Ashot Posted May 15, 2008 Report Share Posted May 15, 2008 Yervant jan, and you think it's ok for us to sit down in here and say that Beirutsis are idiots, Haleptsis are dumb, Lepanantsis are scums, Parskahays are sutpid??? You don't see anything wrong with this, I guess??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Em Posted May 15, 2008 Report Share Posted May 15, 2008 Arpa, I think I am one of those "idiot Yerevancis" and so are the educated adults I aksed about this "և issue". That is what we were taught in school (though I went for only 6 mos). I will askfor the the correct form of usage- per a Hayastanci educator- and will post it later on. Unless Harut beats me to it. Harut ures? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted May 15, 2008 Report Share Posted May 15, 2008 Yervant jan, and you think it's ok for us to sit down in here and say that Beirutsis are idiots, Haleptsis are dumb, Lepanantsis are scums, Parskahays are sutpid??? You don't see anything wrong with this, I guess??? Ashot Jan, I'm not saying that, of course no one should be allowed to say those things just like that but within context it can be tolerated to a certain limit. For example your post is an example of what I'm trying to say, you said all that but you did not mean it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted May 15, 2008 Report Share Posted May 15, 2008 I don't know if that post is for me? If it is, please realize that I'm as much erevantsi as you are. I was actually quoting Arpa..."For the umpteenth time for those idiots in Yerevan, YEV/ԵՒ IS NOT A LETTER, IT IS A WORD"! T MINE WAS MERELY SARCASTIC NOTATION:) THANK YOU:) Its not a word it is kapakctyun... Չգիտեմ արդեն ինչպես կոչեմ այն հայերենը, որ դասավանդվում է Հայաստանի կրթական համակարգգում, բայց մեծատառ և-ը գրվում է երկու տառերի կապակցությամբ Ե-վ, օրինակ Եվա, իսկ փոքրատառը՝ "և" ..."Եվ" կապակցությունը (կապակցություն ինչպես "ՈՒ"-ն) նույնպես, եթե (թեև սա պատահում է հազվադեպ) Եվ-ը գտնվում է նախադասության սկզբում ապա գրվում է մեծատառ "ԵՎ", (Օրինակ- Եվ աստված ստեղծեց աշխարհը) իսկ նախադասության մեջտեղում երկու բառեր կամ նախադասության մասեր կապելիս գրվում է փոքրատար "և" (օրինակ- Պողոսը և Պետրոսը)... Հուսով եմ ճիշտ բացատրեցի... Ես համաձայն եմ Աշոտի հետ, որովհետև սխալ է խմբավորել և պիտակել մարդկանց...եթե մեկի խոսքից մեջբերում են անում ուրեմն համաձայն են նրա հետ, ուղակի քաջություն չունեն իրենք իրենց կողմից ասելու, որ այսպիսի պահերին ասեն "Չե, ես չեմ ասել, նա է ասել"... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Em Posted May 15, 2008 Report Share Posted May 15, 2008 Mersi Ani. That is exactly what I ws told by numerous ppl. One person is a Master Linguist of Armenian & Russian. I showed her the post and she said that you are totally correct. And I knew that too, I remembered the basics for some reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hetanos Posted May 15, 2008 Report Share Posted May 15, 2008 (edited) Its not a word it is kapakctyun... Չգիտեմ արդեն ինչպես կոչեմ այն հայերենը, որ դասավանդվում է Հայաստանի կրթական համակարգգում, բայց մեծատառ և-ը գրվում է երկու տառերի կապակցությամբ Ե-վ, օրինակ Եվա, իսկ փոքրատառը՝ "և" ..."Եվ" կապակցությունը (կապակցություն ինչպես "ՈՒ"-ն) նույնպես, եթե (թեև սա պատահում է հազվադեպ) Եվ-ը գտնվում է նախադասության սկզբում ապա գրվում է մեծատառ "ԵՎ", (Օրինակ- Եվ աստված ստեղծեց աշխարհը) իսկ նախադասության մեջտեղում երկու բառեր կամ նախադասության մասեր կապելիս գրվում է փոքրատար "և" (օրինակ- Պողոսը և Պետրոսը)... Հուսով եմ ճիշտ բացատրեցի... Ես համաձայն եմ Աշոտի հետ, որովհետև սխալ է խմբավորել և պիտակել մարդկանց...եթե մեկի խոսքից մեջբերում են անում ուրեմն համաձայն են նրա հետ, ուղակի քաջություն չունեն իրենք իրենց կողմից ասելու, որ այսպիսի պահերին ասեն "Չե, ես չեմ ասել, նա է ասել"... Sireli Ani. Es aystegh chem ekel krivner sarqelu. Ughaki indz dur chekav vor Arpan bolor Erevantsinerin apush e hamarum ev tari hamar. Es im kartsiqe haytnetsi, bayts erevum e Ashote sxal haskatsav im gratse. Khoski mejberume chi nshanakum miayn hamdzaynutyun . Da nuynpes ogtagortsvum e hegnakan imastov. Es zarmanum em vor aydpisi tarrakan banere petke batsatrem. Huysov em gone du khaskanas indz. Edited May 15, 2008 by hetanos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted May 16, 2008 Report Share Posted May 16, 2008 (edited) Sireli Ani. Es aystegh chem ekel krivner sarqelu. Ughaki indz dur chekav vor Arpan bolor Erevantsinerin apush e hamarum ev tari hamar. Es im kartsiqe haytnetsi, bayts erevum e Ashote sxal haskatsav im gratse. Khoski mejberume chi nshanakum miayn hamdzaynutyun . Da nuynpes ogtagortsvum e hegnakan imastov. Es zarmanum em vor aydpisi tarrakan banere petke batsatrem. Huysov em gone du khaskanas indz. Khndrem chi stipel indz or aveli birt lezou gorts atsem. Yes mez mejberetsi ayd mius ankird spiurqahay Shahani khosq@ or verj tanq ays animast vejin. Du viravorvetsar ayd "Erevantsi" barov. Let me ask you again. Who the hell invited you to Dallas to tell us that that that soveta (hay) abegtspeghyan orthography is correct. Oh! Of course, I see you moved from LA, one suburb of Erevan to another, Dallas. Don't let me get nasty and speak like that idiot Shahan, yet as Ani says, as long as the likes of you tell us that the Mashtotsian alphabet consists of 39 letters and that YEV is a letter but the other diphthong (yerkbarbar) OU is not , then you have no leg to stand on. Dear "aghber jan" (qez ghourban, du es du mer pushman douman**), did you find all the gold on the streets of Dallas that you could not find in the streets of the other suburb of Erevan, LA? If the Erevantsis of the 40s and 50s can tell those "aghbers" to go back where they cams from so can the dallas-tsis, beirut-tsis and haleb-tsis . In conclusion, as long as there are those who tell me that we have 39 letters of the Ay Ben Gim, and that there is no use for the letters of E/Է and Hyun/Ւ, I will reserve my comments***. And if you expect me , or any other spyurqahay to move to Erevan soon to be subject of ridicule because of our "funny aghber" accent or orthography? Don't hold your breath. ** Please tell us which of those words are Armenian. *** Yev aynqan aten or mer Yerevantsi "aghbernner@" mez asen the YEV @ tar e qan the bar, yes ourish bar chem karogh gtnel nrants nkaragrelou. Edited May 16, 2008 by Arpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted May 16, 2008 Report Share Posted May 16, 2008 (edited) Arpa, I think I am one of those "idiot Yerevancis" and so are the educated adults I aksed about this "և issue". That is what we were taught in school (though I went for only 6 mos). I will askfor the the correct form of usage- per a Hayastanci educator- and will post it later on. Unless Harut beats me to it. Harut ures? Mi ankhelq lenini lakot apoush manuk abeghtspeghyan mi qar glorets Y E V hazar imastun chen karogh hakanal. Where was that IDIOT when Alishan, Tourian, Varuzhan, Siamanato, and yes, Terian, Toumanian and Isahakian were writing with the Mesropian Alphabet? And now, some Yerevanites have the gall to transliterate the works of those geniuses with that ridiculous so called "new orthography". There pught to be a law, unless you want us to convert all the works of Sevak to the Mesropian orthography. Mashtots was not born in Moscow, and neither did he live there any time. He was born and lived his entire life hundreds of miles west of Erivan Gubernii, unless unknown to us there was another Mesrop born in Aparan. Why does the facade of the Matenadaran feature those huge statues of Mashtots and his students? Shall we replace them with those of manuk abeghtspegh-yan? CAN WE STOP THIS CULTURAL GENOCIDE!!! Edited May 16, 2008 by Arpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hetanos Posted May 16, 2008 Report Share Posted May 16, 2008 Khndrem chi stipel indz or aveli birt lezou gorts atsem. Yes mez mejberetsi ayd mius ankird spiurqahay Shahani khosq@ or verj tanq ays animast vejin. Du viravorvetsar ayd "Erevantsi" barov. Let me ask you again. Who the hell invited you to Dallas to tell us that that that soveta (hay) abegtspeghyan orthography is correct. Oh! Of course, I see you moved from LA, one suburb of Erevan to another, Dallas. Don't let me get nasty and speak like that idiot Shahan, yet as Ani says, as long as the likes of you tell us that the Mashtotsian alphabet consists of 39 letters and that YEV is a letter but the other diphthong (yerkbarbar) OU is not , then you have no leg to stand on. Dear "aghber jan" (qez ghourban, du es du mer pushman douman**), did you find all the gold on the streets of Dallas that you could not find in the streets of the other suburb of Erevan, LA? If the Erevantsis of the 40s and 50s can tell those "aghbers" to go back where they cams from so can the dallas-tsis, beirut-tsis and haleb-tsis . In conclusion, as long as there are those who tell me that we have 39 letters of the Ay Ben Gim, and that there is no use for the letters of E/Է and Hyun/Ւ, I will reserve my comments***. And if you expect me , or any other spyurqahay to move to Erevan soon to be subject of ridicule because of our "funny aghber" accent or orthography? Don't hold your breath. ** Please tell us which of those words are Armenian. *** Yev aynqan aten or mer Yerevantsi "aghbernner@" mez asen the YEV @ tar e qan the bar, yes ourish bar chem karogh gtnel nrants nkaragrelou. Khndrem chi stipel indz or aveli birt lezou gorts atsem. Yes mez mejberetsi ayd mius ankird spiurqahay Shahani khosq@ or verj tanq ays animast vejin. Du viravorvetsar ayd "Erevantsi" barov. Let me ask you again. Who the hell invited you to Dallas to tell us that that that soveta (hay) abegtspeghyan orthography is correct. Oh! Of course, I see you moved from LA, one suburb of Erevan to another, Dallas. Don't let me get nasty and speak like that idiot Shahan, yet as Ani says, as long as the likes of you tell us that the Mashtotsian alphabet consists of 39 letters and that YEV is a letter but the other diphthong (yerkbarbar) OU is not , then you have no leg to stand on. Dear "aghber jan" (qez ghourban, du es du mer pushman douman**), did you find all the gold on the streets of Dallas that you could not find in the streets of the other suburb of Erevan, LA? If the Erevantsis of the 40s and 50s can tell those "aghbers" to go back where they cams from so can the dallas-tsis, beirut-tsis and haleb-tsis . In conclusion, as long as there are those who tell me that we have 39 letters of the Ay Ben Gim, and that there is no use for the letters of E/Է and Hyun/Ւ, I will reserve my comments. And if you expect me , or any other spyurqahay to move to Erevan soon to be subject of ridicule because of our "funny aghber" accent or orthography? Don't hold your breath. ** Please tell us which of those words are Armenian. First of all, do not call me aghper please. I see you still stuck on my Dallas experience. Let me ask you.. Who are you to tell me where I should live? Little history for an ignorant fool like you. 1946 Beirut and Alexandria Armenians who went back to Armenia surely had a tough times there. The nation was poor and it was recovering from the war. There was a lot of ignorance among Yerevantsi Armenians toward Spyurkahays. We all know that. However, you are talking to a wrong person if you think that somehow I consider one dialect superior to other. I learned to live quite happily with both, Eastern Armenian and Western Armenian. You should realize that you are talking to someone who is married to 3rd generation Spyurkahay. I do not discriminate my fellow Armenians because of their accent and writings. What I don't appreciate is this ignorant blanket statement and knee jerk reaction from you. There are at least 5-6 generations of Eastern Armenians that use ev in their writings and speech. I'll say this way: If 39 letters worked for Shiraz or Sevak, it surely will work for me! And what is up with your unhealthy fascination with gold? Btw, there are many spyurkahays in Yerevan. Some for pleasure, some for business. I think you should open yourself up and visit Armenia. You will find that not everything is so black and white as you try to portray here. Good luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted May 16, 2008 Report Share Posted May 16, 2008 (edited) I don't have a "fascination with gold", you do, moving from no gold LA to the golden state of Dallas TX . When I moved to America I did not have gold and neither do I now. First of all, ==== And what is up with your unhealthy fascination with gold? Btw, there are many spyurkahays in Yerevan. Some for pleasure, some for business. I think you should open yourself up and visit Armenia. You will find that not everything is so black and white as you try to portray here. Good luck As to "visit Armenia". I have. 4 times in the last 10 years. I have many kissy huggy friends there. How about you? Have you yet become the zillionaire, sweep gold on the streets, that you dreamed to be when you moved out of Yerevan? Listen! You yerevantsi ginto mankglavik! As long as you insist that the Ayb Ben Gim consists of 39 letters you have no place in Dallas or Dakota. This is our aghbanots. When we say Mashtots invented 36 letters you better comply, or go back whichever hell hole you came from. You have stolen, chosen my moniker of "hetanos" as your screen name, yet you display an unwavering loyalty to that abegh-yan neo-religion. Are we here to unite the nation or find more lines of division? Edited May 16, 2008 by Arpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted May 16, 2008 Report Share Posted May 16, 2008 Why is it so difficult to have a civilized discussion as adults without resorting to name callings and cursing, please stay within the subject matter only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hetanos Posted May 16, 2008 Report Share Posted May 16, 2008 (edited) I don't have a "fascination with gold", you do, moving from no gold LA to the golden state of Dallas TX . When I moved to America I did not have gold and neither do I now. As to "visit Armenia". I have. 4 times in the last 10 years. I have many kissy huggy friends there. How about you? Have you yet become the zillionaire, sweep gold on the streets, that you dreamed to be when you moved out of Yerevan? Listen! You yerevantsi ginto mankglavik! As long as you insist that the Ayb Ben Gim consists of 39 letters you have no place in Dallas or Dakota. This is our aghbanots. When we say Mashtots invented 36 letters you better comply, or go back whichever hell hole you came from. You have stolen, chosen my moniker of "hetanos" as your screen name, yet you display an unwavering loyalty to that abegh-yan neo-religion. Are we here to unite the nation or find more lines of division? I'm trying to have an intelligent conversation with you, but you keep throwing labels and insults without coherently organizing your thoughts. Therefore, I have no desire to continue this fruitless conversation. Btw, I have had nickname Hetanos for more than 10 years. I never dreamed of sweeping gold in USA, nor ever imagined to meet an ignorant and immature Armenian like you! Amenaglkhavore. Hayastanum el en sovoratsnum vor menk unenq 36 tar ev 3 hnchyun. Now let me remind you my very first post. Elegant and peaceful solution. Peaceful. peaceful, peaceful. I wish you the best. Edited May 16, 2008 by hetanos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted May 16, 2008 Report Share Posted May 16, 2008 (edited) My only regret and wish is that Mesrop were not to waste so much time an energy inventing a letter for every sound. I wish he had lived long enough to see how the Latins, and others use diacritical marks and combinations to create diphthongs/yerkbarbar to create new sounds like putting C nd H together to sound like CH/Չ, S and H/ Շ, K and H to sound like KH/Խ, T and H to sound like TH /Thetaշ and T and S to sound like Ց. Need I say more? That way our Armeno -Latin, Armeno -Greek** translit would have been so much simpler. **Do you want to talk about linguistical politics? Please note that Mesrop was an Hellenophile. The reason why he devised his letters as detached, unlike the Semitic linked, and he chose left to right unlike the Semitic right to left configuration Edited May 16, 2008 by Arpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted March 15, 2011 Report Share Posted March 15, 2011 (edited) See #54 http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=18194&st=40 Its not a word it is kapakctyun... Չգիտեմ արդեն ինչպես կոչեմ այն հայերենը, որ դասավանդվում է Հայաստանի կրթական համակարգգում, բայց մեծատառ և-ը գրվում է երկու տառերի կապակցությամբ Ե-վ, օրինակ Եվա, իսկ փոքրատառը՝ "և" ..."Եվ" կապակցությունը (կապակցություն ինչպես "ՈՒ"-ն) նույնպես, եթե (թեև սա պատահում է հազվադեպ) Եվ-ը գտնվում է նախադասության սկզբում ապա գրվում է մեծատառ "ԵՎ", (Օրինակ- Եվ աստված ստեղծեց աշխարհը) իսկ նախադասության մեջտեղում երկու բառեր կամ նախադասության մասեր կապելիս գրվում է փոքրատար "և" (օրինակ- Պողոսը և Պետրոսը)... Հուսով եմ ճիշտ բացատրեցի... Ես համաձայն եմ Աշոտի հետ, որովհետև սխալ է խմբավորել և պիտակել մարդկանց...եթե մեկի խոսքից մեջբերում են անում ուրեմն համաձայն են նրա հետ, ուղակի քաջություն չունեն իրենք իրենց կողմից ասելու, որ այսպիսի պահերին ասեն "Չե, ես չեմ ասել, նա է ասել"... Dear Ani. We love you. Please don’t be offended, but you need to find other so called “linguists”.Do I understand correctly that in the beginning of a sentence it isԵվ. Btw it is not ԵՎ it is ԵՒAnd in the inside it is և, I don’t even know where that key is, and I could care less.Is it like saying when writing in English we type AND at the beginning of a sentence , and we use this symbol (ampersand) & within? Yes we do. But in formal writing?Speaking of rabizisation of the language!! We need real linguists.Like in texting** we write “? R U” to mean “how are you”?**A whole another subject.The Aremenian word for "kapakctyun" is "շաղկապ/shaghkap" as the English "conjunction". Edited March 15, 2011 by Arpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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