Marseliatsi_M26 Posted May 10, 2009 Report Share Posted May 10, 2009 NO TO CAPITULATION (ABANDONING ARTSAKH (KARABAGH) & ARMENIAN GENOCIDE RECOGNITION) ! LET'S ACT AGAINST THE SO-CALLED ARMENIAN-TURKISH "ROAD MAP" ! JOIN THE PETITION ! PLEASE SIGN IT ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellektor Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 NO TO CAPITULATION (ABANDONING ARTSAKH (KARABAGH) & ARMENIAN GENOCIDE RECOGNITION) ! LET'S ACT AGAINST THE SO-CALLED ARMENIAN-TURKISH "ROAD MAP" ! JOIN THE PETITION ! PLEASE SIGN IT ! The thing is, what it is we understand by Artsakh. Our statesmen reassure us that the ceding of Artsakh is out of the question. The problem is what is it they understand under Artsakh? If it's the territory of the former NKAO, the fetus-shaped area with borders illegally drawn by genocidal “Azeris”, which means they don’t consider the liberated historic Armenian territory around it part of Artsakh, this is lethal to Armenia. So what do we gain by signing this petition? I suggest these people set up a petition where it clearly states no ceding of ANY territory. Not a square nanometer! We have no territory to give the Turk, we have territory to take FROM the Turk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellektor Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 One more thing: there's no “road map”. It's a completely blank paper with not a thing on it. The whole charade was staged by the Jew infested US administration to give a pretext to Obama not to say Armenian Genocide. That they had to go this far to stage such a farce, shows what an important lever Armenia can have if our lousy statesmen were wise enough use it. P.S. There are three preconditions put by the genocidal vermin Turkey: I. Stop Armenian Genocide recognition campaign II. Recognize the illegal Kars Treaty, hence, the present genocidal borders of Armenia and Turkey III. Cede the liberated territory The first condition is already met. It doesn't matter whether there's a single word about it on the blank paper called the “road map” or not. The football diplomacy achieved this and the announcement of the signing of the blank “road map”, on 23rd of April, within the shortest sufficient news breaking time before April 24, put an end to the recognition campaign. If our lousy statesmen don't say a thing about the recognition or not of the Kars Treaty when asked, seems they are going to capitulate on this one as well. Since when referring to Artsakh, they don't clearly say they mean the present, actual borders, then it means they have capitulated on that too, none of which need to have been mentioned in the “road map”. If this happens, the Armenian state will be abolished in no time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hosank Posted May 25, 2009 Report Share Posted May 25, 2009 (edited) P.S. There are three preconditions put by the genocidal vermin Turkey: I. Stop Armenian Genocide recognition campaign II. Recognize the illegal Kars Treaty, hence, the present genocidal borders of Armenia and Turkey III. Cede the liberated territory that is absolutely untrue. the thing is, there have been no preconditions set at all. he so-called road-map is only an agreement to eventually normalise relations, there was no mention of artsakh or any form of border recognition at all. the only stupid thing is for the armenian government to agree to announce it on the 23rd of april, giving obama the exit he was looking for. i think people should stop being concerned with the 'road-map', because at this point it is non-binding, and very VERY vague. armenians and azeris have been talking about giving back the 'occupied territories' in exchange of recognition for 2 decades now, and we have seen the result of those negotiations: smiles and handshakes in different european capitals, and nothing established. so i don't think we have anything to worry about in that respect, and as a back up we can always count on the dozens of ex-fedayi organisations who routinely mention they will rise up if even an inch of artsax soil is given back. if you would notice, turkey is somewhat relenting on is 'no relations without restoring azeri territorial integrity' rhetoric. this is because turkey is beginning to realise that azerbaijan's issue is a strain on her own forein policy. as i said earlier, nothing was mentioned about artsax in the 'road map'. so if anything, if there is at least a partial opening of the border between armenia and turkey (not mentioning the economic benefits which would ensue) it would certainly be a grave defeat for azerbaijan, who has been counting on turkey's big-brother solidarity for the last 20 years in imprisoning armenia. any surf of azeri internet-newspapers would be enough to see that the azeris are already enraged simply at the prospect of this happening. in effect, we need to wait and see....signing online petitions may not be the answer here i'm afraid, or risk showing the armenian world community as split on the issue...especially at this point, where VERY little is known on the issue Edited May 25, 2009 by hosank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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