BEIJING 2008

[Yervant1]

It was not a jab at anyone but a subtle message that passing judgement on others is not a nice thing since none of us was in his shoes.

[shield-maiden]

It was not a jab at anyone but a subtle message that passing judgement on others is not a nice thing since none of us was in his shoes.

 

An article was posted, people were commenting on it and I joined in the discussion. Everyone makes judgments every single minute of every day. Every single comment posted on every single thread here is a judgment. If athletes don't want their actions discussed then they shouldn't put themselves in the public eye. Sorry I wasn't nice enough, but Abrahamian doesn't seem very nice himself so I guess that makes us even. I'm willing to bet that had this incident involved a non-Armenian there would have been harsh judgments being dished out here.

 

 

IOC weighs action against Swedish wrestler

 

Sweden's Ara Abrahamian shouts at wrestling officials after a contraversial match decision during his 84 kilogram greco-roman wrestling match against Italy's Andrea Minguzzi at the Beijing 2008 Olympics in Beijing Thursday, Aug. 14, 2008.

 

BEIJING (AP)—A Swedish wrestler who dropped his bronze medal in disgust could face sanctions from the International Olympic Committee.

 

The IOC said Friday it had opened a disciplinary investigation into the actions of Ara Abrahamian, who lost to gold medalist Andrea Minguzzi of Italy in the semifinals of the men’s 84kg Greco-Roman event.

 

During the medal ceremony Abrahamian took the bronze from around his neck and, in disgust, dropped it on the mat as he walked away.

 

“The disciplinary commission is looking into this,” said an IOC spokeswoman, Emmanuelle Moreau. “They are in touch with the international federation to get all the facts.”

 

Moreau said it was unclear what type of punishment Abrahamian could face.

 

Abrahamian had to be restrained from going after the matside officials following his loss to Minguzzi. He stormed away from the mixed zone where interviews are conducted and slammed a door to the dressing rooms so hard it shook an entire wall. He weighed whether to skip the bronze medal match, only to have friends talk him into competing.

 

“I wanted to take gold, so I consider this Olympics a failure,” he said.

Edited August 15, 2008 by shield-maiden

[shaunt]

It appears that some individuals amongst us need to grow a pair.

 

He should be applauded for staging a public protest against politicking in sporting events, specially given the history of the IOC.

 

Here is an individual who has dedicated most of his life to training in order to a champion in a sport that has a history of over 2700 years, only to be denied by an iniquitous organization.

 

Here is for Ara, :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: .

[Vanetsi]

Artur Ayvazian, gold medal, shooting, Ukraine.

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/olympics/news?slug...s&type=lgns

[shield-maiden]

It appears that some individuals amongst us need to grow a pair.

 

Why don't you name those individuals?

[DominO123]

Why don't you name those individuals?

 

Yes you to start with, only ignorants place him at fault, the news you reported does not say anything on why he became so angry. The point was awarded to him and then taken away from him and awarded to the other. Then two different judges gave two different reasons as to why this was done so. He has found one of the officials to ask explainations the official laughted at his face, literally. You have this here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqUzIjMTY20

 

He was gone made after this stinking judge who was supposed to judge was laughting at his face purpously provoking him.

[shield-maiden]

Yes you to start with, only ignorants place him at fault, the news you reported does not say anything on why he became so angry. The point was awarded to him and then taken away from him and awarded to the other. Then two different judges gave two different reasons as to why this was done so. He has found one of the officials to ask explainations the official laughted at his face, literally. You have this here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqUzIjMTY20

 

He was gone made after this stinking judge who was supposed to judge was laughting at his face purpously provoking him.

 

 

Way to throw out the personal insults. You know what's ignorant? Lording over this forum and resorting to petty name calling when someone dares disagree with you. As I said before, he and the Swedish delegation can go through the proper channels to present their allegations of bribery and cheating. No need for any gnashing of teeth and beating of chests at this supposed crime that has been committed. Funny how none of the other wrestlers complained about the judging. Real professionals don't cause scenes and ruin the awards ceremony for the other winners. You think that sort of behavior is ok, that's just dandy, but I expect a higher standard of behavior and decorum from Armenians. Tell me, had this been a Turk would you be getting so worked up over judging "injustices?" Because this incident certainly has nothing to do with Armenia participating in the Olympics.

[vava]

Way to throw out the personal insults. You know what's ignorant? Lording over this forum and resorting to petty name calling when someone dares disagree with you. As I said before, he and the Swedish delegation can go through the proper channels to present their allegations of bribery and cheating. No need for any gnashing of teeth and beating of chests at this supposed crime that has been committed. Funny how none of the other wrestlers complained about the judging. Real professionals don't cause scenes and ruin the awards ceremony for the other winners. You think that sort of behavior is ok, that's just dandy, but I expect a higher standard of behavior and decorum from Armenians. Tell me, had this been a Turk would you be getting so worked up over judging "injustices?" Because this incident certainly has nothing to do with Armenia participating in the Olympics.

 

Why do you have your panties all tied up in a knot? Seems to me that you're the one who started the flaming...

Let's just stop this nonsense - everyone - and stop being overly sensitive.

 

Back to the issue, my understanding is that the Swedish team did in fact request a review of the contested play - but the judging committee refused to hear the case.

In such instances a visual protest can be effective (although I agree there was certainly a lack of decorum - but passion in sport is what wins medals, yes?)

 

Again let's remeber what what happened in Salt Lake City:

www.sale-pelletier.com[/url]]As the skaters were doing media requests, allegations were made during the post-event judges meeting of misconduct in the judging of the pairs event. The controversy settled on the French judge who was reported to have admitted voting for the Russians as part of a vote-swapping plan under pressure from her federation. The French federation released the following statement: "'Some people close to the judge have acted badly and have put someone who is honest and upright, but emotionally fragile, under pressure,' Didier Gailhaguet said of Marie Reine Le Gougne (judge). 'She is a fragile person and I think she has been somewhat manipulated.'"

 

With the judges admission, Skate Canada filled an appeal with the International Skating Union (ISU). Under pressure from the International Olympic Committee (IOC), the ISU announced they would hold an internal investigation to examine the judging of the pairs event. Four days following the pairs long program, the IOC and ISU held a press conference to announce that Jamie Salé and David Pelletier would be awarded the gold medal, a shared gold medal with the Russians Elena Berezhnaya and Anton Sikharulidze.

 

“The International Olympic Committee executive board decided to award Jamie Salé and David Pelletier from Canada a gold medal in the figure skating pairs competition today in Salt Lake City. Following a meeting with IOC president Jacques Rogge, International Skating Union president Ottavio Cinquanta called an ISU council meeting last night, following the figure skating men's free skate competition. The ISU Council decided to suspend Judge Marie Reine Le Gougne for misconduct and to recommend to the IOC executive board it also award a gold medal to Jamie Salé and David Pelletier. 'This was an extraordinary deliberation of the ISU in the presence of a really extraordinary situation,' said Ottavio Cinquanta, president of the skating union.”

 

It wasn't until the media frenzy & the resulting judge's admission that any action was taken up with the ISU. You cannot go around making official depositions based on theoretical evidence - these people are athletes and coaches not interpol investigators. Without an admission it's next to impossible to prove that there was corruption. But by all accounts, during the match it was plain to see...

[Yervant1]

Dear shield-maiden,

 

I think you are taking this thing too personal and accusing others that they are insulting you, in reality you are the one who can't accept the opinion of others when it differs from yours. There is a big difference between giving opinion and passing judgement, since you have every right to express your opinion so does the rest of the members including me.

 

And what about this interjection of a Turk and an Azeri in every sentence?

[Arpa]

Ara's saga has been all over the network. I hope Sweden will make it an issue of international corruption and sue the IOC off their "wrestling vartiks".

Many medals have been reversed years after. Even some are in jail for "doping" ten years after.

Edited August 15, 2008 by Arpa

[DominO123]

Way to throw out the personal insults. You know what's ignorant? Lording over this forum and resorting to petty name calling when someone dares disagree with you. As I said before, he and the Swedish delegation can go through the proper channels to present their allegations of bribery and cheating. No need for any gnashing of teeth and beating of chests at this supposed crime that has been committed. Funny how none of the other wrestlers complained about the judging. Real professionals don't cause scenes and ruin the awards ceremony for the other winners. You think that sort of behavior is ok, that's just dandy, but I expect a higher standard of behavior and decorum from Armenians. Tell me, had this been a Turk would you be getting so worked up over judging "injustices?" Because this incident certainly has nothing to do with Armenia participating in the Olympics.

 

This has nothing to do with Armenians or Turks, the Turkish fighter was also cheated against, not the same way but still. This sort of archaeic system should be changed or there should be no games in the olympics which depends on a judging system. Yesterday in boxing a player from Irland was recieving heavy beatings while points were awarded to him. Those announcing the event on TV were reporting the cheaing going on and the Chinese there were booing.

 

The judging system is corrupted in many sports and many have tried to change that without success, Ara did an excellent job, and this regardless of his Armenian origine. You don't know what you're talking about, the problem and I repeat, is that the federation who study the cases is the body accused of corruption so what you claim maks no sense.

[DominO123]

THE REAL WINNER AT THE OLYMPICS IS ... ARMENIA

 

Reuters

Thursday August 14 2008

 

BEIJING, Aug 14 (Reuters) - With a population of 1.3 billion some

might argue that China should be leading the medal tally at the

Olympics but the real winner is ... Armenia.

 

The Los Angeles Times has compiled a tongue-in-cheek list of winning

nations based on medals per capita and six days into the Aug. 8-24

Games the former Soviet republic of Armenia, with population of nearly

3 million, leads with three bronze medals.

 

Georgia, with 4.6 million people, is in second place with two gold

medals -- in men's judo and Greco-Roman wrestling -- and one bronze,

while at home the nation is at loggerheads with Russia over the

breakaway Georgian region of South Ossetia.

 

Australia, with a population of 20.5 million, is standing firmly in

third place with 16 medals, including five gold medals, three of them

won by rising star of the pool Stephanie Rice.

 

Switzerland, with 7.6 million people, won a cluster of cycling medals

to ride into fourth place, with Roger Federer still in the hunt for

the men's tennis title.

 

The alternative medal table by the Los Angeles Times had the Bahamas,

with a population of 300,000, winning the medal count at both the

Sydney Olympics in 2000 and the Athens Games in 2004.

 

[DominO123]

MONGOLIA THE NEXT RISING STAR IN MEDALS PER CAPITA LIST

 

Los Angeles Times

5:38 PM, August 14, 2008

CA

 

Medals Per Capita adores getting all snooty at the snooty big countries

and lavishing attention on the chronically overlooked and, in that

vein, will take this opportunity to salute to the hilt one Mongolia.

 

Now, the proper noun "Mongolia" doesn't tend to come up in day-to-day

American dinner conversation, but Medals Per Capita aspires to change

that by announcing that after Thursday's results in Beijing, Mongolia

barged from No. 10 clear to No. 3 in the real rankings of the Olympics.

 

These rankings, of course, represent a rational, prudent, authentic

antidote to the thoughtless, sloppy, phony Medals Table, which simply

lists medals won and calls it a shiftless day. The top of the Medals

Table features some sort of fracas between China and the United States,

blah-blah-blah-blah-blah, plying standard ignorance to ignore that it's

a lot more commendable to wring two Olympic medals from a population

of 2.9 million (Mongolia) than to get, oh, 35 from 1.3 billion (China)

or 34 from 303 million (United States).

 

Those "big two" are having some sort of snit because one side's

gymnasts seem quite possibly 11 years old, while at least both have

ample agreeable weather -- one even has a California in it -- while

Mongolia, now...

 

Mongolians reside on soil seldom arable and in cold so remorseless

that Ulan Bator finishes No. 1 in the World's Coldest Capital City

(WCCC) standings, so they would be 2,996,081 of the most rugged,

fibrous human beings on Earth, starting with Tuvshinbayar Naidan.

 

Naidan, a former wrestler, evidently threw a bunch of people around

the judo rink, reaped his nation's first-ever gold medal and said to

reporters, "There are no words that can describe my happiness."

 

Medals Per Capita would like to agree, given MPC's chronic fondness

for the sparsely populated. Why, Mongolia would be the most sparsely

populated independent country on Earth, 2,996,081 residing in space

roughly the size of Alaska, earning a description from Reuters as

"the windswept Central Asian nation," yet forging a glistening MPC

of 1,498,041.

 

That placed the Mongolians just behind the No. 2 Australians with all

their flip-flops and cute animals and swimming prowess, even while

both trail a gathering Armenian dynasty that's getting serious here.

 

Armenia, another country of 2.9 million, coming off zero medals

in Athens that followed one in Sydney and two in Atlanta, suddenly

has hoarded four bronzes, the latest from Greco-Roman wrestler Yuri

Patrikeev in the 120-kg event. It romped to its third straight day of

MPC throne-sitting, and you could feel the entire MPC board shudder

-- or at least I could -- by a classic MPC intimidation that lowered

Armenia's MPC from a dreamy 989,529 to a celestial 742,147.

 

The top 10 (with a special nod to Cuba, which finished third in Athens

MPC and is getting noisy in Beijing):

 

1. Armenia (4) - 742,147 2. Australia (16) - 1,287,554 3. Mongolia (2)

- 1,498,041 4. Georgia (3) - 1,543,614 5. Switzerland (4) - 1,895,380

6. Cuba (6) - 1,903,992 7. Slovenia (1) - 2,007,711 8. Azerbaijan

(4) - 2,044,429 9. The Netherlands (7) - 2,377,902 10. Hungary (4)

- 2,482,729

 

Selected Others:

 

15. South Korea (16) - 3,077,053 22. France (15) - 4,270,519 23. Italy

(13) - 4,472,717 34. United States (34) - 8,936,019 36. Russia (14)

- 10,050,150 40. Spain (2) - 20,245,526 43. China (35) - 38,001,274

46. Brazil (4) - 47,977,146 50. Mexico (1) - 109,955,400 52. India

(1) - 1,147,995,898

 

Check the first-day listings, led by Australia, here. And further

updates here and here.

 

--Chuck Culpepper

 

Culpepper is a contributor to The Times.

 

[Sip]

I never realized how rediculous the swimming event is ... and instead of having maybe 3 swimming event, there are like what, 20? Why not just line them all up, do one event at like 100m and 200m and do another event at 400m x 4. But nooooooo ... we have to have 100m this, 100m that, 100m something else, 200m this, 200m that, then let's give a medal for each one ... then let's all get shocked that a really good swimmer gets 18 medals.

 

Ok we get it, Phelps is great ... but why not make 20 more swimming events and give him some more medals?

[shield-maiden]

Why do you have your panties all tied up in a knot? Seems to me that you're the one who started the flaming...

Let's just stop this nonsense - everyone - and stop being overly sensitive

 

I gave my opinion and other people started ganging up on me. I certainly had no intention of putting in more than one post on this subject. And panties in a knot? Real mature. Seems to me you guys are the ones getting worked up over some random person not even representing Armenia. He was supposedly cheated? Who cares? That's not Armenia or Armenians' problem. This is the thread for Armenia participating in the Olympics is it not? Why spend two pages attacking another Armenian for the sake of someone who didn't even deign to represent Armenia?

 

Where in this thread did I start "flaming" in? Can you produce the post?

 

But since you're so interested in flaming, I've compiled a list from this thread for you. I never made any personal comments to anyone here, yet you pick on me to protect your Buddy Domino.

 

 

It's so easy to be a Monday night quarterback after the game. Try to put yourselves in his shoes and try to feel how it feels to be robbed in daylight under the watchfull eyes of millions.

Good for him, he is one courages man. We need more people like him in order to expose the corrupted officials.

 

It was not a jab at anyone but a subtle message that passing judgement on others is not a nice thing since none of us was in his shoes.

 

It appears that some individuals amongst us need to grow a pair.

 

He should be applauded for staging a public protest against politicking in sporting events, specially given the history of the IOC.

 

Here is an individual who has dedicated most of his life to training in order to a champion in a sport that has a history of over 2700 years, only to be denied by an iniquitous organization.

 

Here is for Ara, :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: .

 

Yes you to start with, only ignorants place him at fault, the news you reported does not say anything on why he became so angry. The point was awarded to him and then taken away from him and awarded to the other. Then two different judges gave two different reasons as to why this was done so. He has found one of the officials to ask explainations the official laughted at his face, literally. You have this here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqUzIjMTY20

 

He was gone made after this stinking judge who was supposed to judge was laughting at his face purpously provoking him.

 

 

Dear shield-maiden,

 

I think you are taking this thing too personal and accusing others that they are insulting you, in reality you are the one who can't accept the opinion of others when it differs from yours. There is a big difference between giving opinion and passing judgement, since you have every right to express your opinion so does the rest of the members including me.

 

And what about this interjection of a Turk and an Azeri in every sentence?

 

 

Dear Yervant1,

 

I only comment on the situation. I didn't start my posts by getting personal with anyone here or told anyone that their opinion was wrong. Please produce a post where I did any of those things. But people who can't handle my opinion came in here and started making personal comments against me and making vulgar comments about growing pairs, being ignorant, getting panties in knots, saying I'm not a nice. And all this because I merely commented on an article that was posted and people were discussing? Now if that isn't getting over sensitive I don't know what is. No wonder so few people participate in this forum, if this is the reception for every opinion that deviates from that of the regulars. Passing judgment? This isn't a court here, I didn't break any forum rules, and my comments were nothing compared to some of the things (on various people and subjects) that have been written here and other forums. So kindly stop with the double standards.

 

I brought up Turks and Azeris because I wanted to know what the reaction would be from the people here had one of them tried to jump the judges and threw down his medal during the awards ceremony. But no one answered my question. Their actions would be condemned and they would get called uncivilized would they not? Seems to me that nowadays Armenians are too lax when it comes to proper behavior and conducting oneself in public. I doubt Armenians 20, 50, 100 years ago would be cheering on this sort of thing, especially on an international arena where the whole world is watching.

Edited August 15, 2008 by shield-maiden

[MosJan]

WOW I am shocked...there is drama on the board and I am not the cause??

[Yervant1]

WOW I am shocked...there is drama on the board and I am not the cause??

It's all Vava's fault and that guy called Domino.

[MosJan]

It's all Vava's fault and that guy called Domino.

 

vay es canadatsiner@ vay problemov problem en

[Yervant1]

vay es canadatsiner@ vay problemov problem en

Miayn Montrealtsiner@, mnatsats@ OK en.

[MosJan]

Miayn Montrealtsiner@, mnatsats@ OK en.

 

 

Anshusht Yexpiyr jan Anshusht

 

 

Yervand jan es qo tevert ur en yexpiyr jan ??

[Nané]

1. Armenia (4) - 742,147

 

Some might say «այրած սրտի մխիթարանք» but this fact really makes me proud

[MosJan]

[Yervant1]

Anshusht Yexpiyr jan Anshusht

 

 

Yervand jan es qo tevert ur en yexpiyr jan ??

My wings stopped flying me long time ago, too heavy.

 

http://www.theimagevault.co.uk/USERIMAGES/Fat%20Bear.jpg

[MosJan]

My wings stopped flying me long time ago, too heavy.

 

http://www.theimagevault.co.uk/USERIMAGES/Fat%20Bear.jpg

 

 

let me guess Gold medal winner of garbage diving 2008 ???

[Sip]

Not too many things other than buffets can make me run .. but seeing that bear in the wild might just be one of them.