 Check when Kotu Kedi is registered on T.com, ask your friend Phantom if I am Togarma. I got nothing let to tell you or prove you or explain you, you proved what you are. You don't need a magnifier to see the elephant. And keep your probability analysis to yourself. This is my last post to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCarthyiologist Posted June 27, 2003 Report Share Posted June 27, 2003 (edited) Why leaving so soon ? Why not bringing the other evidences ? Of what are you afraid of ? Please don't leave... So you have registered in April 2003, long after Fadioglu was banned, long after Fadi_at_B was banned, but poor guy, he knew who I was, and refered to Togarma... Are your Bostonian friends missing you ? Oh OK, I guess you must leave me to go moderate the other board. Ah and the next time I PM you the link of an evidences from Turkey.com, please just don't log-in under your moderator account. When will you answer my PMs ? When will you provide me what I told you ? Why leaving so soon ? Only when my PMs started to be interesting... please don't go... don't escape... stay untill the end of the show... BTW: Tell Circassian that if he continue his collection of Pornographic materials, he will beat the guy at USC the record holder. But next time he must have the face to post his pervertion as him, and not under the deguise of another member. Ah and ! ... Nothing... Edited June 27, 2003 by McCarthyiologist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCarthyiologist Posted June 27, 2003 Report Share Posted June 27, 2003 (edited) Oh, I forgot, in trash.com(alias turkey.com/forums), you claimed that I refered to missionaries, I did that ? Where ? Oh OK, nothing unusual, another lie... this claim that I bring "missionaries" my Bostonian friend, Togar... oups, (I didn't said anything) said as their favoured answers. BTW: What new lies you will "manufacture"(nota BENE MANUFACTURE(such a lovly word by such lovly caracters)) in trash.com. Mur, oups, cer, oups, tog, oups... well... Ah and have you ever heard of Multiple personality disorder ? Edited June 27, 2003 by McCarthyiologist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantom Posted June 27, 2003 Report Share Posted June 27, 2003 Wow, you guys are famous over here. They have even opened up a whole new thread about you at Turkey.com. You should check it out. Here's the link: http://www.turkey.com/forums/showthread.ph...?threadid=13331 I'm new to this forum, but I know McArthyologist from our days spent at Turkey.com. I am an Armenian from Turkey. I have looked at some of the posts in this forum. As someone who is from Turkey, I am offended by some of the language used against Turks here. Nonetheless, I am an ardent supporter of the acknowledgment of the Genocide by the U.S., Turkey and the rest of the world. Unfortunately, having spent a considerable amount of time on a Turkish forum, I have serious doubts that Turks are prepared to accept reality anytime soon. Before I found Turkey.com, I didn't realize that so many Turks deny the Genocide. I thought far more of them accepted it, but I only came across two people at that forum who acknowledged their real history, and one of them wouldn't acknowledge it publicly, but only by email to me. I now believe that Genocide denial is much more pervasive in Turkey than I ever imagined. And I think that it is only going to get worse if Turkey implements its new policy of Genocide denial in Turkish schools. I had hope for reconcilliation between Turks and Armenians before, but now I am losing hope because of my time spent arguing with Turks about this issue on Turkey.com. With the brainwashing that some Armenians get about the evil Turk and the brainwashing that the Turks get about the "so-called" genocide, I find it will be exceedingly difficult for us to reconcile and rebuild Armenia and Turkey in a mutually beneficial way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted June 27, 2003 Report Share Posted June 27, 2003 ... With the brainwashing that some Armenians get about the evil Turk and the brainwashing that the Turks get about the "so-called" genocide, I find it will be exceedingly difficult for us to reconcile and rebuild Armenia and Turkey in a mutually beneficial way.Very sad, but true. Unfortunately, I don't see how the current behavior of Armenians (which may very well be justified but let's even assume it isn't) has anything to do with the acknowledgement of past actions by Turks. However, I do see your point that nothing good can come from the perpetuating distrust from either side ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantom Posted June 27, 2003 Report Share Posted June 27, 2003 ... With the brainwashing that some Armenians get about the evil Turk and the brainwashing that the Turks get about the "so-called" genocide, I find it will be exceedingly difficult for us to reconcile and rebuild Armenia and Turkey in a mutually beneficial way.Very sad, but true. Unfortunately, I don't see how the current behavior of Armenians (which may very well be justified but let's even assume it isn't) has anything to do with the acknowledgement of past actions by Turks. However, I do see your point that nothing good can come from the perpetuating distrust from either side ... If Turks are going to pay any attention to what we have to say, then we really can't start off by calling them dogs and animals. They are only taught one version of their history, and they don't know what really happened. All they know is that we stabbed them in the back, and it caused lots of bloodshed on both sides. They are also taught that we hate them and that we try to derail everything they want to accomplish. So they already distrust us from the beginning. And of course Armenians distrust Turks because their government continues to perpetuate a lie in the most dispicable way possible. If that is our starting point, which it appears to be, then we have no hope of getting our message across to them if we insult them. That's why I think the current behavior of Armenians is important for genocide recognition. It's not about whether or not it has anything factually do with the Genocide, but rather the diplomacy that is required to break through the barriers created by the Turkish government in the minds of its populace. And from a personal perspective, I don't feel good insulting Turks, because I grew up with them, and I feel Turkish to some extent. I speak the language, I love my uncle who is Turkish, and who happens to be one of the nicest men in this world. I love my cousin who is half Turkish and she happens to be one of the kindest girls in this world. I too am angered and frustrated by denialists like Knight (AKA Kotu Kedi), but I'm not prepared to use that energy to denegrate all Turks, and I don't think any of us should. Plus, in no way does it help our cause. By the way, Mcarthyologist, good job on destroying Kotu Kedi's arguments. I wish I knew as much as you know about the details and fine points of the Genocide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted June 27, 2003 Report Share Posted June 27, 2003 By the way, Mcarthyologist, good job on destroying Kotu Kedi's arguments. I wish I knew as much as you know about the details and fine points of the Genocide.Oh yah, the dude is a walking/talking encyclopedia when it comes to stuff like this! By the way Phantom, welcome to the board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted June 27, 2003 Report Share Posted June 27, 2003 McCarthyiologist is our resident genocide expert. I want to be like him when I grow up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of Armenia Posted June 27, 2003 Report Share Posted June 27, 2003 They are also taught that we hate them... Phantom, I am not thought about it, mine is real life experience. 36% within the local sample as I explained on my post. I don't like using "we" and "they", but I'll tell you what, there's to much Turkish hatred in this forum. Go ahead look at other threads, you'll see that "Turk"s are spelled as "turk" very consistently. Regarding MacCharthy*'s arguments, I expressed my view about his information and his logic in my previous post. I have nothing to say him, he's obsessed with Togarma, his baseless allegation that I am Togarma showed how his mind works. While you are here, tell this pathetic guy that I am Kotu Kedi, not Togarma. The guy is in a dream, give him a wake up call. Then maybe he will give up on trying to intimidate me by sending me PMs alleging that he -actually- traced my IP to Boston, or that I came from Germany etc.. Kotu Kedi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted June 27, 2003 Report Share Posted June 27, 2003 If Turks are going to pay any attention to what we have to say, then we really can't start off by calling them dogs and animals. I agree, but isn't that just another excuse Turks are using to ignore what we have to say? You know very well that there are enough Armenians who do not use this sort of language in reference to the Turks. Welcome to Hyeforum by the way! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted June 27, 2003 Report Share Posted June 27, 2003 They are also taught that we hate them... Phantom, I am not thought about it, mine is real life experience. 36% within the local sample as I explained on my post. I don't like using "we" and "they", but I'll tell you what, there's to much Turkish hatred in this forum. Go ahead look at other threads, you'll see that "Turk"s are spelled as "turk" very consistently. Regarding MacCharthy*'s arguments, I expressed my view about his information and his logic in my previous post. I have nothing to say him, he's obsessed with Togarma, his baseless allegation that I am Togarma showed how his mind works. While you are here, tell this pathetic guy that I am Kotu Kedi, not Togarma. The guy is in a dream, give him a wake up call. Then maybe he will give up on trying to intimidate me by sending me PMs alleging that he -actually- traced my IP to Boston, or that I came from Germany etc.. Kotu Kedi OK - how about Chicago? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of Armenia Posted June 27, 2003 Report Share Posted June 27, 2003 OK - how about Chicago? Thanks stormy, yes Chicago, not Boston. See, this McCarthy* guy is just talking nonsense. He claimed that I must be using a proxy, because my IP should have traced to Boston. Same mentality, he believes in one thing dogmatically, and tries to tailor everything around it. By the way, he did not claim that he traced my IP to Boston. That was my bad in the last post. He claimed my IP should trace to Boston. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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