yanginrit Posted January 25, 2003 Report Share Posted January 25, 2003 Please visit the following site and send your comments. The program is tomorrow nite at 7:15 PM (UK time). I am trying to find someone here in Toronto to see if we can get it through the satellite TV. http://www.bbc.co.uk/correspondent Please send your comments via email to the program. I've seen more turks sending comments than Armenians. Regards, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted January 25, 2003 Report Share Posted January 25, 2003 Armenia: The Betrayed, will be broadcast on Sunday 26 January 2003 on BBC Two at 1915 GMT In a special Correspondent to coincide with Holocaust memorial week, Fergal Keane investigates how a terrible slaughter, three quarters of a century ago, has returned to haunt the relationship between Turkey and its western allies. For decades the Armenian people have campaigned to have the killings of hundreds of thousands of their forefathers in Ottoman Turkey in 1915 recognised as genocide.But there has been an equally determined campaign by Turkey to deny genocide with threats of reprisals against any country which uses the word to describe the slaughter. Now as the United States steps up its efforts to win Ankara's support in any conflict with Iraq Correspondent reveals new Turkish pressures. Threats to withdraw military bases have forced the American Congress to abandon legislation which would have used the all important term, "genocide". The programme also discloses how President George W Bush and his predecessor Bill Clinton both broke promises to the Armenian community that they would recognise genocide. Talking to Armenian survivors, Turkish officials and key political figures in the United States Correspondent investigates a story of terrible slaughter, political intrigue and a people betrayed. Producer: James Miller Reporter: Fergal KeaneEditor: Karen O'ConnorDeputy Editor: David BeltonOnline Producer: Andrew Jeffrey [ January 25, 2003, 09:57 AM: Message edited by: MosJan ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted January 25, 2003 Report Share Posted January 25, 2003 Thanks For The Info -i have a DIRECTV but - no bbc or bbc2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted January 25, 2003 Report Share Posted January 25, 2003 Dishnetwork has bbc - not teh bbc2 and on bbc on 19.15 is Home Front in the Garden Bargain Hunt: 7:30 AM Ground Force Bargain Hunt: Peterborough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted January 25, 2003 Report Share Posted January 25, 2003 i guess i can order the VHS copy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted January 25, 2003 Report Share Posted January 25, 2003 quote:Originally posted by Arpa:Originally posted by MosJan:i guess i can order the VHS copyThere probably is a way to watch it on the internet. In the meantime view these comments majority of which are by Turks from Turkey. http://212.58.226.18/1/hi/programmes/corre...nts/2676947.stm[ /QUOTE] Arpa jan - let me know if you find a place on the web - 10x us for posts or posting - you know I cant manage my anger - my fingers become a fist - I’m not good for staff like this. so plese Keep me away – don’t even let me say a single word Movses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted January 25, 2003 Report Share Posted January 25, 2003 Producer: James Miller Reporter: Fergal KeaneEditor: Karen O'ConnorDeputy Editor: David BeltonOnline Producer: Andrew Jeffrey not even one Armenian / tesnenq te inch e linelu iys film@ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yanginrit Posted January 25, 2003 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2003 I did post a comment this morning and for some reason its not recorded. I guess they didn't like what I wrote or maybe it'll be there later on. I'll keep checking. I have a friend who gets BBC World but the program is not listed for tomorrow. He mentioned that he's seen the Correspondent before. If that's the case, they may show it some other time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted January 26, 2003 Report Share Posted January 26, 2003 quote:Originally posted by MosJan:i guess i can order the VHS copyThere probably is a way to watch it on the internet. In the meantime view these comments majority of which are by Turks from Turkey. http://212.58.226.18/1/hi/programmes/corre...nts/2676947.stm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted January 26, 2003 Report Share Posted January 26, 2003 quote:Originally posted by Torontonian:I did post a comment this morning and for some reason its not recorded. I guess they didn't like what I wrote or maybe it'll be there later on. I'll keep checking.I'm sure they've received a FLOOD of emails abour this from both sides. I too, have submitted my comments. Let's just hope that the facts are reported accurately in the documentary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellthecat Posted January 27, 2003 Report Share Posted January 27, 2003 I watched it and, if I have the time, I'll give some comments on it in a day or so once I rewatch it and make notes. But, basically, for a short, one-off TV documentary it was just about as good as I expected it to be: it was not particularly original, said nothing new, had the usual gross simplifications and generalisations you get with such things, plus the occasional glaring falsehood, plus the feeling that the persons making it don't know that much about the subject. And (no surprises here) all Armenians will praise it, most Turks will crudely attack it, the rest of us will just ignore it. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted January 27, 2003 Report Share Posted January 27, 2003 Interesting. The very typical Turksih response - can't they understand how this perpetuates negative attitudes held against them? Anyway - I am waiting for this documentary to be aired in the US. Eventually I assume... Here are the comments I just submitted: Imagine if you had aired a program concerning the Holocaust and Germans responded with counter arguments and denials. These Turks are living in a dream world of their own making. They have not had to face up to the crimes of their forefathers and their society is not mature enough to do so unless forced. Contrary to these spurious claims there is a tremendous amount of eyewitness evidence proving these crimes. Additionally, right after the war the Turks themselves tried and convicted many of the perpetrators prior to Ataturk launching a new round of massacres. The Turks here only repeat their governments spurious propaganda of the time that was trumpeted without any truth or evidence - where any Armenian resistance to massacre was counted as a massive uprising against Ottoman Turkish rule. These untruths were used to fire up the masses against the Armenians who were innocent victims of tragic time and circumstance. Even accounts of the german and Austrian allies to the Turks during the war prove that there was no Armenian uprising and that what occured was a deliberate genocidal slaughter of the nature and scale of the Holocaust of WW2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted January 28, 2003 Report Share Posted January 28, 2003 Welcome back Bellthecat! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellthecat Posted January 28, 2003 Report Share Posted January 28, 2003 quote:Originally posted by gamavor:Welcome back Bellthecat! Thanks, There was a period when I was too busy, then there was a period when there was nothing worth posting or replying to, then there was a period when I had lost my password, then there was now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellthecat Posted January 28, 2003 Report Share Posted January 28, 2003 quote:Originally posted by THOTH:Anyway - I am waiting for this documentary to be aired in the US. Eventually I assume... Here are the comments I just submitted: Er, but how can you justify posting comments about a TV program you have not seen? Although, I bet I would be justified in asking the same question to probably most of the Turks and Armenians who have sent their comments - barely 1 in 100 will have actually seen the documentary. Are they all wanabe Pavlov dogs? They just have to hear of the existance of a program about the Armenian Genocide and, depending on their ethnicity, they automatically reach for the keyboard and drool with pleasure or howl madly with anger. Sometimes it is best to say nothing. That's what I feel anyway, and the comments accepted so far do make pretty dismal reading. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellthecat Posted January 28, 2003 Report Share Posted January 28, 2003 quote:Originally posted by bellthecat: quote:Originally posted by THOTH:Anyway - I am waiting for this documentary to be aired in the US. Eventually I assume... Here are the comments I just submitted: Er, but how can you justify posting comments about a TV program you have not seen? Although, I bet I would be justified in asking the same question to probably most of the Turks and Armenians who have sent their comments - barely 1 in 100 will have actually seen the documentary. Are they all wanabe Pavlov dogs? They just have to hear of the existance of a program about the Armenian Genocide and, depending on their ethnicity, they automatically reach for the keyboard and drool with pleasure or howl madly with anger. Sometimes it is best to say nothing. That's what I feel anyway, and the comments accepted so far do make pretty dismal reading. SteveSorry, I just re-read what I had written, so I should make it clear that I wasn't actually saying your comments were just drool! Your comments make sense, but they are not specifically about the TV program in question, not could they be since you have not seen it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
takavor Posted January 28, 2003 Report Share Posted January 28, 2003 quote:Originally posted by bellthecat: Although, I bet I would be justified in asking the same question to probably most of the Turks and Armenians who have sent their comments - barely 1 in 100 will have actually seen the documentary. Are they all wanabe Pavlov dogs? They just have to hear of the existance of a program about the Armenian Genocide and, depending on their ethnicity, they automatically reach for the keyboard and drool with pleasure or howl madly with anger. Sometimes it is best to say nothing. That's what I feel anyway, and the comments accepted so far do make pretty dismal reading. Steve[/QB]I have to disagree with this. If the BBC broadcasts a program and publishes articles that concern us directly, it’s our duty to write our comments and develop on our ideas. Turks (viewers or not) are doing it. They use this great opportunity to spread their filth. It’s a three-steps process:1) Those are allegations.2) Armenians betrayed Turks, so we simply had to take care of them.3) Actually, it’s Armenians who genocided the peace-loving Turks. That’s called the “reversed genocide” theory. We know all this is untrue, but the European viewer doesn’t know. Therefore, we need to teach them by writing our comments, in large numbers. You know, “silence means acceptance.” That’s what I think. PS: Imagine for a moment that you were a Jew, and that Nazies are aloud to go live on a national network to say that the Holocaust never happened, that, actually Jews have slaughtered Germans during WWII.! How would you feel about it? Wouldn’t you react, strongly?Well, that’s exactly how we all should feel after reading some of the BBC viewers comments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJ Posted January 28, 2003 Report Share Posted January 28, 2003 I just imagined that I was a Jew and that Nazies were allowed to go live on a national network to say that the Holocaust never happened, that, actually Jews have slaughtered Germans during WWII! It pissed the hell out of me and I want to react very strongly. The problem is that now I want to go back to my Armenian state of mind but I am still so pissed off on Germans that I just can't understand how can Armenians compare the Holocaust with their so-called Genocide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
takavor Posted January 31, 2003 Report Share Posted January 31, 2003 Well done Moderator, I just wish you hadn't erased the postings, so others can find out how we have come to this end. Anyway, what's said is said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellthecat Posted January 31, 2003 Report Share Posted January 31, 2003 quote:Originally posted by bellthecat:I watched it and, if I have the time, I'll give some comments on it in a day or so once I rewatch it and make notes. SteveSorry, it won't be in a day or so, I have rewatched it and made notes but I don't just now have the time to write anything, and I will be travelling for the next 2 weeks. But, rewatching it has reinforced my bad opinions of it - the title "Betrayed" is certainly an apt one: since this "documentary" has betrayed almost every good aspect of historical research. It is a piece of junk TV - produced only to fill a gap in Blair's contemptable "Holocaust Memorial Day" and make it less like a "Zionist Propaganda Day". Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted February 1, 2003 Report Share Posted February 1, 2003 To - MJ,TAKAVOR, Accelerated. Your behavior in -in this thread has earned you warnings - for each of you.MJ - TAKAVOR - AcceleratedWe do not permit anyone to use insulting and hateful language. [ January 31, 2003, 01:23 PM: Message edited by: MosJan ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoRn Posted February 14, 2003 Report Share Posted February 14, 2003 BBC 2 shows documentary on Armenian genocideAzg web site, Yerevan13 Feb 03The BBC documentary on Armenian genocide "Armenia: The Betrayed",originally broadcast on Sunday 26 January on BBC 2, will be presentedat Glendale Public Library on 22 February.The British-made documentary is a part of the growing pressure onthe British government to recognize the Armenian genocide. ReporterFergal Keane "investigates how a terrible slaughter, three quarters ofa century ago, has returned to haunt the relationship between Turkeyand its western allies".The presentation, organized jointly by the Gomidas Institute, AbrilBooks and Sterndale Classics, also serves to introduce to the US,London-based Sterndale Classics presented by Ara Sarafian and HilmarKaiser. Sterndale Classics is the latest development in providingacademic underpinnings to the Armenian genocide debate in GreatBritain. Both Sarafian and Kaiser have been involved in Britishefforts for the recognition of the Armenian genocide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted May 5, 2003 Report Share Posted May 5, 2003 The director is shot dead. http://groong.usc.edu/news/msg68088.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted May 5, 2003 Report Share Posted May 5, 2003 Wow. how sad I had contacted the BBC for a VHS copy of this documentary - i haven't heard back yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted May 5, 2003 Report Share Posted May 5, 2003 I had contacted the BBC for a VHS copy of this documentary - i haven't heard back yet. Don't worry. You didn't miss anything, except perhaps a large dose of embarrassment. With all due repect for the deceased... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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