Here this Weems thing...

[Guest Fadi]

... those are the kind of letters sent by Weems to the US state departement.

I guess those were the kind of allegation needed by the ***** US to place Armenia in the list. I am fair here, because I wont post McCarthy's recents speeches at conforences dedicated to said extermination of Turks by Armenians.

 

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THE CASE AGAINST THE UNITED STATES TAKING THE SIDE OF ARMENIANS IN THEIR BOGUS GENOCIDE CLAIM OF 1915

 

By SAMUEL A. WEEMS

 

Armenians are beating on the doors of state capitols and the United States Congress in Washington, D.C. whining and begging for handouts and for resolutions condemning Turkey and asking for support of their bogus genocide claim of 1915. The reason the Armenians have created their fake genocide industry" is to try to talk the Christian world out of billions of dollars of foreign aid and to talk Turkey out of land and money, as well. There are several basic reasons to prove that the Armenians are not truth tellers because there was no Armenian genocide of 1915, as they want

Christians of the world to believe.

 

- Turkey didn't become a nation until 1923-more than 8 full years AFTER the Armenians claimed a massacre by the government of the Ottoman Empire.

 

- After World War I, Armenia made two attempts to claim a massacre during the Paris Peace Conference. The Armenians, through their paid agents in Europe, wanted land and damages from the Ottoman government. The Peace Conference heard the Armenian false claim twice and gave them nothing.

 

The Armenians have twice had their day in court yet they continue to murmur, mooch and whine, telling the same old worn out tall tale in an attempt to get something for nothing. Armenians couldn't get anything from the Paris Peace Conference regarding their bogus massacre claim against the Ottoman government, so now 85 years later, they changed their story and want something for nothing from the Turks.

 

- Whatever did or didn't take place in 1915 did not involve the Turkish government because it wasn't even in existence at the time.

 

In recent years, Armenians have spent many millions of dollars buying American politicians (more than $14 million in campaign contributions over the past few years). This is a well planned Armenian campaign to get more and more foreign aid and to get state legislators to pass meaningless resolutions attacking modern day Turkey and to accuse this great American friend of a genocide which is absolutely a false allegation.

 

The truth is that for 70 long years the Armenians worked and did

everything they could do to help the Soviet Union over-throw freedom throughout the world. The Armenians joined the Soviet Union freely and never attempted to prevent a Soviet takeover of their state. Armenia continues to this very day to be blood brothers with the Russians. Many Armenians even joined Hitler's Nazis in an attempt to ethnically/racially cleanse Europe from Jews. Armenians also learned from their Nazi experience of ethnic cleansing, as they have now removed all but 5% of minorities from their small state.

 

There is a very good reason why the United States of America must refuse to get involved with the Armenian false "genocide industry". Consider the following facts regarding American foreign policy and determine if the United States has any business at all in inserting itself into Turkish/Armenian affairs.

 

The United States waged the Philippine War (1899-1902). This war did much to show the people of the United States that the country should not attempt to obtain a colonial empire as many nations in Europe were doing at the time.

 

The Spanish American War took place in 1898. The basic public stated reason for this war was to free Cuba from Spain. Of course American special interests would remain in Cuba after the US won the war. When the Treaty of Paris was signed to end this war, U.S. President William McKinley had to make a decision about what to do with the Philippine Islands as they had just been taken from Spain along with Cuba.

 

McKinley thought about this question for several days. He later wrote:

 

I went down on my knees and prayed to Almighty God for light and guidance. Then one night late it came to me that there was nothing left for us to do but to take them all, and educate the Filipinos and uplift them and civilize and Christianize them and by God's grace do the best we could do by them, as our fellowmen for whom Christ died." Perhaps the President didn't realize that Spain, like the United States, was a Christian nation.

 

Unsaid was the fact the United States had an important national strategic interest in these islands. That American interest was to expand its network of navy coal stations for its growing Pacific Ocean fleet. Needless to say, many Filipinos did not want to be under the control and direction of the United States. And so it was that the three-year Philippine War began and American soldiers were killed and wounded expanding the work of the US Navy and taking the word of Christ to these islands.

 

This was not a popular war within the United States. An anti-imperialist league was organized. Many prominent Americans joined it, such as author Mark Twain, labor leader Samuel Gompers, and industrialist Andrew Carnegie as did countless other American citizens who opposed this imperialistic war.

 

The United States sent as many soldiers as possible to the Philippines. Even after the soldiers won the slow moving war there was continued resistance to them by guerrillas. General Arthur MacArthur (father of Douglas MacArthur of World War II fame) was the commander of the American military presence in the islands. The General declared martial law and invoked General Orders 100, which had been first used by President Abraham Lincoln in the American Civil War in 1863.

 

This US military code of conduct on warfare permitted harsh measures during unconventional campaigns such as when General William Tecumseh Sherman made his famous Civil War "march to the sea." It was the American civilians who paid a terrible price for this military action. The same was true for the Filipinos. The American war policy in the Civil War as well as in the Philippine War was as follows:

 

An occupying army had a duty to be humane in its dealings with civilians; to do otherwise would be stupid as well as immoral, for it would turn potential friends into foes. But likewise civilians had a duty not to resist; if they violated this duty, they would be dealt with harshly. {General Order 100} envisioned that combatants not in uniform would be treated like "highway robbers or pirates" and, along with civilians who aided them, they could be subjected to the death penalty.

 

US troops engaged in a number of atrocities and this created a scandal in the U.S. Mark Twain made the suggestion that the U.S. Congress should redesign the nation's flag, "the white stripes painted black and the stars replaced by the skull and crossbones."

 

It is also interesting to note that of the 30 American generals who fought the Filipinos from 1898 to 1902-26 of them obtained their combat experience in the American Indian Wars. These 26 generals engaged Native Americans in armed conflicts that took all their lands and placed the Indians on U.S. controlled reservations.

 

Contrast this American military series of actions to the Armenian bogus genocide claim:

 

The Armenians were citizens of the Ottoman Empire for more than 700 years and lived in peace with their neighbors. The Muslim Ottoman government permitted the Armenian Christians total freedom of religion during this long period of peace. Then came the Russians! Beginning in the early 1800s the Russians began a one hundred-year effort to take Ottoman lands by armed force. Each time the Russians started a war with the Ottoman Empire, the Armenian small minority population supported them based on the

false Russian promise that Russians would give them free Muslim lands.

 

In 1915 the Russians again attacked the Ottoman Empire in its quest to obtain warm water ports. Once again the Armenians supported the Russians. In this Russian invasion they marched as far as today's eastern modern day Turkey. The Russians were a real threat to capture the heart of the Ottoman Empire.

 

During this war Armenians, living behind the Ottoman army combat zone, engaged in nightly guerrilla attacks that disrupted the Ottoman army supply lines creating great disruption and damage to the Ottoman army. The Ottoman government made a direct appeal to the high priest of the Armenian Church asking for his help to stop the Armenian attacks on their supply lines. The high priest refused.

 

The reason the Armenian Church refused to help the Ottoman government was because it, too, supported the advancing Russians. The Ottoman government advised the high priest that they would be forced to remove all Armenians living behind their army if the attacks continued. The attacks in fact increased and the Ottoman government announced that it would move all Armenians from behind their army. The Armenian Church's reaction, even before the actual removal began, was to ignore it's role in causing the removal and the high priest responded by making up and telling the tall tale that the Ottomans were massacring large numbers of Armenians.

 

The truth was, of course, that the Ottomans had not even started the removal process and not a single Armenian had so much as packed a bag to leave when the Armenian Church's great "massacre" tall tale campaign began. The historical truth is that it was the Armenian Church who must accept responsibility for much of the terrible things that happened to the Armenian people in eastern Turkey. The Armenian Church could have helped stop the acts of treason but refused to do so.

 

The Ottomans did, in fact, later remove some one million Armenians from behind their military line, and of course, the guerrilla attacks stopped. The proof is that there were more than one million Armenian refugees yet Armenians today murmur and whimper that the horrible Muslim Turks massacred 1.5 million of their Christian forefathers in 1915. This is as massive of a tall tale as that told by the Armenian high priest's claim of massacre.

 

The basic question is how could the Turks have murdered a half million more Armenians than who actually lived in eastern Turkey at the time? How can a million Armenians have been refugees and also been murdered at the same time? The Armenian tall tale of 1.5 million of their people being massacred is absurd and the historical evidence proves that the Armenians are not truth tellers! Historical evidence proves that it was the Armenian Christians who massacred far more Muslims in their selfish greed of wanting something for nothing than there were Armenians killed.

Perhaps the Armenians have invented their very own system of "new math" that only they use and understand to fleece and deceive the Christian world!

 

What would have been the United States government's response had it been subjected to such treason? Based upon the U.S. Army actions in the Civil War, the Indian Wars, and the War of the Philippines --the US government would have acted much like the Ottoman government. The Armenian guerrillas, who didn't fight in Russian uniforms, as well as the Armenian citizens who supported and helped them, would have been treated as "highway robbers or pirates" just as Native Americans and Filipinos were treated. This is how the American army treated Native Americans and Filipinos-not to mention its treatment of Japanese Americans starting in 1942 during the 5 years of World War II.

 

Clearly today, neither a single United States state nor the United States Congress has any business or any right to pass meaningless resolutions attacking American's friend and partner, Turkey. To back and support the bogus Armenian "genocide industry" is to approve of Armenian treason in 1915 as well as approving its acts of terrorism today on its neighbor Azerbaijan.

 

Consider this fact situation: Mexico attacks the United States and makes steady progress toward Washington, D.C. Native Americans support Mexico and wage hit and run attacks behind the American troops and disrupt United States military supply lines. Does any American really think that the US government would stand back and permit Native Americans to run wild and create problems for the army? Certainly not! Would any American stand back and permit some European country to claim we had committed a genocide when we removed Native Americans from behind our army when they were doing major harm to our soldiers' defense of the United States of America. Certainly not!

 

Neither the United States government nor any individual state within the United States has any business sticking its nose into a sovereign nation's effort to defend its lands. How can any U.S. state or the national government make a judgment call about a disputed action that took place more than 6,000 miles away more than 85 years ago? There is no real American interest to back and support Armenian treason and terrorism. To take sides unfairly, as some 26 U.S. states have done, is to give the Muslim world a good reason to hate Americans.

 

The sad fact of the matter is the politicians of the United States are taking the word of a gang of Armenian thugs just because they "claim" to be fellow Christians who were unjustly attacked by terrible Muslims. The Armenians are not truth tellers and Americans should learn truth for themselves before giving this unholy people billions of their dollars.

 

Armenia is a land-locked tiny state and can't get along with its

neighbors-never has! Armenians can't even get along with its Christian neighbor Georgia. The United States has no national interest in supporting an ongoing "Christian" terrorist state. It is past time to stop wasting American Christian taxpayer dollars on a gaggle of ingrate Armenians. After September 11th it is past time for the United States to establish true friendships with Armenia's Muslim neighbors, such as Azerbaijan. The United States must build friendships throughout the Muslim world and this will not be possible while American politicians are being bought and paid for by Armenian lobbyists.

 

What were the legislators or governors of the following states thinking when they voted for meaningless resolutions or when a governor issued a meaningless Proclamation condemning Turkey and supporting Armenia betrayal, deceit, treason and terrorism against the Muslim world? There is the dark stain of innocent Muslim blood upon the following state flags because of what state leaders have done unjustly and unfairly in the name of Christ.

 

The roll of dishonored states are: Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Florida, Illinois, Georgia, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Tennessee, Washington and Wisconsin.

 

Based upon all the evidence, the question must be fairly asked of each of these sates--What right does your state have for passing a Resolution or issuing a Proclamation condemning Turkey for something that didn't happen more than 85 years ago and 6,000 miles away from the United States? What state interest is there in involving any one of these Sates in an international question? NONE! It is sad to see each of these individual states inserting itself into a Christian/Muslim matter and choosing the corrupt "Christian" state side rather than truth and honesty. To do such

a thing is un-American!

 

How much money did the Armenian lobbyists spend in each of these states toget such worthless-meaningless Resolutions and Proclamations issued? Other than Armenian lobbyist's self- interest what reason does a single American have in meddling in affairs of other countries? NONE! It is horrible actions such as these Resolutions and Proclamations that cause people in the rest of the world to think of "The Ugly American." It is past time for Americans to seek out truth and refuse to help terrorists just because the terrorists know how to lie and to call themselves fellow Christians. It just doesn't make sense to allow religion to unfairly rule

United States foreign policy as it does in too many cases like this one today.

[MJ]

Domino,

 

Where has this material been published?

[Guest Fadi]

Here Martin

 

http://www.kemalisturk.com

 

I have archivated many documentations about him in the past, and articles he wrote, I had put a page about him, that was closed down for a reason I ignore.

 

If you know some Armenian associations that are ready to sue him, I can provide some material that is somewhere in my HD... like missrepresentation of him being a judge(when he is not) etc... I think thats a crime, or using a Babtist association host, hosting his site, etc...

 

It would be easy to get his site down by threatning the Babtists hosters.

 

I had no chance still to order his book, so that would be a Christmiss gift for me. Ah and, I don't know if you know, hundreds of copies of the book were given for free to the US state departement...

[gamavor]

When once I said that something is deeply wrong with American education, Sen_Vahan and some others said that nothing is wrong with American Education.

 

If America is a "Christian" nation, then I'm Santa Claus.

 

It is about petrol. This Weems (what a name) is so funny.

[Guest Fadi]

Guess what Gamavor, he has a Turkish wife.

[MJ]

You didn't bring any serious sources.

 

What is the status of that guy? Who is he?

[Guest Fadi]

Oh my god, MJ, you really were absent those days. Are you telling me you ignore him ?

 

Here is his site.

 

http://www.stjohnpress.com/

 

And here was my site about him(mean to be )

 

http://www.stjohnpress.cjb.net/

 

I'm ready to tell you all about him, but it'll cost some free more classes for me.

[MJ]

The first site doesn't warrant attention. the second one is disfunctional. Who is he?

 

Don't be greedy. First, consume what you already have.

[Guest Fadi]

http://www.aaainc.org/researchinfo/IssueBriefWeems.pdf

 

Here some reading about him for a start.

 

The second site is dead, it meant to be my site about Weems. The hoster took it out.

[MJ]

OK. I read few sentences, and even with all the time I have to kill today, I wouldn't read it any further.

 

To confess, you puzzle me a lot, Domino. Don't you have anything useful to do and you go after every idiot to silence his bark? Also, don't you think that when you bring something like this to the forefront, you will lose credibility if you take things out of their context or don't present them in their context?

 

Consider this as our first lesson.

[Guest Fadi]

I will give you that MJ, that I go after every idiots, but my post here was not out of conext, this above idiot wrote a book that was distributed in mass for free to the state departement, I find it has a context, with what was posted about Armenia being seen as a country supporting terrorism, since Weems book is about Armenia allegedly being a terrorist state, its title is that. I just posted this for that reason. I do not say, if in fact I posted in the past things out of context, or barked after every idiots, but as you can see, I do that less then before... so, encourage me Tell me I am in the right direction, is your role not as well to encourage me, as the teacher ?

[MJ]

You linked his book to the alleged decision of INS. INS is abbreviation for Immigration and Naturalization Service. That was out of context.

 

America is a free country – anyone who can finance it, can publish any book he/she wants. What’s your point about the book being distributed for free at the State Department? Are you insinuating that the State department has no better means of identifying which ones are the states supporting terrorism and they are going to rely on his book, moreover, to read his book?

 

Now, I wouldn’t encourage you, since you definitely are headed in the wrong direction. You are wasting your energy, valuable time, etc. In this case, I am not a westerner with all the "motivational speech" blah, blah, blah. When it comes to education, I would rather be an easterner with a whip in my hands. Than, you would learn what the spanking is about.

[Guest Fadi]

Linked ? Yes I did, I have not said it was because of the book, but that it was this kind of prove that they probably needed. Was I wrong ? Maybe, but if you know why they did this, then be glad to explain it to us. Was it out of context ? Maybe. Thats the only way I have linked it.

 

As for education, not comment...

 

[ December 14, 2002, 04:23 PM: Message edited by: Domino ]

[MJ]

OK. Our first lesson is over. Azat missed his chance, today.

 

Homework assignment #1:

 

1. Practice the riles of crisp speech;

2. Till the next lesson, every night, before falling asleep, repeat to yourself 25 times: "I will only speak about things I know enough;"

3. Repeat another 25 times: "I love Armenia."

 

Now, I need to go and take care of my appetite.

[MJ]

OK. Our first lesson is over. Azat missed his chance, today.

 

Homework assignment #1:

 

1. Practice the riles of crisp speech;

2. Till the next lesson, every night, before falling asleep, repeat to yourself 25 times: "I will only speak about things I know enough;"

3. Repeat another 25 times: "I love Armenia."

 

Now, I need to go and take care of my appetite.

[Azat]

MJ, I am just afraid to get close to Domino after that spanking comment.

[THOTH]

MJ - we who are educated and somewhat knowledgeable may not take this Weems idiot seriously - and certainly he doesn't deserve even a second of serious attention - but there are plenty of others who would gladly accept what he has to say (potentially for the very real detriment of Armenian/Armenians). And who is to say that there is no connection between this decision to do background checks or whatever it is they are going to do to Armenians entering the US now - with the allegations of this Weems fellow. Believe me - I have debated folks in the State Department about these very type of issues (once in a Turkish restaruant here in the states!)- and I find that they are often pretty clueless in a great many areas (and ready to believe almost any pro-Turkish propaganda). So yes - we just might be surprised at the impact a Weems type might have - and we can't afford to be surprised too often. Domino is doing us all a great service - IMO.

[MJ]

Thoth,

 

I disagree with you.

[MJ]

Well, Azat, we are all humans, after all, and all of us have our shortfalls. So give Domino slack.

[MJ]

OK. First, my "educational comment" was a joke. I just forgot to put a "face" there. (BTW, Azat I meant that you might help with the whipping part, since Domino prefers spanking to smacking. )

 

About the material, the "link," the "proof," etc...

 

What do we know at this time? We know that ANCA is disturbed by something that they have heard "from reliable sources," and they have not heard any "explanations." We don't know exactly what is it that INS is proposing. Clearly, there is no allegation that Armenia is being qualified as terrorist state. It claims that Armenian citizens older than 16 years old have to register with INS. ANCA claims that it is a selective implementation of a rule, and Armenia is the only Christian country (what a garbage - Armenia is not a Christian State but a secular one) subject to such rule.

 

So, we have not heard anything from official sources, yet. At this time it is a hearsay. But let’s imagine that it is true and Armenians are in that list because, statistically speaking, most of the Armenian men arriving to US do not go back and disappear in the ghetto. Does INS have a legitimate concern here? I think so. Sure it is sort of an unpleasant thing, but if the police stops me for speeding, can I ask him why don’t you stop the others? Now, what I said is also an insinuation.

 

So that not to insinuate (read masturbate), why not to do some research or wait for few days, before jumping the gun?

[Guest Fadi]

You are right MJ, due to the circonstance, I lost my control, we must first have a confirmation.

 

A last note, I just learned searching in the dictionnary that spank and slap are two different word... I'm now embarassed to use the first one

 

[ December 14, 2002, 07:45 PM: Message edited by: Domino ]

[MJ]

Oh, dear... Don't be embarassed.

[THOTH]

quote:

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Originally posted by MJ:

Thoth,

 

I disagree with you.

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LOL - well fine then.

[Raffi the Illuminator]

I'm not sure if anyone is aware of this or not, Samuel Weems is dead.

 

The pro-Turkish lobby will just have to find some other seedy individual that is looking to make a bit of $.....for their benefit, maybe next time they can find someone that actually has some credentials (hopefully not LOL)......also I agree with THOTH's point -- many Turks are quite eager to gobble up any sort of pro-Turkish propaganda they hear and read without ever questioning or investigating it's source. For whatever reason, skepticism seems to be something that many in the Turkish community avoid.

[Guest Fadi]

Raffi, I am suspicious about his death, we have no idea of why he died, we have no idea of what he was suffering of, a big mouth like he was/is, he would have used his condition to show how it does not stop him to "expose"the Armenians. We just discover from Turkish newspapers he died, just at the time that a second edition of his book was supposed to be published, or that the second book of the said series was supposedly compleated.

 

I just see that Weems has done his time, and it was time that he would serve better death then alive, like the "hero" that "battled" until his death. Where has he died, the next time I heard he was on vacation in Turkey with his wife, then we learn he died ?

 

Until I have no news of why he died, and where his body was exposed, I will not believe his death.