Arlenik Posted July 13, 2008 Report Share Posted July 13, 2008 Hello everyone. I'm a 25 year old Iranian-born Armenian, currently living in Texas. I had a fairly good childhood as I went to an Armenian school and had many Armenian friends and relatives. I was too young back then to fully understand my environment, but I did notice early on how Iranians(Pars) treated Armenians differently. There were a few good Iranians, but, in general, Armenians in Iran are like the black people in the U.S. My family was poor and we always had family problems, but I was fairly happy as I had a lot of fun playing with my friends. I remember how the economy in Iran was bad, and still is, and how corruption had plagued the nation, the religious leaders controlled everything, and the people had very little freedom. I also remember the worse times like the time when Iraq was bombing Iran and we were trying to run for our lives. I've spent as much time as possible studying the events in Armenia, Iran, U.S. and many other places in the world to see the bigger picture and have a better understanding of how the world works. All of my grandparents have died except one; my mother's father. My grandfather is an Armenian genocide survivor. He is 98 years old, but he can still recall his past and how he survived. He lost his father, brothers, and sisters, and finally ended up in Iran after living a few years in Russia with his mother. We've had family and friends living all over the world (Australia, Austria, England, France, U.S., Dubai, Iran, Canada, and of course Armenia) and when I was 12 years old my parents decided to move to the U.S. for a chance of "a better life". I really regret not keeping contact information with my old friends, but I hope one day I'll reunite with them somehow. For the past 13 years or so I've been living in America, "the land of the free, and home of the brave", and trying to cope. I can't say I've had a happy life in America because we still have the same problems as we did in Iran and they are much worse. If you are a middle-class citizen then you are nothing but a slave. The reason people think America is better is because they are shielded from the ugly truth or because they are naive and ignorant. The economy is going downhill, there is serious corruption in the government, fanatic Christian leaders are preaching left and right, the education system is getting worse and worse as they've been systematically dumbing down the population, and dozens of major and minor wars have been conducted around the world for reasons the general public doesn't know. The U.S. government has raped and murdered more people in the world than any other government in recent times. Also, people in America have lost many of their constitutional rights, and many of them don't even know it. You won't believe the number of times I've been sent to the deans office for simply speaking my mind and exercising my first amendment rights (and I'm in college). I don't want to sound "Anti-American", but many of my friends in the 9/11 Truth movement would agree with me. They love America, but they are sick and tired of the corrupt government. That was all background info so I could as my question. Having lived in Iran and America and experiencing the same bull, I've been thinking about moving to Armenia for good. I know things aren't great there either as the economy is bad, and there is corruption and such, but at least I'll be with my people. All the happy times in my life were the times I was with my Armenian friends. Besides my relatives, I've only met one Armenian, and that was by chance and he was not my age. Part of my logic in this is that if I'm going to live and work my ass off to pay taxes and be treated like dirt, I might as well be in Armenia and serve my people, serve my heritage, serve the part of me that's still real. Besides, the way things are right now in America, it seems that we are at the verge of a revolution, something similar to the 60s or bigger, unless of course not enough people wake up on time. Either way I've decided that maybe I shouldn't care, and that may be because deep down inside I know that nothing is going to change in America. So, why waste my life? How do rest of you feel about living in other parts of the world? Why not go back to Armenia? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted July 13, 2008 Report Share Posted July 13, 2008 How do rest of you feel about living in other parts of the world? Why not go back to Armenia? If global warming is truly happening, then I have no choice but to get the hell out of Holland as soon as I can and find higher ground, if I want to survive. Armenia seems like a perfectly good haven. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted July 13, 2008 Report Share Posted July 13, 2008 (edited) If global warming is truly happening, then I have no choice but to get the hell out of Holland as soon as I can and find higher ground, if I want to survive. Armenia seems like a perfectly good haven. Before you leave, please plug those holes in the wall in Rotter-DAM and Amster-DAM. Duuuh!! Why do people build cities below the ocean level? Hurricane Katrina and New Orleans come to mind. When will "father fool" learn that "you can't fool Mother Nature? Mother Nature has been here for zillions of years, she has seen many of us come and go. How long have WE been here? And, to think that Saudi Arabia has replaced Mother Nature!!!??? Lt's go back to Tsaroukian's Tught Ar Yerevan and listen to Mother Nature. "Կարող են մարդիկ խախտել լեռներին Ու բազկի ուժով սանձել գետերին.- Բայց ո՞վ է կարող Ժամանակների վճիռը եղծել, Եւ դիւցազնութեան կապոյտ երկնքում Շողացող աստղին վարագոյր քաշել..." Edited July 13, 2008 by Arpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aratta-Kingdom Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 "How do rest of you feel about living in other parts of the world? Why not go back to Armenia? " I'm leaving for Armenia in couple of weeks. I go back to Armenia becuase that's where my home is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 "How do rest of you feel about living in other parts of the world? Why not go back to Armenia? " I'm leaving for Armenia in couple of weeks. I go back to Armenia becuase that's where my home is. I congratulate you and your decision. It's much easier to move back when you are young and unattached than if you have a family. For the diaspora to consider the move, Armenia needs to develop further socially and economically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 "How do rest of you feel about living in other parts of the world? Why not go back to Armenia? " I'm leaving for Armenia in couple of weeks. I go back to Armenia becuase that's where my home is. BAri JAnaparh yev Ameniyn BArin qez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maral Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 I know a few people who moved there and came running back within a couple of years...it isn't easy...the ones with money couldn't deal with it and the freshly out of college with a degree found a good job with a good non-Armenian company in Armenia couldn't deal with it...it's tough...there is onlly one person I know who went there to open up a business and I hear she's doing ok,just ok,but she is unhappy to be there...it's not easy....I wish you luck...keep us updated on how things end up for you... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maral Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 (edited) I congratulate you and your decision. It's much easier to move back when you are young and unattached than if you have a family. For the diaspora to consider the move, Armenia needs to develop further socially and economically. from the ones who have made the move and came back and the ones who have visited this past year,they tell me that it'll take 50-100 years for them to develop socially and economically... Edited July 15, 2008 by Maral Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 from the ones who have made the move and came back and the ones who have visited this past year,they tell me that it'll take 50-100 years for them to develop socially and economically... I'm more optimistic than that, well I'm hoping I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nané Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 For the diaspora to consider the move, Armenia needs to develop further socially and economically. The way I see it, the diaspora should expedite the social and economical development by integration. In short, we need to have more Armenians IN Armenia. And yes Maral, it is not easy. But it would be foolish to think that it would be easy. It's a newborn Republic. On top of that, nothing is easy with us (Armenians). All we need is collective effort and collective consciousness. If we all want the same thing and strive towards that goal ... it will become a reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 IIt's much easier to move back when you are young and unattached than if you have a family. We're all attached one way or another. I don't consider that a good enough reason to stay in the diaspora. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 We're all attached one way or another. I don't consider that a good enough reason to stay in the diaspora. The operative word is Easier I didn't say impossible. Also my reasons were the economic and social conditions and not the attachement for the Diaspora to consider the move. There is another issue that we are overlooking is the level of welcoming that you get from the locals, so it's not only a diaspora issue but both parties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aratta-Kingdom Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 Mersi MosJan. Nax uzum em mayrein hogi mej xarisx netem, u dran khetevi hajord qayler@. Yervant jan, tun gnelov arajin qayln em anum. Jamanak a tevelu imnchev harmarves popoxutyunnerin u verjnakan qayli anes. Chayats mek azki zavakner enq, bayc mer u hayastanabnakneri mej aprelavoji u ashxarh@nkalman harcum shat mets tarberutyun ka. Anhnarin vochinch chka, petq e @ndamen@ porcel. Tesnenq inchpes kstacvi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maral Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 it's a nice dream isn't it?going back to the mother country and establishing ones life,sending the children to school there,starting a business...helping the country prosper...it's quite upsetting to see so many try to live that and end up coming home with loss'...financially and in time they spent trying so hard to make it work....it is very disappointing.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crusader1492 Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 it's a nice dream isn't it?going back to the mother country and establishing ones life,sending the children to school there,starting a business...helping the country prosper...it's quite upsetting to see so many try to live that and end up coming home with loss'...financially and in time they spent trying so hard to make it work....it is very disappointing.... God-damn Maral, you're a bummer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maral Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 (edited) watch the language and I'm not trying to be a bummer,it's just what I have been hearing from first hand experiences,would you prefer I lie?....the truth is the truth... I hope the situation changes,it is a great dream we all have to go back home... but you can't live in denial.... well I choose not to anyways,you're free to do as you please Edited July 16, 2008 by Maral Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 The operative word is Easier I didn't say impossible. Also my reasons were the economic and social conditions and not the attachement for the Diaspora to consider the move. There is another issue that we are overlooking is the level of welcoming that you get from the locals, so it's not only a diaspora issue but both parties. I still don't see in what way it's easier. Your other arguments are much more convincing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nané Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 Chayats mek azki zavakner enq, bayc mer u hayastanabnakneri mej aprelavoji u ashxarh@nkalman harcum shat mets tarberutyun ka. Anhnarin vochinch chka, petq e @ndamen@ porcel. Tesnenq inchpes kstacvi. Aratta ... ayo, tarberutyun ka bayts voch SHAT METS. Yes kartsum em yerb da zgas yev haskanas shat aveli nerdashnak klini andzd shrjapatid het. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 I still don't see in what way it's easier. Your other arguments are much more convincing. Could you please tell me which is easier, whether you are single or married with two children? This is my origional post. I congratulate you and your decision. It's much easier to move back when you are young and unattached than if you have a family. For the diaspora to consider the move, Armenia needs to develop further socially and economically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 Could you please tell me which is easier, whether you are single or married with two children? Obviously you're expecting me to say that leaving everything behind and starting a new life is easier for a single person than it is for a married couple with kids. But you would be forgetting that a single person might have plenty of things to be attached by, such as family, friends, work, and an entire environment that they have built around them. Those things are not so easy to leave behind for many people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maral Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 (edited) Nairi,it's not just leaving family/friends behind.It's also how those you take with you deal with being there. One of the families who moved there were not happy with the school sytem,they even tried the American private schools there and it was way below basic standards...another cousin of mine moved there found a good job with a foreign company and still couldn't make it...there are so many different difficulties to deal with once they are there....I really hurt for the country,I feel bad for those who spent money and came back with nothing to show for it,I feel bad for the time they spent there knowing that if they had spent that time and effort here they would have most probably been way ahead in their careers,I now one more single person who is going to move this year,we'll see what they report back Hopefully they will have a more positive outcome and set an example for others.... Edited July 16, 2008 by Maral Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 Obviously you're expecting me to say that leaving everything behind and starting a new life is easier for a single person than it is for a married couple with kids. But you would be forgetting that a single person might have plenty of things to be attached by, such as family, friends, work, and an entire environment that they have built around them. Those things are not so easy to leave behind for many people. I see your point, I hate to move from my house because I'm attached to my fruit trees in my backyard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maral Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 I hear they have fruit trees in Armenia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 I hear they have fruit trees in Armenia yes we do and the best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 I hear they have fruit trees in Armenia But it wouldn't be the same trees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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