Satanic Bible

[khodja]

I leave that answer for you to decide after you have included in your studies all apocryphal texts, many regarded as "heresy" by the established church. Do you think that knowing the nature of Jesus, that HE would have not allowed women to take on the cloak of priesthood? Do you think that HE would have barred the door of EVEN the position of Katholicos from the fairer sex? I don't think so.

[Arturian]

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You are a political DEVIL, Artur.

 

Heh ?

 

Man, i asked you a simple question, why are you so scared to answer? Say yes or no.

 

[ February 26, 2002: Message edited by: ARTURian ]

[khodja]

Artur,

 

I have already answered your question in my previous posts. Any church that distorts Jesus' word by denying women equal footing in their hierarchy has teachings that are WRONG. Any church that would distort the role of Jesus top disciple from that of his closest associate to that of a common harlot has corrupted the teachings of Christ. Add upon that the institutionalized molestation of young children by the hierarchy of our sister church across the globe and you see that it is time for Jesus to return to set the record straight.

[khodja]

You are a political DEVIL, Artur. Your Soviet roots come through loud and clear. I will NOT play your little political game. I want to see Jesus' true words brought to light. You want to play a political game to unite Armenians behind your thinking by emphasizing traditional religious beliefs. I am an Armenian. You can not fool me. No Armenian or any other natioanity can fool me.

[Arturian]

Now i see what really concerns you. No comments...

[Arturian]

The topic of this thread is "Satanic Bible"

[hasmiek]

so you never thought about it, or are you afraid to sound stupid?

 

this question has everything to do with what you've been saying in this topic. so don't be so childish and aswer the question. Or am I not allowed to ask you direct questions because I am 'only' a woman?

 

[ February 27, 2002: Message edited by: hasmiek ]

[THOTH]

Hagarag, Artur et al

 

A few articles you might find amusing (or not).

http://www.theonion.com/onion3803/judge_or...orders_god.html

http://www.theonion.com/onion3513/christ_islam.html

http://www.theonion.com/onion3731/god_give..._shout-out.html

http://www.theonion.com/onion3807/imperson...e_a_priest.html

http://www.theonion.com/onion3616/mistrans...ated_myths.html

http://www.theonion.com/onion3216/lutheranloves.html

[hasmiek]

artur- a question for you

 

do you believe in the evolution theory?

[Juggernaut]

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do you believe in the evolution theory?

 

I'll answer this question, I dont believe in it for 2 reasons:

 

1. I am Christian, and it clearly states in the Bible (and for that matter all other Holy Books), that God created the living (and man in the original form)...

 

2. The theory has holes in it, eg. When a species 'evolves' into a new species there is presumably a 'being' that is basically 'half-way' between the old and the new. Examples of these 'beings' (sorry cant think of another word but u get the idea) have NEVER been found, despite the 'fact' that life has 'evolved' over so many millions of years.

[hasmiek]

thank you for your answer

[Sip]

I don't mean any disrespect and I don't think I have ANY of the answers ... but how can the "christians" and the "church" still go on about the creation of man in the beginning while it is fairly obvious that dinosaurs existed before man? I am not saying evolution, mutation, or whatever else is a good explanation but clearly that simplistic view of things is not ture. Unless you think that dinosaurs NEVER existed in which case we have a much deeper problem to discuss

 

I like the ideas in the Bible ... I like the idea of man being created by this amazing force called God ... but it just doesn't seem realistic that it all happened in an instant (or seven days or whatever) and "in the beginning".

 

Don't you think that it is time we start to think about the "ideas" in the bible rather than try to play games with the words and the sentences like so many have done in the past?

 

The thing is that I really like Chrsitianity and christian beliefs ... it's just that the "church" makes it very hard for me to consider myself a member just because of insisting on some technicalities which don't seem to fit anything that I consider "reality"

 

Note: the "YOU" is a genenric you in the above and is not directed to anyone in specific

[THOTH]

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Originally posted by Juggernaut:

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do you believe in the evolution theory?

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1. I am Christian, and it clearly states in the Bible (and for that matter all other Holy Books), that God created the living (and man in the original form)...

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I suggest that you pick up and read a copy of the Epic of Gilgamesh. In it you will find the passges from which the book of Genesis was based (remember the 400 year Babylonian exile of the Jews...well they assimilated a few things along the way). Not that this tale will contradict your assertion...but it (in part) describes the process whereby the Annukan (Gods) took the genetic material from apes to create mankind. And interesting alternate version of mankinds creation partially summarized in severly editied form in the Book of Genesis. (the great flood/Adam & Eve in the Garden & other events occur in the stroy as well that might be if interest - each with a different twist...actaully the Genesis version is the twist from the original...)

 

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Originally posted by Juggernaut:

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do you believe in the evolution theory?

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2. The theory has holes in it, eg. When a species 'evolves' into a new species there is presumably a 'being' that is basically 'half-way' between the old and the new. Examples of these 'beings' (sorry cant think of another word but u get the idea) have NEVER been found, despite the 'fact' that life has 'evolved' over so many millions of years.

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Patently untrue. there are hundreds, perhaps thousands of examples of these transitory creatures (probabaly in Galapogos alone!)

[Arturian]

That shows that you don't even know who I am, and still don't understand me at all. When did I say that women shouldn't as, shouldn't talk etc. ?

 

It is nonsence, you've got wrong image of me.

[Sip]

So how about answering the initial question instead of changing the topic once again?

[Arturian]

Ok. I do not believe in evolution.

[Sip]

Thank you!

 

I always respect a clear and definite answer to a well put question.

[Guest Fadi]

Artur LOL... You do not believe on evolution ?

 

To not believing on evolution is to be blind... Because unlike Faith that is a believe, evolution is not a believe but a knowledge... The same kind of knowledge like one can have for mathematic and saying that 1 + 1 = 2, I don't believe it equal 2, but I know it equal two... Evolution is not just a question of believe like one could believe the existance of a god etc... evolution is a knowledge... you not believing it is like someone that would not believe that 1 + 1 could equal 2.

 

Do you "believe" on the existance of the Homo-erectus, Homo-Sapian Neathertalis etc... etc... etc... are you supposing that all these discoveries in fact are some kind fo conspirations ?

 

DO you know what I remember when I read people that allege that the evolution never existed ? Darwin exploration, when he found out about big animals(dinosaurs), he said that their destruction was a prove of his theories, because of the fact that natural selection imply that nature select species and when nature do not adventage them, they just desapear...

 

On the other hand a "religionist" like yourself stand up against Darwin and said to him that the destruction of these big animals proves that there was no natural selection... Do you know what theory he found ? That these animals are so big that Noah was not able to pout them in his arch because they were to big to pass trew the arch doors, so after the deluge they all died(LOL)

[Sip]

You know I never really make a big deal about evolution and such ... I also don't know about the bible too much ...

 

All I know is that the religeous people claim everything started from Adam and Eve.

 

Well, simple 1/0 logic tells me at some point a brother and sister must have gotten it on (sorry Arthur, I am afraid to use the word) and made babies. Yet, these days, the church at least looks really negatively on that type of "marriage". So what gives? Is it OK for brother and sister to have childeren? How about son and mother? How about Father and daughter?

 

How could humanity have started with only 2 people if the above didn't happen? Does the church say that it did happen? How come no one ever talks about this thing? (it's been on my mind for many years but I've never really asked thinking that people would think I am strange ... well, I don't care anymore )

[Guest Fadi]

Not only this, there is blood types, 4 different races and different genetic make up's...

 

Adem and Eve is an impossibility the history come from Bablionian myths from Sumerian legents...

[Arpa]

I don't really want to get involved in religion and theology for it has no end neither a beginning.

The legend of Adam and Eve(I said legend, and if one is over the age of 10, out of Sunday School,kindergarten one will recognize it as such) is found in almost all of ther eastern folklore and mythology. "Adam" simply means "man" in the Aramaic and "Eve", original "hawwa" means "wind/spirit" It is an allegory,not unlike Greek and Roman mythology, man marrying the wind etc.. Let us for moment assume that Adam and Eve had two sons, Cain and Abel. Cain killed Abel, therefore mankind would be a progeny of of a criminal murderer. However when one reads the Book one will see that Adam and Eve anf family were not the only people at the time, see it for yourself, a paste and quote from the Book;

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Gen.4

 

1.[1] And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.

2.[2] And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.

3.[3] And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD.

4.[5] But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.

5.[6] And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?

6.[8] And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his

brother, and slew him.

7.[9] And the LORD said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my brother's keeper?

8.[13] And Cain said unto the LORD, My punishment is greater than I can bear.

9.[15] And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the

LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.

10.[16] And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

11.[17] And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after

the name of his son, Enoch.

12.[22] And Zillah, she also bare Tubal-cain, an instructer of every artificer in brass and iron: and the sister of Tubal-cain was

Naamah.

13.[24] If Cain shall be avenged sevenfold, truly Lamech seventy and sevenfold.

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[Guest Fadi]

That even more prove the contradiction... because Adam and Eve have been creted in the Geneses, in the starting of the World, there is no indication of the creation of Others, since they have been created during the Geneses it mean that probably at their creation they were alone, because it say since Adam was alone etc... Eve was created after... the references of other people just prove that it has been inspired by other works...

 

I have read "La Cité de Sumer" If I remember right the book, it show us some example of Bible inspirations on Sumerian myths, and Adam and Eve are an example etc...