15levels Posted November 23, 2002 Report Share Posted November 23, 2002 Hello everyone. I made a new poster for our project, would like to share it with you. Here it is. Regards, Rouben http://armeniangenocideposters.org/images/absolutdenial.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
15levels Posted November 23, 2002 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2002 did it go unnoticed..? i was just curious, someone said to me it's "controversial" so I just wanted some opinions. thanks in advance, Rouben ps. it can be also found online at http://www.armeniangenocideposters.org/ima...solutdenial.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Fadi Posted November 23, 2002 Report Share Posted November 23, 2002 I don't like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted November 23, 2002 Report Share Posted November 23, 2002 quote:Originally posted by Domino:I don't like it.Why not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Fadi Posted November 23, 2002 Report Share Posted November 23, 2002 Because there is no real message on it(that could be understood just by seind it), the way the bottle is placed, the way the Turkish flag is on the bottom, then white on the middle of the bottle etc... then the message... the only real message that we may interprate is some sort of symbolism, of Turkey being like a bottle of alchool that reduce the judgement of the drinker, but this symbolism would not be understood by the majority of those that will see those posters, the very least, there should be a writen message concerning it. There is none. [ November 23, 2002, 02:40 PM: Message edited by: Domino ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted November 23, 2002 Report Share Posted November 23, 2002 I don't know. That's not how I interpreted it. I was thinking more in the lines of: Turkey is in absolute denial. They have put a secret in a (tightly) closed bottle. Now they're drowning in their own denial. Or blood. I agree that it's not very easy to interpret (and I'm probably wrong in mine), but if I look at it in combination with other posters, I don't think it's that bad. [ November 23, 2002, 02:45 PM: Message edited by: nairi ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted November 23, 2002 Report Share Posted November 23, 2002 [ November 23, 2002, 02:44 PM: Message edited by: nairi ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Fadi Posted November 23, 2002 Report Share Posted November 23, 2002 Nairi, your interpretation is the one that I think Ruben is trying to say, but the Turkish Flag in it the bottle would bring the reader to believe that it is a drink, with Turkey in it... prison bars, or a bottle of another form, with deaths and victims in it trying to escape, and the thing that closes the bottle being the Turkish flag would be easily understood. But not this poster, what the Turkish flag is doing in the bottle, this bottle should contain the victims, the fact, and the thing closing the bottle being the Turkish flag. [ November 23, 2002, 02:50 PM: Message edited by: Domino ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted November 23, 2002 Report Share Posted November 23, 2002 Good Job Ruben! I like your style. You can even get rid of the sign "Absolute Denial". The shape of the bottle already speaks by itself:-).Don't bother to convey political message in your own way, and don't listen to turkatzads shuner. If the posters are intended for the turkish public, they should read loud and clear - "Mehmet you are an Idiot!". But they are not:-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted November 23, 2002 Report Share Posted November 23, 2002 I like it. I think Domino's version is also worthwhile. Yours is more strightforward and simple/clean - amd there is something to be said for that I think. You have captured the essence..good work! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Fadi Posted November 23, 2002 Report Share Posted November 23, 2002 quote: I look at it in combination with other posters, I don't think it's that bad. There is many exellent posters, but he asked to criticise this one not the other ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted November 23, 2002 Report Share Posted November 23, 2002 quote:Originally posted by Domino:But not this poster, what the Turkish flag is doing in the bottle, this bottle should contain the victims, the fact, and the thing closing the bottle being the Turkish flag.I see where you're coming from. It could indeed be interpreted as Turkey being the victim rather than the Armenian. Still, I wouldn't know what Rouben should do with it. Have you thought about designing a poster? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted November 23, 2002 Report Share Posted November 23, 2002 quote:Originally posted by Domino: quote: I look at it in combination with other posters, I don't think it's that bad. There is many exellent posters, but he asked to criticise this one not the other ones.I meant: this poster will hang on a board along with numerous others about the AG (at least that's the idea behind the poster campaign, from what I've understood). In that context, I don't think this one is that difficult to understand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted November 23, 2002 Report Share Posted November 23, 2002 Absolut Vodka was the only one i would have time to time now haw do i have one more shut Damm you ruben :"( j/k ruben jan nice work - but you will have some problems, since the shape of the bottle and the name are TM of this vodka Co. - are you looking for problems or this is a way of getting more attention. Movses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted November 23, 2002 Report Share Posted November 23, 2002 http://www.missionliquor.com/Qstore/custom/XQ.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Fadi Posted November 23, 2002 Report Share Posted November 23, 2002 OK, thats the hit, "Absolut Vodka" Of course. Are everyone supposed to know that trademark ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Fadi Posted November 23, 2002 Report Share Posted November 23, 2002 BTW Rouben good job, how I was supposed to know what you meant, when I did not knew the "Absolut Vodka" Everyone here are not drinkers you know. I made a fool of myself as usual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted November 23, 2002 Report Share Posted November 23, 2002 I like it as well. Domino Absolute has many award winning campaigns with their Ads. You should check them out on the web. Some are wonderful. Rouben, would you mind giving us your interpretation of the ad. What was it that you were trying to convey? Also, wont the Absolute people go nuts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accelerated Posted November 24, 2002 Report Share Posted November 24, 2002 Good job on the poster Rubs, but I just dont think its a good idea, since alcohol has absolutelly nothing to do with the Genocide. And just because you got the Absolute Vodka bottle there......I dont know it probably will capture peoples attention, but maybe not the right type people.....LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted November 24, 2002 Report Share Posted November 24, 2002 Recently at work, I was mailed a series of Art posters using the Absolut concept (sponsered by Absolut-of course, and conducted by a collective of artists and graphic designers). I have seen many interpretations of the 'absolut bottle'. This is on par, if not better, than the work of many of these award winning artists. Bravo Rueben! There are subtleties in your work - the bottling-up of a shadowy past, the denial of problems and past sins implied by the bottle of vodka - I think these speak volumes. Keep up the good work. v Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted November 24, 2002 Report Share Posted November 24, 2002 quote: Originally posted by Azat:Also, wont the Absolute people go nuts? No, I don't think so. As long as the Absolut logo and trademark are respected, I think they would be thrilled by the extra exposure. There is nothing contentious, or derogatory about Rouben's poster, and I can't think how he would have violated any copyright laws - provided he supplies the appropriate credits, non? Of course, I'm not an expert on the subject... [ November 23, 2002, 11:44 PM: Message edited by: vava ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
15levels Posted November 24, 2002 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2002 Thanks everyone for your inputs, yes, the catch here is of course the game with Absolut. I removed any reference to the actual trademark from the poster, therefore the connection is purely symbolic. I have made few versions of this concept (in some images of the genocide were used but I wasnt convinced), but this one I liked the most since its very clean and to the point. Red is symbolizing the blood spilled by the Ottomans, the Turkish flag is drowning in it and the rest- you make the assumptions. Of course it might be tricky for someone who has NO idea about the Armenian Genocide, but its not intended for that kind of audience. I tried not to make any connections to alcohol whatsoever, just as it is in many posters designed using the concept of something being "Absolut". The message I wanted to be heard is simple: Turkey is in the state of ABSOLUT DENIAL - does it do it? I hope so. Thanks again for your opinions. Rouben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellthecat Posted November 24, 2002 Report Share Posted November 24, 2002 quote:Originally posted by Rouben Malayan:Thanks everyone for your inputs, yes, the catch here is of course the game with Absolut. I removed any reference to the actual trademark from the poster, therefore the connection is purely symbolic.But the word "Absolut" is a trademark! And since you are also copying the general design concept of the original advert I think you are probably also infringing the copyright of that. Regardless of that, it is a catching design but (if the earlier responses are anything to go by) is over the heads of a lot of people, or, at least, it needs the viewer to have an awareness of current advertising design, or to have to stand at bus stops for ages, with nothing but an advertising panel to look at! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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