Are Turks Even Human?

[julianfantino]

Holy cow, did you any one here happened to visit www.turania.com?? Their geographical ambitions is just ridiculous. A Turanian empire bigger than even the soviet empire seems to be their one and only goal by the members of www.turania.com

 

The funny thing is these Grey-Wolf fellows don't seem to have any interest in the cultural settings of the so called "turkic nations" they are trying to reunite. All they say is "its turkish" is all they say without any water in the tank.

 

Is the Turanian theory false? All internet searches end me up in some hate rant then factual discussions. Do these Turks have any to talk about other then what battles they fought?? What makes a Turkish nation Turkish seems to be the fact the the conquered were raped by mongols. Now the Turks claim the raped victims to be Turk. Every history book I found seems to state that turk genes were found in so many countries is only evidence of the mongol bloodshed and nothing more.

 

Yet these Turks think that they are some inventer of the wheel. They seem to hate anyone and everyone that don't have their genes. Of all the countries, it seems like Turkey uses hate to promote their nation more so than any ultranationalist that has ever existed.

 

If there are so many racist Turks, how come the media NEVER talks about racist Turks and crimes about racist Turks. I found plenty all over but its never as big as the news about the KKK. What I saw Turks do to Kurd POWs would make every neo-nazi out there look like peaceful flower-gardeners.

 

The most stupid thing I find is when they shoot their own foot by taking the warcrimes of other "so-called turkish" nations as their own accidently. One of my 100000 search results ended me up with a ridiculous claim from a Turk saying that because Japan is Turkish, the Turks are proud that they defeated the US at pearl harbour december 1941 as well as McArthur's battalion in phillipines.

 

This means that the Turks are trying to indirectly say that they are responsible for crimes such as Bataan, Nanking, Burma railway, Phillipine, execution of Anzacs and Marines in Guadacanal and the list goes on.... I have never seen an extremist so dumb as Turks.

 

I ended up here because I know you guys have genuine info on Turks. They are to under the radar. I would like to know what is false and what is true as claimed by Turks from a non-Turk view.

[Johannes]

Hello Julian Fantino, a nice Latin name, sadly I do not know any Latin languages.

 

Armenia (and its region Siunik/Zangezur) is the only brake front of the turanist dreams for unity.

 

Please search also about Paul Goble (or Hoble) and find his suggestion to the Armenians during the Artsakh (they call it N. Karabagh) independence wedding to solute the problem.

 

 

[Stormig]

Of course not. Neither are the Japanese, nor Elvis Presley, nor Abe Lincoln.

[julianfantino]

But why do Turks use hate as a tool for unity? Civilized people today usually don't buy hate to conduct any form of action. Also in pro-Turanian sites, Turks that are not hateful enough are labeled as traitors, infidels etc etc by other more nationalistic Turks. With this kinda atitude even if Turania is to unite there will be massive slaughter within their own ranks because doubt of ones brethren is treason and the law of Turkey. No freedom of speech, opinion, culture clothing etc. is their ideal empire?? There are Turks that have stopped eating rice because its not Turkish enough. Turania seems really dull.

 

Some posts at Turania.com have vowed to not use un-Turk products until governments of their boycott gives them full authority entry into the "claimed-as" Turkish lands.

 

Whats hiliarious was then everyday the Turks claim to have discovered another country with Turkish roots. I am assuming the motive is world domination??

 

Also Pan-Turan seems too selfish. One one hand they want "independence" and "unity" and when they turn around they want to deny everyone else the right to live so the Turks can get more "living space". Double standards?

 

Oh by the way, why haven't the Turks from, all the "stans" said anything yet?? They seem really quiet. And why does the grey wolf salute seems almost the same as the Nazi "seig heil" salute?? The arm posture and angle is the same except they only lifted to fingers in a different way.

 

Finally, what happens if there is no country left for the Turks to claim as Turkish? Will they try to claim Mars as there own too??

Edited October 23, 2007 by julianfantino

[gamavor]

Turks are not human. I think their case is the missing link between the primates and Homo sapiens. Humans in most cases, except those suffering from mental illness possess immanent to self psychic balance which is exemplified by the general human understanding of good and evil. In the case of the turks, there is severe imbalance in that psychic regulatory function which makes them somehow human in appearance, but in their thoughts and actions they resemble their ancient ancestors - the Central Asian steppe wolf.

[hagopn]

Best source for Pan-Turkism is Kaveh Farokh. See his entire book on Pan-Turkism here http://www.rozanehmagazine.com/NoveDec05/aazariINDEX.HTML

 

Even the claim on the "Turan" name is a joke and is false. Check here for the origins of the name Turan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turan

Edited October 23, 2007 by hagopn

[hagopn]

This was discussed before. http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=16430

[Hellektor]

The Turanian Fallacy

http://www.rozanehmagazine.com/NoveDec05/Pic14--TurkExpand.gif

Chronology of the spreading of the Human Civilization-deficiency Virus better known by the four-letter word Turk

In Iranian mythology, Fereidun has three sons: Iraj (Aria), Tur and Salm (Sayrima). Salm received Rum (Rome, the West). Tur received the East. Iraj received Iran.

It is supposed that Iranians are descendants of Iraj, Turanians come from Tur and the Sarmatians are from Salm. All these peoples are of Iranian origin.

The Turanians were the original Iranian peoples of Central Asia who unlike the civilized Iranians were less developed, had a nomadic way of life and had a different religion. The Iranians and the Turanians were often engaged in war, depicted beautifully in Ferdowsi’s Shahnameh.

Of course, the conquest of Central Asia by the savage ancestors of the Turks, the Tu Kiu, who invaded from a region north of Mongolia, changed the demography of the area in favor of the Turks.

Abusing the similarity between the terms Turk and Turan, the Turks have also usurped the word Turanian (along with the rest of the universe) and have undeservedly attributed it to themselves.

[Hellektor]

To answer your question: Turks are not human beings because:

 

I. They descended from the gray wolf. The story of the wolf has several variations, it is in any case as bloody as their real "history". One of them says a young guy with chopped off limbs was saved by a female wolf. Then they copulated and they gave birth to the Turkish species.

 

II. The Turks have missed the train of evolution somewhere down the line between six million years ago, when it's supposed that the humans were separated from the apes, and now.

 

In those six million years and especially during the last 12000, when civilization is believed to have started to develop, human beings acquired additional attributes that made societies and human coexistence possible.

 

It is clear as daylight, of these attributes almost none has yet been acquired by the Turks. Some of these human traits are shame, guilt, remorse, sympathy, compassion, honesty, modesty, sincerity, truthfulness, conscience, objectivity, self-criticism, understanding for the suffering of others, the ability to share others' pain, the ability to value achievements of civilization such as works of art, places of worship, manuscripts, cities, etc. A list that is by no means conclusive.

 

III. They are not human beings because they are Human Culture-deficiency Viruses. They can destroy civilizations better than any calamity, disease or vermin (they are those things as well).

 

 

Genocide in Broad Daylight

 

Nakhijevan, December 2005 not 1905 or 1915.

Destruction of the ancient Jugha cemetery by "Azeri" vermin.

The murderer gets rid of the evidence of the existence of the victim.

 

http://www.armeniangenocide.com/photos/data/500/medium/Destruction-jugha-azeri-beasts-det.jpg

 

 

 

 

[julianfantino]

I am quite concerned with the recent events regarding this whole "war on terrorism" thingy too. Given the specifics of this situation, it has created the perfect environment for the Turks to act with their false claims.

 

Unfortunately too many people believe that suspecting Turks, Islam and Middle East, equates them to Bush and stuff like that. Many leftists can't seem to take the neutral stance and sympathize with anyone from the middle east blindly to show that they are against Bush and the war for oil.

 

This support from different angles, especially the western media as newspapers all seem to have strengthened the most vocal extremists to gain support.

 

The common masses tend to only side with "them" or "us" no in between or the "common sense" stance.

 

I feel that the U.S. should clean up some of the mess they made first because once the Americans pull out of the middle east is where Turkey comes in. Military might of Turkey is only part of the concern.

 

What if the Turks manage to use the Pan-Turanian propaganda to obtain "So-called-Turania" nuclear nations as allies??

One of the reasons Turanians want to unite Korea as their own is because of the nuclear stockpile. Iran's stockpile and Pakistan's stockpile. Also Russia's stockpile is poorly guarded with obselete security that the Turkish government might be able to convince the Tartars and Volgas to help them.

 

Next thing you know the Turks will have the nukes and making the calls for demand with every superpower at its gunpoint threatening WWIII.

 

The fundamentalist ones don't have anything to lose as they believe that they will end up with 72 virgins if they lose. So from the Turk's point of view WWIII is a win-win, according the the Turk.

 

[hagopn]

I am quite concerned with the recent events regarding this whole "war on terrorism" thingy too. Given the specifics of this situation, it has created the perfect environment for the Turks to act with their false claims.

 

Unfortunately too many people believe that suspecting Turks, Islam and Middle East, equates them to Bush and stuff like that. Many leftists can't seem to take the neutral stance and sympathize with anyone from the middle east blindly to show that they are against Bush and the war for oil.

 

This support from different angles, especially the western media as newspapers all seem to have strengthened the most vocal extremists to gain support.

 

The common masses tend to only side with "them" or "us" no in between or the "common sense" stance.

 

I feel that the U.S. should clean up some of the mess they made first because once the Americans pull out of the middle east is where Turkey comes in. Military might of Turkey is only part of the concern.

 

What if the Turks manage to use the Pan-Turanian propaganda to obtain "So-called-Turania" nuclear nations as allies??

One of the reasons Turanians want to unite Korea as their own is because of the nuclear stockpile. Iran's stockpile and Pakistan's stockpile. Also Russia's stockpile is poorly guarded with obselete security that the Turkish government might be able to convince the Tartars and Volgas to help them.

 

Next thing you know the Turks will have the nukes and making the calls for demand with every superpower at its gunpoint threatening WWIII.

 

The fundamentalist ones don't have anything to lose as they believe that they will end up with 72 virgins if they lose. So from the Turk's point of view WWIII is a win-win, according the the Turk.

 

The nuclear support is going to come from their most faithful sponsors, or should I say pimps, the Zionists. The Zionists will not trust the Turks with nuclear arsenal. The possibility is for Turks to gain enough intelligence to outthink the Zionists and botain them independently.