Maral Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 yes we do and the best that's the first thing everyone says once they get back,how delicious the fruits and vegetables are Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maral Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 But it wouldn't be the same trees. good point....degheht getzeer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 that's the first thing everyone says once they get back,how delicious the fruits and vegetables are Xndrum em x@rjatseq indz:( mexq em quyr@s Yerevanits Tsirani yev urish m@rgeri n@karner e ugharkum Hayr@s Marashits n@karner e ugharkum, Sanik@s artsaxits e n@kar ugharkum ba ye s mexq chem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 Xndrum em x@rjatseq indz:( mexq em quyr@s Yerevanits Tsirani yev urish m@rgeri n@karner e ugharkum Hayr@s Marashits n@karner e ugharkum, Sanik@s artsaxits e n@kar ugharkum ba ye s mexq chem Toronto-is n@kar kuzes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maral Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 Palmdaleetz ngar goozehs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arlenik Posted July 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2008 Yes, it's going to be hard, obviously. The greatest things in the world were achieved through hard work and determination. Such an idea is foreign to many people who have gotten used to government social welfare programs. The way I see it the main problem with Armenia is that it doesn't have free market. It doesn't have freedom, period. It takes orders from the world powers and the central banks, and the people who are supposedly running Armenia don't serve in the best interest of the whole nation. The only way for Armenia to rise from the ashes is for the diaspora to migrate back and utilize what they have learned and experienced in the western world to rebuild the country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maral Posted July 17, 2008 Report Share Posted July 17, 2008 if you end up moving back,let us know how it goes... what would you do once you get there? how would you make a living? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashot Posted July 18, 2008 Report Share Posted July 18, 2008 Maral jan, I think the problem with those who go and come back unsatisfied is what they expect and what the result is... First of all, most of them expect to input money into a business and make money without paying so much high taxes, well, they are wrong... In the US, you end up paying taxes and other fees so much that an average business doesn't leave you enough money to expand and grow... now, what makes everyone think you can go to Armenia, open a business in there and expect to make so much money to open the second one within the next year? same thing is over there, an average business is to feed your family and allow yourself to have a descent living, one difference is you pay the taxes to people that knock on the door, not with mail... Therefore, these people come back unhappy and stating that Armenia needs 50-100 years to become a better state. Have you considered the fact that Armenia has one of the fastest growth in economy? Have you considered the fact that Armenia is more stable than MANY MANY MANY countries surrounding it? well consider this - TODAY Armenia is more stable then the US itself, and Armenia has the support from the one and only world power - Russia! no it is not like the communist era, Russia is not going to dictate Armenia, but it does support Armenia all the way. Therefore, within the next 10 years Armenia will be a better place to live in then 70% of the rest of the world... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted July 18, 2008 Report Share Posted July 18, 2008 ash, i don't think people who go to armenia are completely unaware of the economic hardships or high taxes (bad idea in an emerging economy anyways, but that's another topic) or other standard/normal difficulties that come with relocation and business operation... people are discouraged by other factors, such as high corruption, neighborhood thugs and the police who are in their pockets, illogical bureaucratic obstacles, made even worse by careless and completely indifferent workers, etc. etc.... and what's really heartbreaking, people's acceptance of these phenomenon as normal way of life... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted July 18, 2008 Report Share Posted July 18, 2008 (edited) Stories of the kind did very little to encourage diasporan participation and or relocation http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=10...amp;hl=najarian As long as those imbecile locals view us diasporans as bovine ktan kov/կթան կով, cash/dollar cows, idiots with big tstisiks.... Yes, we do at times pay $200 for a hotel room that goes for $20 in America.... with much better srvice and amenities, not the least of them a decent zugaran??? Please don't remind me of AB's all time masterpiece- "Shithouses of Yerevan". I wish he would repost that "masturbees". Edited July 18, 2008 by Arpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashot Posted July 18, 2008 Report Share Posted July 18, 2008 ash, i don't think people who go to armenia are completely unaware of the economic hardships or high taxes (bad idea in an emerging economy anyways, but that's another topic) or other standard/normal difficulties that come with relocation and business operation... people are discouraged by other factors, such as high corruption, neighborhood thugs and the police who are in their pockets, illogical bureaucratic obstacles, made even worse by careless and completely indifferent workers, etc. etc.... and what's really heartbreaking, people's acceptance of these phenomenon as normal way of life... everything takes it's time to heal and make things better, the main problem is when you go there as a tourist and you see the warm welcome from everyone and then go there to live there and make business, big mistake to do business with the family members and people you know for a long time... they are the ones to put you down first, it is really hard for diasporans to make business in Armenia, not anytime soon anyways! Har jan, but brother please, just because we are blinded and do not see the corruption in the US, doesn't mean it's not corrupted, it is very corrupted, and within the hunderts of millions of people we just don't see it... It is easier to se within couple of hundred tousand because of a simple saying "all eyes on you"! I mean brother come on even the judicial system is screwed in here, nothing is legit, everything is corrupted beyond our knowledge! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted July 18, 2008 Report Share Posted July 18, 2008 Maral jan, I think the problem with those who go and come back unsatisfied is what they expect and what the result is... First of all, most of them expect to input money into a business and make money without paying so much high taxes, well, they are wrong... In the US, you end up paying taxes and other fees so much that an average business doesn't leave you enough money to expand and grow... now, what makes everyone think you can go to Armenia, open a business in there and expect to make so much money to open the second one within the next year? same thing is over there, an average business is to feed your family and allow yourself to have a descent living, one difference is you pay the taxes to people that knock on the door, not with mail... Therefore, these people come back unhappy and stating that Armenia needs 50-100 years to become a better state. Have you considered the fact that Armenia has one of the fastest growth in economy? Have you considered the fact that Armenia is more stable than MANY MANY MANY countries surrounding it? well consider this - TODAY Armenia is more stable then the US itself, and Armenia has the support from the one and only world power - Russia! no it is not like the communist era, Russia is not going to dictate Armenia, but it does support Armenia all the way. Therefore, within the next 10 years Armenia will be a better place to live in then 70% of the rest of the world... Russia is dictating Armenia , Russia is only supporting Armenian for it's own interests Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maral Posted July 19, 2008 Report Share Posted July 19, 2008 (edited) how about the general public looking to screw you over cause you're from the diaspora? how about the suppliers charging you more for your business supplies because they they think you have an unlimited supply of money,because you are from the diaspora... those were the kind of issues that sent people back here.... it's just disappointing when you hear things like this over and over and over again.... I truly hope that like Ashot said there will be a big difference there in the next 10 years.... Edited July 19, 2008 by Maral Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashot Posted July 19, 2008 Report Share Posted July 19, 2008 Russia is dictating Armenia , Russia is only supporting Armenian for it's own interests To support and input money into something or someplace does not necessarily mean dictate it, yes they have saying in the stuff they invest in, but nothing more then that... yes if you input money into something indeed you would do it for interest! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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