LTP and his rise to power

[elle]

STRATEGIC RESEARCH CENTER MAKES SENSATIONAL DISCLOSURES

armtown.com

 

The Strategic Research Center of Moscow has published an analytical report entitled “The Presidential Elections of Armenia from the Point of View of Ex-President L. Ter-Petrosyan’s Influence on the Internal Political and Electoral Processes”.

 

The “Analytical Report” provides a detailed description of the stages of Ter-Petrosyan’s political career from 1988 onwards. In particular, the Russian analysts provide the following information on L. Ter-Petrosyan’s political steps:

 

“L. Ter-Petrosyan did not stand close to the sources of the Artsax Movement; he joined it later, after feeling that this force might bring him to power. And the fact that he, together with his companions-in-arms, was arrested by Mr. Gorbachov’s decree made him a hero. And that he was released just six months later is estimated as a proof of the fact that Mr. Ter-Petrosyan was recruited by the Soviet Intelligence Services.

 

There is some documented evidence on the real motives of L. Ter-Petrosyan’s being involved in political processes in the 1980’s. The orientalist, formerly less popular but materially well-off, was pushed to the demonstration arena in April-May 1988 by the desire of saving his brother, Telman Ter-Petrosyan who was accused of large-scale embezzlement and bribe-taking and was in custody pending trial.

 

As reported by several sources, Telman Ter-Petrosyan, the manager of one of the large enterprises, was not only one of the wealthiest people in Armenia but also one of the masters of the ‘black cash’ of the Communist Party – a holder of amounts envisaged for giving bribes on different levels through the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Armenia.

 

And this key figure, one of the pillars of Soviet Armenia, was overthrown by the Gorbachov-led system of ‘perestroyka’. It was necessary not only to save Telman but also make the system collapse so as it wouldn’t recover its punitive force. Therefore, together with the pro-Artsax speeches, one of the first appeals of L. Ter-Petrosyan was ‘To remove the Prosecutor General of the Republic’. The appeal was accepted with enthusiasm. The goal was achieved. The Prosecutor General was removed from office, and the newly-hatched member of Artsax Committee had his brother released from prison.

 

As to L. Ter-Petrosyan’s second “advent” in autumn 2007, the analysts of the Strategic Research Center of Moscow present quite interesting observations in this regard.”

 

In particular, the authors of the “Analytical Report” say that Ter-Petrosyan and his team received tremendous amounts of financial resources for the electoral campaign. Turkey and Azerbaijan provided the funding through the Western Foundations.

 

The specialists of the Strategic Research Center are sure that Ter-Petrosyan’s return to the political arena was not absolutely impromptu. “There are grounds to assume that different foreign structures played a special role at the stage of preparing his return. Every year, the ‘British Council’ sends active young people to study in the Public Policy School of the Birmingham University. For being awarded the ‘Achieving’ scholarship, it is necessary to submit recommendations from the liberal parties, and the Armenian Pan-National Movement is one of them.”

 

“There emerged the youth movement called ‘Sksel a’; it first organized innocent flash mobbers and carnivals, attracting students to its ranks. The movement was funded by Britain. Step by step, it became politicized. Last year, the funding of the movement made up more than 100.000 pounds.”

 

According to the data of the Strategic Research Center of Moscow, the foundations named after Fredric Nauman and Fredric Ebert, as well as “Eurasia” foundation and others provided funding to the organizations supporting the Armenian Pan-National Movement for 10 years continuously.

 

In 2007, a number of activists belonging to anti-government youth movements and having ties with the Armenian Pan-National Movements (Ter-Petrosyan’s Press Secretary was one of them) were awarded scholarships in different universities abroad, e.g. the United States, Great Britain etc. During the whole year, the studied the political technologies and returned to Armenia prior to Mr. Ter-Petrosyan’s pre-election campaign.

 

“Since the very start of Ter-Petrosyan’s electoral struggle, the group of politicians representing ‘Spectrum’ Strategic Analyses Center have been working in Yerevan; they are also members the International Institute of Strategic Research, London, The US Naval Foundation. According to non-official data, ‘Spectrum’ is an organization actively cooperating with the Turkish and Azerbaijani Intelligence Analytical Center,” the analysts of Moscow announce.

 

In addition to all this, it is worth mentioning that the activists of the Armenian Pan-National Movement have received their Master’s Degrees from the NATO University, studied in the Political Research and Public Administration School of NATO, taken special leadership courses in the G. Marshal European Center of Security Issues, Garmish-Partenkirchen, Germany.

 

 

To be continued

 

 

[elle]

This video is about political chaos and how easily rallies can get out of hand and manipulated if you pay few people. This is very interesting. I'm posting it here since it has a lot to do with LTP's political rallies and the above article.

 

It's called "Kto Zakazivaet Chao" (Who orders chaos)

 

http://rutube.ru/tracks/269210.html?v=2694...07f276e1555e337

 

 

[MosJan]

In particular, the authors of the “Analytical Report” say that Ter-Petrosyan and his team received tremendous amounts of financial resources for the electoral campaign. Turkey and Azerbaijan provided the funding through the Western Foundations.

 

tremendous amounts of financial resources ?? haw much ??? 10 M 20 ? 50 ? 100 ??

 

 

[Z'areh]

elle, we have to be careful here.

 

Far from being a defender of LT Petrosian, we have to be careful not to fall in yet another trap.

 

 

First question comes to mind, where was this seemingly impressive sounding institute "The Strategic Research Center of Moscow" before the elections? secondly, whatever "accusations" that is being implied is just that an "implication", which looks and smells more like trying to fit things together to make it look like something other than what it is, all what we read is circumstantial "evidences" that easily can be rebuffed.

 

THese days one word of "association" with the word "West" is enough to CRY conspiracy, Well, the opposite can also be true, any "relevation" from a "Strategic" center coming from Moscow can and should also deserve the same treatment.

 

Let's not forget that Artsakh "problem" is as much Moscow's creation and propagation as it is Baku's.

[Aratta-Kingdom]

STRATEGIC RESEARCH CENTER MAKES SENSATIONAL DISCLOSURES

 

Hayots Ashkhar Daily

Published on May 01, 2008

Armenia

 

We continue presenting to the reader the principal thesis of the

analytical report entitled "The Presidential Elections of Armenia

from the Point of View of Ex-President L. Ter-Petrosyan's Influence

on the Internal Political and Electoral Processes".

 

According to the analysts of Moscow, the events and the consequences

of the events that occurred in Armenia in the period between February

20 to March 2, definitely showed that Ter-Petrosyan had set a more

specific task - to undermine the Armenian statehood and our positions

in the sphere of foreign policy. And the matter is first of all

addressed to the settlement of the Artsax conflict.

 

"Maybe, it was originally planned to do that in a peaceful manner,

so to say: to accuse the authorities of wrongdoings, thus questioning

the legitimacy of the country's new president. However, in that case

it was necessary to have the negative assessment of the international

observers.

 

To the disappointment of L. Ter-Petrosyan, no strictly negative

assessments were achieved even after the recounting of the votes

which were unprecedented in terms of their quantity.

 

And when the President-elect started receiving congratulatory messages,

it became obvious that the world had absolutely no intention to blame

the Armenian authorities for falsifications. The "peaceful" way towards

discrediting the authorities was thus blocked for Mr. Ter-Petrosyan,"

the specialists of the Strategic Research Center say in their summary.

 

Blood - this is what drives the international community to a state of

shock. And it doesn't mater who instigated the bloodshed, and who is to

blame for the victims and survivors. And this is the moment when it is

obviously impossible to avoid the condemnatory statements voiced from

different parts of the world. And such kind of strict remarks cannot

but have a negative impact on the positions of Armenia in foreign

policy issues, especially in the settlement of the Artsax conflict.

 

Considering all this, the analysts of Moscow do not absolutely consider

the March 1-2 events surprising. "Predicting such development of

events was not difficult. Today, when the congratulatory messages are

followed by reproof and open criticism by foreign countries, it is

possible to say that L. Ter-Petrosyan accomplished his mission. Now,

his work will be continued by those who elaborate and sponsor his

program a part of which was L.

 

Ter-Petrosyan's inglorious revival. In all probability, the Armenian

side will hear the responses to Levon's activity at the successive

stage of the Artsax settlement talks."

 

The specialists of the Strategic Research Center underline the fact

that the demonstrative concern of the West in connection with the

events of Armenia coincided, in time aspect, with the exacerbated

situation on the Armenian-Azerbaijani borderline. As we know, on March

4 there was a large-scale armed attack in the region of Martakert.

 

The Moscow analysts draw our attention to the fact that at the

most heated moment of the street conflicts in Yerevan, Sabina

Frazer, representative of the International Crisis Group, made a

statement. The essence of the statement led to the thought that Armenia

and Azerbaijan had allegedly agreed upon the fundamental principles,

with the exception of the width of the corridor connecting Nagorno

Artsax with Armenia and the mechanisms of holding referenda in

Nagorno Artsax.

 

This was Ms. Frazers successive attempt of representing the desirable

as something real; however, the specialists of the Strategic Research

Center believe that "The successive exacerbation of the situation

on the borderline between Azerbaijan and Artsax, especially at

the moment of Matthew Bryza's arriving in Baku, play the role of an

extra message, hinting Armenia to be have a more "yielding" attitude

towards the demands of the West."

 

By the way, one of the analysts of that group is L. Ter-Petrosyan's

former Press Secretary Levon Zourabyan, and the funding of the group

is provided by the ill-fated Soros Foundation. The authors of the

"Analytical Report" generally draw attention to the fact that those

supporting L. Ter-Petrosyan are people with Western experience. For

example, Arman Mousinyan, Press Secretary of the ex-President's

campaign headquarters, has worked in NDI (the US National Democratic

Institution which is sponsored by Madeleine Albright). The same

Mr. Mousinyan has taken a six-months internship in the Washington

Security Institute (WSI).

 

By the way, David Shahnazaryan was the "guest" of the institute

implementing a program run by the daughter of Manoushak

Petrosyan. Let's note that Ms. Manoushak is the closest friend of

L. Ter-Petrosyan's wife.

 

The conclusion drawn by the authors of the "Analytical Report"

of the Strategic Research Center is unequivocal, "In the difficult

conditions currently faced by Armenia, it is more than ever important

to speedily overcome the consequences of the internal political

crisis and undertake urgent measures towards punishing the guilty,

healing the situation in the country and gradually eliminating the

corrupt clan system."

 

BY THE EDOTORIAL OFFICE - The analytical report published by the

Strategic Research Center of Moscow, the principal theses of which were

presented to our reader in the latest two issues of the newspaper,

is an additional proof of the fact that we are dealing with a state

criminal in the person of L. Ter-Petrosyan. And we have the following

question: why is that state criminal still in freedom?

 

[Nazarian]

 

Google results...

 

Looks like some fictional entity to me; probably a brainchild of the KGB.

Edited May 4, 2008 by Nazarian

[Boghos]

I have a hard time giving any value to this so-called analysis. Probably from the same factory of the Protocols of the Learned Elders... :hammer:

[Ashot]

Since you guys are so paranoid about KGB - here is a fact for you tu gulp on - PUTIN IS KGB so is MEDVEDEV... let me hear you say the same things as you say about, KGB BEING ALL THAT BAD, ABOUT PUTIN AND MEDVEDEV

[Ashot]

I wish all of you critics were at a point where you are in the wrath of KGB, I would love to see you guys being in the same position as everyone else... you think you know KGB, you know nothing of KGB, the only reason you all are survivors of something is KGB, you should be thankfull. YOU ALL SHOULD TURN AROUND AND LOOK AT FBI, CIA, IRS AND OTHER "PRIVATELY OWNED" ORGANIZATIONS before you start critisizing KGB. you think you know politics? you think you know LTP? you think you know Serje? YOU REALLY THINK YOU KNOW THE GAME THAT IS BEING PLAYED?

 

ALL OF YOU INCLUDING MYSELF ARE JUST KIDS TRYING TO STAND ON TWO FEET WHEN IT COMES TO POLITICS AND WHO DOES WHAT... ENOUGH OF THIS LTP BUSINESS AND THE SERJE BUSINESS, YOU ALL KNOW NOTHING TO EVEN ARGUE ABOUT IT.

 

Turn around and look at yourselves, take a picture and look at that picture and see how ugly it gets. I will not say more then this, none of us deserve or have the rights to critisize any one, especially LTP and Serzh... you think you can do 1% of what they have done, get your buts up the chair you so comfortly sit in and get to work. Seriously this is getting annoying, it's like you guys have nothing better to do. Get a life, education - politics aint for you if your not in it. and if you were in it then you wouldn't be in here.

[SAS]

Եթե «Ռազմավարական ուսումանսիրությունների կենտրոնում» այսպիսի պարզունակ, ձեռաց հոդվածներ են թխում, ապա առաջանում է մի շատ բնական հարց. պատվիրատուն ո՞վ է: Եվ ինչո՞ւ է «ուսումնասիրությունը» անանուն , ովքե՞ր են հեղինակները:

[Nazarian]

Since you guys are so paranoid about KGB - here is a fact for you tu gulp on - PUTIN IS KGB so is MEDVEDEV... let me hear you say the same things as you say about, KGB BEING ALL THAT BAD, ABOUT PUTIN AND MEDVEDEV

 

Why would I care about Putin or Medvedev? They are the Russians' problem.

 

I meant the Armenian KGB. I don't care about the Russian KGB.

[MosJan]

yekeq hamadziynenq vor sut chk@ vori kes@ jisht ch@lini

 

 

yev vorqan vor levonn e $$ statsel hnaravor e vor nuynqan el serj@ statsats lini

 

yete Armenicum en h@narum or 50m Grant statnan, kam t@rchni g@rip en tsyts talis $25m grant stanalu hamar, kam el inchu che xozeri het kapvats hivandutyan hamar el stanum en voroshaki gumar apa kareli e levon mejtegh berel, dnel @endimutyan rekavar / teknatsu, gal n@ra het hamadziynutyan, yve te levon@ d@rsits $$ kstana yev te Serj@ $$

 

yerku koghmern el lav $$ en stanum, Serjik@ uraxa, Levon@ lava....

mi xumb komunistnerits mnatsats pashtonyaneri hanetsin, mi xumb n@viryalneri bantarketsin....

 

ov tujvets ??? mardiq ov havatum eyin, ov yerazum eyin...

[elle]

Interesting article...

 

И СНОВА -"УШИ БЕРЕЗОВСКОГО"

 

19 февраля в Армении пройдут очередные выборы президента. Как это ни странно, но к нам они также имеют определенное отношение, благодаря беглому российскому олигарху Борису Березовскому. Он же Платон Еленин, он же Мефистофель, как именуют его некоторые продвинутые журналисты.

 

Дело в том, что почти год назад в Киеве прошли консультации между руководителем созданного Борисом Березовским фонда «Гражданских свобод» весьма известным на Украине Александром Гольдфарбом и представителями Армянского общенационального движения (АОД), возглавляемого экс-президентом Армении Левоном Тер-Петросяном.

 

Эти встречи были организованы при посредничестве другого доверенного лица Березовского — Давида Жвания. Журналистская молва утверждает, что в них принимали участие некие лица, предположительно имеющие отношение к силовым структурам Армении. Об этом я подробно писал в минувшем году в газете "Крым.ru".

 

Весной прошлого года, накануне парламентских выборов в Армении, Борис Березовский и армянский экс-президент Левон Тер-Петросян пытались объединить вокруг последнего оппозиционеров для формирования в Национальном собрании республики блока, который, выступая под лозунгом борьбы с засильем «карабахского клана», должен был сыграть решающую роль в нынешней президентской гонке.

 

Тогда затея Березовского с превращением Армении в плацдарм борьбы с Москвой закончилась провалом. Кандидаты от так и не объединившихся оппозиционных партий, за исключением "американского агента" Раффи Ованисяна, потерпели фиаско на парламентских выборах, а возглавляемое Тер-Петросяном Армянское общенациональное движение (АОД) вообще отказалось от участия в них.

 

Наверное, тогда многим наблюдателям, следящим за событиями в Армении, могло показаться, что вынашиваемая оппозиционерами и их зарубежными друзьями идея скорейшей смены власти в Ереване умерла вместе с мечтами функционеров АОД о депутатских мандатах. Однако те, кто так думал, серьезно заблуждались. Как выяснилось, и Березовский, и Тер-Петросян прекрасно помнили древний постулат о том, что "проигравший бой еще не проиграл войну".

 

От информированных источников, близких к штабу еще одного оппозиционного кандидата в президенты Армении Артура Багдасаряна, журналистам стало известно, что в ноябре - декабре прошлого года вновь активизировались контакты между эмиссарами Березовского и Тер-Петросяна. Однако сейчас в качестве места их встреч выбран не Киев, а более удаленное от Армении южное побережье Франции (где, кстати, находится принадлежащий сыну Тер-Петросяна Давиду дворец с полем для гольфа). В лучших традициях голливудских шпионских фильмов рандеву посланцев "лондонского сидельца" и "отца армянской независимости" проходили на борту яхты, принадлежащей одному не очень известному, но весьма состоятельному армянскому бизнесмену.

 

Как предполагается, Березовский, осознавая, что февральские выборы являются последним шансом для «захвата армянского плацдарма» и уже потраченные им деньги могут пропасть впустую (как уже было после нашей славной "помаранчевой" революции) предложил Тер-Петросяну попробовать силовой сценарий «революции баклажанов».

 

Суть идеи состоит в том, что, когда 20 или 21 февраля на улицы Еревана выйдут ведомые активистами АОД «возмущенные украденными голосами» «простые армянские избиратели», их поддержат армейские части и подразделения МВД. Благо, в руководстве силовых ведомств осталось немало генералов, сочувствующих своему первому верховному главнокомандующему.

 

Косвенно на возможность такого сюжета указал сам Тер-Петросян, заявивший в середине января о том, что через «20 дней представители налоговой, правоохранительной и силовой систем не будут подчиняться» действующим властям. Казалось бы, неимоверная глупость - предупреждать противников о готовящемся перевороте. Однако в эти сроки, скорее всего, ничего не произойдет, а бдительность властей будет усыплена.

 

Безусловно, готовность силовиков «защитить демократические завоевания» необходимо простимулировать. В частности, ближайший соратник Тер-Петросяна Александр Арзуманян (возможно, на радостях) (his wife is Jewish)недавно говорил в штабе АОД о каких-то «первых 7 миллионах долларов, которые уже переданы по израильским каналам». При этом в качестве их получателя упоминалась некая Людмила (этим редким армянским именем зовут жену Тер-Петросяна). Как говорят французы, "шерше ля фам".

 

А может, Борис Абрамович уже начал отрабатывать перспективный сценарий для Украины? Чем черт не шутит? У нас ведь продвинутых женщин хоть отбавляй...

 

Виктор КОВАЛЕНКО

 

 

 

[elle]

This is the English translation of the Russian article. It contains some grammatical errors due to its direct translation on google.

 

 

February 19 in Armenia will go next presidential elections. It is strange to us but they also have some relevance, thanks Fugitive Russian oligarch Boris Berezovsky. He Platon Elenin, it is Mephistopheles, as some call it advanced journalists.

 

The fact is that almost a year ago in Kiev have been consultations between the leader Boris Berezovsky set up a fund "Civil liberties" very well-known in Ukraine Alexander Goldfarb and representatives of the Armenian Pan-National Movement (ADP), headed by ex-President of Armenia Levon Ter-Petrossian.

 

These meetings were arranged through the mediation of another fiduciary Berezovsky - David Zhvania. Journalistic rumors claims that they were involved certain individuals allegedly related to the power structures of Armenia. This detail, I wrote last year in the newspaper Crimea. Ru ".

 

In spring last year, on the eve of parliamentary elections in Armenia, Boris Berezovsky and former Armenian President Levon Ter-Petrosyan tried to unite around the last opposition for the formation of the National Assembly of the bloc, who, speaking under the banner of struggle against domination "Artsax clan", was to play decisive role in the current presidential race.

 

Then zateya Berezovsky with the transformation of Armenia into a springboard struggle with Moscow ended in failure. Candidates from both united and not opposition parties, with the exception of "American agent" Raffi Ovanisyana, failed in the parliamentary elections, and led by Ter-Petrossian Armenian Movement (ADP) in general refused to participate in them.

 

Perhaps, then many observers monitoring the developments in Armenia might seem that harbours opponents and their foreign friends the idea of an early change of power in Yerevan dreams died along with functionaries of the ADP deputy mandates. But those who thought so seriously mistaken. As it turned out, and Berezovsky, and Ter-Petrosyan well remember the ancient postulate that the "loser battle is not yet lost the war."

 

From informed sources close to the headquarters of another opposition candidate for president of Armenia Artur Baghdasaryan, reporters learned that in November - December last year, once again intensified contacts between emissaries of Berezovsky and Ter-Petrossian. But now as a place of their meetings chosen not Kiev, and more remote from Armenia's southern coast of France (where, incidentally, is owned by son David Ter-Petrossian's Palace with golf courses). In the best tradition of Hollywood films espionage Rendezvous messengers "sideltsa London" and "father of Armenian independence" took place on board a yacht owned by a not very famous, but very wealthy Armenian businessman.

 

It is expected that Berezovsky, aware that the February elections are the last chance to "capture the Armenian springboard" and already spent the money they can divide wasted (as has been after our glorious "pomaranchevoy" revolution) suggested that Ter-Petrossian to try to force scenario "revolution eggplant" .

 

The core idea is that when 20 or 21 February to the streets of Yerevan will activists led ADP "perturbed stolen votes" "simple Armenian voters", their support of the army and the Ministry of Internal Affairs unit. Benefit, in the leadership in power left a lot of generals, sympathetic to its first Commander-in-Chief.

 

Indirectly, the possibility of such a story himself said Ter-Petrossian, said in mid-January that after "20 days representatives of tax, law and propulsion systems will not obey" the current authorities. It would seem that enormous stupidity - to prevent opponents of the forthcoming coup. But at that time, most likely, nothing will happen, but authorities will be vigilant usyplena.

 

Certainly, the willingness siloviki "defend democratic gains" must prostimulirovat. In particular, the closest ally Ter-Petrossian Alexander Arzumanyan (possibly on the joys) (his wife is Jewish) recently spoke at the headquarters of ADP about some "first 7 million dollars, which are already on Israeli channels". In doing so, as their recipient mentioned some Lyudmila (those rare Armenian name is the name of his wife Ter-Petrossian). As the French say, "To shershe Famm."

 

Maybe Boris Abramovich has already begun to Develop promising scenario for Ukraine? What features do not jokes? We have advanced since women even more than enough ...

 

Victor KOVALENKO

[elle]

I have a hard time giving any value to this so-called analysis. Probably from the same factory of the Protocols of the Learned Elders... :hammer:

 

 

The Protocols are real!

They only claim that it's fake now because some people know about it.

What has been happening in certain parts of the world is exactly what has been written in those Protocols.

[Z'areh]

elle, again, I don't know what fascination drives you to be interested in such garbage. Some people are attracted towards sappy soap operas, but come on, surely you are intelligent enough to see thru the above jokes that you are presenting as "articles" for consideration.

 

You know that Boris Berezovski is a wanted man in Russia and and a fugitive, you certainly realize the magnitude of the stupidity in the notion of Berezovki using Ter Petrossian as any type of "springboard" towards any political career, and ah yes just to drive a point (?) Arzoumanian's wife is Jewish, then that must explain everything.

 

Not only racist but a sexist article to prove what?

 

 

 

If you missed my above post, I invite you to read it again

 

http://hyeforum.com/index.php?s=&showt...st&p=242788

 

 

 

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[elle]

And what does Berezovsky's 'fugitive' status have to do with anything?

He's very close with Yulia Timoshenko and the rest, so are you saying that just because he's not in Russia he can not support any color revolutions? LOL

I hope you realize how illogical that statement was!

 

 

 

elle, again, I don't know what fascination drives you to be interested in such garbage. Some people are attracted towards sappy soap operas, but come on, surely you are intelligent enough to see thru the above jokes that you are presenting as "articles" for consideration.

 

You know that Boris Berezovski is a wanted man in Russia and and a fugitive, you certainly realize the magnitude of the stupidity in the notion of Berezovki using Ter Petrossian as any type of "springboard" towards any political career, and ah yes just to drive a point (?) Arzoumanian's wife is Jewish, then that must explain everything.

 

Not only racist but a sexist article to prove what?

 

 

 

If you missed my above post, I invite you to read it again

 

http://hyeforum.com/index.php?s=&showt...st&p=242788

 

 

 

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[Boghos]

The Protocols are real!

They only claim that it's fake now because some people know about it.

What has been happening in certain parts of the world is exactly what has been written in those Protocols.

 

If you say so, it must be right.

[MosJan]

yes voch mekin el chem havatum !!!

[Z'areh]

elle,

 

you miss the point.

 

If I have to spell it out then what is the point! This is not about Berezovski nor about LTP, for that matter.

 

obviously you have not read my previous post.