Demonstration of Protest in New York

[ARR]

GOVERNOR DAVIS’S ENDORSEMENT LETTER TO DEMIRCHIAN FORGERY

 

The Glendale-based Asbarez daily reported that the images of two letters, published by a Yerevan-based Aravot daily March 12, allegedly from California State Governor Gray Davis and US Senator Diane Feinstein, endorsing the candidacy of Stepan Demirchian for the Armenian presidency, turned out to be forgery.

 

The governor's alleged letter, written in awkward English, is dated February 23, 2003. The letter purported to be from Senator Feinstein is dated February 21, 2003. Asbarez contacted Governor Gray Davis's office for clarification, since it is not customary for US elected officials to endorse candidates in foreign elections.

 

Governor Davis's press secretary, Steve Maviglio, reviewed the printed image of the letter allegedly written by the governor and categorically referred to it as a "total forgery, a total fabrication." Astonished, Maviglio stated, "No such letter was written; the signature doesn't even look like the governor's. It's a bad forgery; it isn't even our letterhead."

 

Asked whether the Governor intends to take any action to investigate the source, Maviglio said "most definitely" and revealed that the issue has already been forwarded to legal counsel for review. He added that although it is early to talk about legal action, "it's entirely possible." Senator Feinstein's office has been contacted about the matter, and will be issuing a statement shortly.

 

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[MosJan]

Sen. Feinstein's 'Endorsement' of Demirchian Also Forged

GLENDALE—As we reported yesterday, the Yerevan-based 'Aravot' daily newspaper published in its March 12 issue images of two letters, allegedly from California Governor Gray Davis and US Senator Dianne Feinstein, endorsing the candidacy of Stepan Demirchian for the Armenian presidency.

 

Today, Senator Feinstein's spokesman, Howard Gantman, spoke to Asbarez and confirmed that the letter purported to be from the Senator is a "complete forgery."

 

"It's outrageous that somebody would do something like this," Gantman said. "We don't have details yet on to who forged it, [and] why they forged it."

 

Gantman said the Senator's office is conducting further inquiries into the matter.

 

As we reported yesterday, Governor Gray Davis's press secretary, Steve Maviglio, having reviewed the printed image of the letter allegedly written by the governor, told Asbarez that it is a "total forgery, [a] total fabrication."

 

The Governor's office has forwarded the issue to legal counsel for review, and though Maviglio stated that it is early to talk about legal action, he did not rule it out, saying "it's entirely possible."

[MosJan]

kartses te miyayn qocharyan@ che vor kertsiqner e tuyl tvel.

[ARR]

OPPOSITION LEADER’S BROTHER ARRESTED

 

Armenian police have arrested Armen Sarkisian, who is the elder brother of a former presidential candidate, former prime minister and leader of the radical opposition Hanrapetutiun party Aram Sarkisian, on charges of ordering the killing last December 28 of Tigran Naghdalian, chairman of Public TV and Radio Council.

 

According to Armenian prosecutors, the arrest followed after Hovhanes Hovhanesian, one of the men, earlier arrested on charges of being involved in the killing, admitted to receiving orders to kill Naghdalian from Armen Sarkisian. Prosecutors said the confession of Hovhanesian and other related facts were enough to take Armen Sarkisian into custody.

 

Speaking at a Monday news conference Albert Bazeyan, a senior member of the Hanrapetutiun party, accused the authorities of “illegal” arrest of Armen Sarkisian, claiming that he has nothing to do with plotting and killing Naghdalian

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[joseph parikian]

If they are able to forge the two letters then what makes you sure that the ballots that the oposition claim they found were not forged ???????.

I think it is time to exept the election results and move on , the region is facing a very dangerous time , it is time for the Armenian people to stay united and stop the divsion and press on .

I hope every one agrees with me .

[alpha]

Sorry for replying so late.

 

ARR, Aram Sarkisyan, ex-prime minister, became popular when it joined forces with Stepan Demirchyan to resurrect the defunct “Unity” block. As most politicians Aram has had its mistakes, but his services to Republic of Armenia shouldn’t be belittled. Most analysts agree that Aram’s influence in Yerkrapah has kept Armenia from plunging into Civil War in October of 99. He has been active in consolidating opposition and in many ways financing it. He is not as calm and calculating politician as we are accustomed to, but being in forefronts of popular disenchantment with current regime makes him popular. I understand his frustration with Kocharyan’s regime. I’d be outraged if my brother’s killer received unofficial state support and trial lasted for 3+ years and became nothing but a joke. Wouldn’t you? Why do you think the relatives of the killed in October 27 are being harassed by the state?

 

The circumstantial evidence and the behavior of authorities point fingers at Kocharyan-Serge Serkissian duo. All suspects with October 27 case were either pardoned with presidential degree or assassinated. One has to be blind not to see any connections. The October 27 was not organized by “5 crazy romantics” as Kocharian’s junta projects, but it was a meticulously organized assassination that gave “Artsax clan” unchecked powers in Yerevan.

 

There is a popular joke among Yerevanians, “Artsax zavoeval 20% Azerbaijana i 100% Armenii”.

 

sen_vahan, the “bezpredel” of current authorities and lawlessness after 2000 caused internal dissatisfaction. After the victory of Unity block people had some hope in future, which got killed in October of 99. Assassinations are so common in Armenia nowadays. Even common citizens do not feel safe. A man can get killed in front of everybody in the center of Yerevan and go free. It’s nothing less but anarchy. There is a sense of hopelessness in Yerevan, and that’s what forces people take the streets to express their dissatisfaction. The “goghakanner” that were driven out by Vano Siradeghyan came back and Yerevan became “goghakanneri kaghak”. Most of the fraud during the electoral process was done by these “goghakanner” u “taghayin heghinakutyunner”. These the support base of authorities.

 

Externally, I think debt for assets deal was a total rip off. This is not the 18th century to do barter trade. There could have been competitive bidding process and as a result the money obtained from the privatizations could’ve been used to pay off debt. That’s how normal countries do, but unfortunately ours is not so normal.

[MJ]

I'd like to complement Alpha's argument and slightly enhance it by claiming that Aram Sarkissyan has become a politician the day Robert Kocharyan has appointed him as his Prime-Minister. I think this addressed a former question.

[SAS]

Alpha,

 

a Vi povtoryete etot idiotizm i dazhe yego nazivaete ..."shutkoy".

 

Hima hayeren:

 

Indz mot steghtsvec ayn tpavorutyun@, te aystegh havaqvel en neo-bolshevikner( MJ & Co), ovqer irenc veracakan gaghaparneri iragortsman hamar(= demokratia yevropakan kam amerikayan haskacutyamb, azat-ankakh @ntrutyunner, mardu iravunqner yev ayln ) vordegrel en bolshevikneri hin lozung@` INCHQAN VAT--AYNQAN LAV. Vat- Hayastani hamar, isk lav...veracakan gaghaparneri:

 

Paronayq inchi masin eq vi&um? Hayastanum teghi unecan naxagahakan @ntrutyunner yev @ntrvec... Qocharyan@! SA PAST E!!!

 

Voreve mek@ karogh e apacucel hakarak@, vor Bush@ USA-i naxagah@ chi? Isk te inchqan xaytarak dzevov na dardzav naxagah yes che vor petq e patmem USA-bnaknerid:

 

Menq unenq uzhegh, kamayin Naxagah` Robert Qocharyan yev VERJ!!!

 

Stepan Demir&yan@ ir %-@ havaqec ...PAPAYI hishataki KL*** nstats:

 

Aram Sargsyani miak arzhaniqn ayn e, vor baxt e unecel nuyn KL*** serel, inch vor Vazgen Sargsyan@: El ov ka mejner@?

Vazgen Manukyan@` haverzh "dilxor tghen", vor minchev hima krknum e 15 tari araj asvats himarutyun@` "menq` hayers... HAMASHXARHAYIN azg enq"...yev hetaqrqirn ayn e, vor nuynisk hamozvats e dranum...

 

Isk demokratia, azatutyun, mardu iravunqner yev ayln shat lav heqiatner en, bayc, ava~gh, amen inch chi vor trvum e miangamic` aystegh yev hima:

 

Amen inchi hamar petq e V&AREL: Mite hnaravor e 1000 tari chunenal patakanutyun, yev mi 10-15 tarva @ntacqum darnal ...yevropa kam USA?..

 

Mite, aveli irates dirqoroshum chi BAROYAPES ajakcel Hayastani Naxagahin, qan te dimel "ashxarhi bolor azat karavarutyunnerin" inchpes da arel e hargarzhan MJ-in, um hamar KAREVOR chi, te OV kdarna Naxagah, ayl karevor e... "azat-ardar @ntrutyunneri"... VERACAKAN SKZBUNQ@ yev John M. Ordway-i kartsiq@?

[MJ]

SAS;

 

Ko voghormeliutian masin yes meknabauntiun anelu karik chem tesnum. Chem karogh aid hartsum kez gerazantsel.

[alpha]

SAS, I am glad you are familiar with Orwellian philosophy and you’ve probably read his “1984”, where people become merely puppets in the hands of “THE STATE”. Is it the type of country that you’d like to live in? I guess since Orwell’s time world has progressed: Germany became a democracy, European colonialism ended and etc.

 

I see human happiness in a state where every citizen’s right is protected by the state. I don’t see a citizen as a servant to the state apparatus and bureaucracy, I see the opposite. State guarantees people’s pursuit of life and happiness. (in current Armenia life can be taken in center of Yerevan and go unpunished). World history has shown that it’s possible to build a country where it’s created for the people and by the people. People in these countries have prospered and have built stable and healthy societies. Human rights, democracy, freedom those are not myths, but achievable goals. The excuse that Armenia is a newly independent country shouldn’t give anyone a green light to suppress people’s freedom. Look at ex-Soviet Estonia, Lithuania, and Latvia, they respect basic human rights. In these countries state is not a burden on people’s shoulders, like it’s in Armenia. Closing your eyes to reality will not solve any problems SAS. Fifty years ago when Germany and Japan were completely destroyed there was a theory that these countries can not be democratized; because it’s not in their nature and they have not had a history of democratic institutions. History proved these critics were wrong. We are all people and it’s our undeniable right to have freedom.

 

In all civilized elections people do not elect a person, “vozhd’”, but they elect a political ideology that will provide the best guarantees to its happiness and fruitful life. It doesn’t matter whether it’s Stepan Demirchyan or Robert Kocharyan, the only thing that matters is that people’s voice should not be suppressed. Belittling the opposition SAS will not justify conducting fraudulent elections in Armenia. You are underestimating our people’s intelligence by claiming that they have elected incompetent leaders to fight the current quasi legal regime.

 

“Paronayq inchi masin eq vi&um? Hayastanum teghi unecan naxagahakan @ntrutyunner yev @ntrvec... Qocharyan@! SA PAST E!!!” Let me make a little correction to your statement. The fraudulent presidential elections that were conducted in Armenia resulted in coup d’etat, and refusal of the incumbent president to honorably leave his post. Do you want us to respect the organizer of coup d’etat? I can’t?! I have more demanding standards from Armenian authorities.

 

“Mite, aveli irates dirqoroshum chi BAROYAPES ajakcel Hayastani Naxagahin” What kind of morality can you refer to when the whole electoral process was mired with fraudulence? People should accept a slap on the chick by the regime and turn the other chick? Is it what you are recommending?

 

Sev_vahan, I am trying to be optimistic, but blind optimism is not going to solve our problems. Let’s be realistic and face the problems caused by the dictatorial regime in Armenia. If you want to believe the state propaganda of Armenia we can come to the conclusion that because of the enormous economic growth and improvement of living conditions the emigration from Armenia is continuing at ever increasing rate. Don’t you think that’s an oxymoron?

 

ARR, which part of my claims is a libel? The fact that after October 27 assassinations “Artsax clan” achieved unprecedented powers is not debatable. I don’t think you’d disagree with me on that. Or you subscribe to the idea that “5 crazy romantics” can easily walk to chamber of Parliament with weapons and assassinate country’s leadership. Have you tried to walk into that building? I am sure you know that there are security precautions.

 

Why does one clan have to replace another? My support is not for “Ararat” clan, my support is for democratic clan, where human rights are respected.

 

As of Artsax, even though it has not been the center of Armenia, but has played a vital role in maintaining the last remnants of Armenian statehood. The center has always been Ararat valley. We are all Armenians, that’s why Armenia so vehemently supports Artsax at such a great cost. Artsaxtsi are not supportive of Kocharyan clan also. By the way as Artsaxtsi people say nowadays, “Robikin hankarts het ch’uxarkek, chenk uzum, haziv enk azatvel”.

[sen_Vahan]

alpha,

 

"I see human happiness in a state where every citizen’s right is protected by the state. I don’t see a citizen as a servant to the state apparatus and bureaucracy, I see the opposite. "

 

Laws, human rights or citizen's rights, etc are all for poor people and for the middle class maximum. Little by little Armenia will get to the point when there will be several classes and hopefully a broad middle class and that's when the role of laws will become more valuable and important. But even at that time the same laws will "work in a different manner" for the highest class. Germany or the US are not exclusions here.

Although I do appreciate the intelligence of Armenian people but it will take time for the ottomanized , sovietized and whateverized people in our country (I don't consider myself to be an exclusion) to develop a state of respect to citizens' rights.

 

"State guarantees people’s pursuit of life and happiness."

 

It is good you follow and hold that truth

 

"in current Armenia life can be taken in center of Yerevan and go unpunished)."

 

Again, in present day great country US's capital life can be taken... And no punishment very often. And among such places are the same Moscow, Roma, etc.

 

" World history has shown that it’s possible to build a country where it’s created for the people and by the people. People in these countries have prospered and have built stable and healthy societies. "

 

I like generalizations But not all those countries you talk about still exist. So, the end is going to be the same for all, so, lets not hurry, Armenia will have a bright future. Kamaz kshek dzier@

 

"Human rights, democracy, freedom those are not myths, but achievable goals. "

 

One has the freedom in an extent he/she thinks to have. "No freedom" you can frequently listen from japanese. As for democracy it will have its historical end and since we are a kind of late in that route lets not just hurry to catch the train on its way to the very end.

 

"The excuse that Armenia is a newly independent country shouldn’t give anyone a green light to suppress people’s freedom."

 

Yes, that's an excuse and a very serious one. Comparing Latvia ot Litva with Armenia don't forget also to compare our peoples and the menthalities.

 

"In all civilized elections people do not elect a person, “vozhd’”, but they elect a political ideology that will provide the best guarantees to its happiness and fruitful life."

 

Yes, and in Armenia people had such great choices that they went and elected the "vozhd" Kocharian.

 

“Paronayq inchi masin eq vi&um? Hayastanum teghi unecan naxagahakan @ntrutyunner yev @ntrvec... Qocharyan@! SA PAST E!!!” Let me make a little correction to your statement. The fraudulent presidential elections that were conducted in Armenia resulted in coup d’etat, and refusal of the incumbent president to honorably leave his post. Do you want us to respect the organizer of coup d’etat? I can’t?! I have more demanding standards from Armenian authorities. "

 

So, what you gonna do?

 

“Mite, aveli irates dirqoroshum chi BAROYAPES ajakcel Hayastani Naxagahin” What kind of morality can you refer to when the whole electoral process was mired with fraudulence? "

 

Can you prove it?

 

"Sev_vahan, I am trying to be optimistic, but blind optimism is not going to solve our problems."

 

Optimism in minds gives a coherence in the attitude and whenever coherent people achieve more. This is not a blindness.

 

"Let’s be realistic and face the problems caused by the dictatorial regime in Armenia. If you want to believe the state propaganda of Armenia we can come to the conclusion that because of the enormous economic growth and improvement of living conditions the emigration from Armenia is continuing at ever increasing rate."

 

Well, this is simply not true. The emigration rate is DEcreasing not INcreasing. There is no such emigration now as in the beginning of the 90s or even around 1997,8. Moreover, it is a common knowledge that a number of families go back to Armenia from Russia. And the rate of emigration was negative in the last months, more poeple came to Armenia than left.

 

Being isolated btw mainly islamic countries Armenia has the best living conditions compared to Azerbaijan or Georgia although those states have ports/sea, border with Russia and much more natural and human resources.

[Harut]

inch lav a, uraaa!!! aprum en kekhtakuyti verin masum. yekeq aprenq anhog yev arants boghoqelu. yerb k@nkghmvenq khorqer@, ayn hzamanak kmtatsenq.

[Harut]

mek el mi banits em jghaynanum, vor asum en "mi boghoqeq, kamats-kamats lav klini".

 

yete aysor dem@ charnvi, vagh@ vonts lav klini?!?!

hantsagortsnerits tsnvum en nor yev aveli kataghats hantsagortsner.

[sen_Vahan]

Harut,

 

Lav kliner, vor gone mi xumb ays forumum Haystaniz liner u hima masnakzer ays xosakzutyan@: Ayn , inch menk enk xosum aysteg, gtnvelov Americayum, voch mi nshanakutyun chuni, kani vor herviz enk nayum: Menk ekel enk hzor u zarghazog erkir, "xelk enk havakel" u uzum enk ibr Hayastanum mi ban poxel: Bayz poxogner@ nrank en, vor aysor erkrum en gtnvum u vorkan karum en aynkan el poxum en u lavaznum: Ete menk chenk karum mi banov ognel kam ayd prozesin masnakiz linel, avali lav e sus mnank u chporzenk hegashrgel erkir@: Petk e erkrum aprel u nra problemnerov amen or ver kenal, gnal ashxatanki ev ayln... Tesnenk, Hayastani gekavarutyun@ voroshum knduni krknaki kagakaziutyan hamar, u heto kereva, te menk inchkanov drakan klinenk erkri hamar: Isk aysor Hayastan@ gtnvelov pak drutyan meg aveli lav e zarganum , kanz mer harevanner@...

[MosJan]

Yete tuyl k@taq mi qani xos***** aselu. knereq Hayerenov em nax@entrum.

 

Kartsum em boloris srti uzzats@ mekn e - bolors el uzzum enq mer Yerazneri Azat ankax - hzor - verapoxvats mi Nor yerkir - voch te draxtavayr / Idealakan mi yerkir iyl vor mer Yerkir@ mer Hayreniq@ lini lav - mer Jorovurd@ chtarapi yev mi por hatsy hamar hazzar u mi xapkanqi yev qayli dimi.

Yerazanq e sa yev I-tsavoq srty chi patahelu mot apaayum, popoxutyuner en petq yev mets popoxutyuner, miyayn przident kam varchapet poxelov chi lutsvelu iys hartser@ - chi veranalu Maxnoneri yev Ataman-burnashneri gortsuneyutyun@ Hayastanum.

sakayn hnaravor e - arachin@ jorovurd@ inq@ pete patrast lini popoxutyan - petqe sksel jorovrdits. yete jorovurd@ chhaskana te i nchne anum sxal vochinch el chi poxvi.

 

petq e shat baner poxel / mtatselakerp / sovorutyuner. sakayn arachin@ petqe lutsum gtnel - te Darman chunes verqit dnelu - toromats hin Yezan lezun aveli husali e, tekuz yev dandar sakayn k@buji poqer verq@, yev huys dnel vor xndzori kerev@ karror e aveli lav bujel qani vor xndzor@ "tsarits" heru chi @enknum urraki tsnorq, qano vro tsar@ iylevs chka, "yeranakn" el shat shut e popxvum, "katsini" mek harvatsov voch miyayn korqi tsarer@ k@nknen - migutse nayev amborj iygin, enpes vor xndzori vra huys dnel@ der jisjt che, na der kanach e petqe hasunana, havaqi ir mej amen anhrajets yev pitani "vitaminer" nor na karror e poxantsel iyn mez.

enpes vor yekek mi nor iygi tnkenq - lini ta NY lini da pariz lini da Yerevan kam Stepanakert - mi nor serund - ashxatenq mez vra - qani vor spyurq te Hayreniq miyevnun e Hye enq / yete menq inqners chpoxenq mez - karevor che te inch xndzor - meke tarberutyun chi talu tekuz yev tsar@ armatnerov el utes.

 

harts@ iys e - patrast e ardyoq mer azg@ popoxvelu / patrast e targelu ir varemi sovorutyuner@ kasharelu yev Takits gortsarqner anelu ? patrast e ardyoq iyn Anhat@ vor araj tani iys azg@ - ??? - yete der voch uremn petqe ashatanenq per vra - yev iyd janaparhin mez shat en petq galu Mj yve SAS - Vahan yev Fedi - Harout yev iharke Nairi ~~~ petqe hashvi arnel bolori kartsiqner@ ~~~~~

 

te sxal em aseq ~ te shat em sxalvum aveli shut aseq kam yes tsndel em - kam el es monitori radiatsyan arden urreris vra azduma sarsapeli yev tsnorqner em durs talis.

 

MOvses

[Sasun]

I strongly believe there cannot be any serious democracy in Armenia unless poverty is significantly reduced. Go to Armenia, try any typically poor fellow: hold in one hand 35 bucks, and in the other hand democracy. They will choose 35 bucks. Therefore, we don't have democracy. It is that simple.

The first step in building democracy is to fill the stomachs of poor people who unfortunately make up a large part of Armenia today. Here I have to agree with Sen_Vahan that a middle class is necessary. What we have today as is well known is a vast number of people living in poverty, a tiny middle class, and a bunch of "pigs" on top who are in charge of building democracy. Pigs will never voluntarily build democracy, but they can feed the stomachs of the poor as part of themselves getting richer.

This is a bit simplistic description but essentially the path of every developing country today.

[MJ]

Ayo, Movses, shat skhal es. Du kartsum es te mi anhat e galu u hrtsere lutselu e. Aidpisi anhat chka. Mer aisorva dzhbkhtutiunneri mi mets batjare hents na e vor kartsum en te anhatneri harts e sa. Oriank, Hayastani bolor kaghakakan kazmakerputiunnere mi kani anhatneri shurjn ein kazmakerpvats ev derevs aidpes el ka. Dra hamar el system chi steghtsvum. Ev erb vor anhatn el "anpokharineli" e darnum,aid anhatin tkhkatsnum en ev "hartsere lutsum."

 

Mius hartse vor du skhalvum es, da "zhogovurde pokhelu" hartsn e. Menk shat lav zhoghovurd unenk. Parzapes 2000-5000 takankner brnazavtel en aid zhoghovurdi huise apagaii nkatmamb. Aid zhoghovurde durs e ekel vitjake pokhelu, baits ain angraget u hantsagorts takanknere voronk dartsel en ais iskhanutian (ev masamb nakhord ishkhanutian) miak henarane da tuil tal chen uzum.

 

Isk inch verabervum e ko aracharkats "miasin khndirnere lutselun." apa da amenaankap aracharkutiunn e. Inchpes es du patkeratsnum miasin khndir lutsele erb probleme hents ko aracharkats "lutsoghneri" mi masn e?

 

Yes kez karogh em vstahetsnel vor mer amenavtangavor ev kortsnarar tshnaminere mer harevannere chen. Tshnaminerin do petk e mer mech pntres.

[Sasun]

MosJan, hamamit em vor zhoghovurdy shat kariq uni poxvelu. Yete aidpes liner menq petq e vor shat kartsh zhamanakum votqi kangneinq. Sakain da shat-shat dzhvar e, vorovhetev da knshanaker vor bolory petq e irents kianqi dzevy poxein ainpes vor voch mi angam chen aprel. Ain depqum vor chen el patkeratsnum vor da inchi hamar e u lav e.

 

Verjers mi haghordum tsuits tvetsin BBC-ov Afrikian mi yerkri masin vortegh SPID-i hamatsharaky shat arag temperov spanum e zhoghovrdin. Patshary ais yerkri adatnern en u angragitutiuny. Shat hasarak ban vor ais hivandutiuny taratsvum e sex-i mijotsov kareli a batsatrel amen mtavor unakutiun unetsogh mardu. Baits ais mardik chen uzum irents adatnery u bun drats hin aprelakelpy poxel u sharunakum en arag mernel.

 

Inch verabervum e Haiastanum demokratiain, mardu iravunqnerin yev aroghj u azat hasarakarg steghtselun apa da aveli u aveli dzhvar e batsatrel qani vor da hynchum e vorpes abstrakt haskatsutiun arants konkret orinakneri Haiastani patmutiunits kam avanduitnerits. Manavand vor shaterin da chi hetaqrqrum arhasarak. Iharke vor hartsnes bolorn el kasen vor ardarutiun en uzum, baits irenq isk hamadzain chen ardar linelu chnaiats urishnerits pahanjum en.

 

Migutse yete zargatsats yerkrnerits spiurqahaiery gnan u orinak tsaraien mi ban khajoghvi hamematabar kartsh zhamanakum. Thisht e nranq surb chen baits konkret tntesapes bargavatshel en azniv yev orinakan gortsuneutiamb u gone karogh en aidqany tsuits tal irents pordzits.

 

Isk amenalavy klinery yete prkich haitver u tsaraier zhoghovrdin hamozich u inqnazoh dzevov u bolory nra hetevits sharzhvein

[sen_Vahan]

M

"Yerazanq e sa yev I-tsavoq srty chi patahelu mot apaayum, popoxutyuner en petq yev mets popoxutyuner, miyayn przident kam varchapet poxelov chi lutsvelu iys hartser@ - chi veranalu Maxnoneri yev Ataman-burnashneri gortsuneyutyun@ Hayastanum.

sakayn hnaravor e - arachin@ jorovurd@ inq@ pete patrast lini popoxutyan - petqe sksel jorovrdits. yete jorovurd@ chhaskana te i nchne anum sxal vochinch el chi poxvi.

 

petq e shat baner poxel / mtatselakerp / sovorutyuner. sakayn arachin@ petqe lutsum gtnel - te Darman chunes verqit dnelu - toromats hin Yezan lezun aveli husali e, tekuz yev dandar sakayn k@buji poqer verq@, yev huys dnel vor xndzori kerev@ karror e aveli lav bujel qani vor xndzor@ "tsarits" heru chi @enknum urraki tsnorq, qano vro tsar@ iylevs chka, "yeranakn" el shat shut e popxvum, "katsini" mek harvatsov voch miyayn korqi tsarer@ k@nknen - migutse nayev amborj iygin, enpes vor xndzori vra huys dnel@ der jisjt che, na der kanach e petqe hasunana, havaqi ir mej amen anhrajets yev pitani "vitaminer" nor na karror e poxantsel iyn mez.

enpes vor yekek mi nor iygi tnkenq - lini ta NY lini da pariz lini da Yerevan kam Stepanakert - mi nor serund - ashxatenq mez vra - qani vor spyurq te Hayreniq miyevnun e Hye enq / yete menq inqners chpoxenq mez - karevor che te inch xndzor - meke tarberutyun chi talu tekuz yev tsar@ armatnerov el utes.

 

harts@ iys e - patrast e ardyoq mer azg@ popoxvelu / patrast e targelu ir varemi sovorutyuner@ kasharelu yev Takits gortsarqner anelu ? patrast e ardyoq iyn Anhat@ vor araj tani iys azg@ - ??? - yete der voch uremn petqe ashatanenq per vra - yev iyd janaparhin mez shat en petq galu Mj yve SAS - Vahan yev Fedi - Harout yev iharke Nairi ~~~ petqe hashvi arnel bolori kartsiqner@ ~~~~~

 

te sxal em aseq ~ te shat em sxalvum aveli shut aseq kam yes tsndel em - kam el es monitori radiatsyan arden urreris vra azduma sarsapeli yev tsnorqner em durs talis.

[sen_Vahan]

Sorry for the previous post, my comp was playing a game with me

 

Mosjan,

 

Mez mets popoxutyunner petk chen, du mi hamematir ko himikva aprelu teg@ Hayastani het, tarber baner en: Hayastanum konkret popoxutyunner en tegi unenum amen tari, gyugatntesutyun@ zarganum e kamaz-kamaz (voch bolor regionnerum zavok srti) aveli u aveli nermutsumner kan, mets capital e erkir galis tarber anhatneri kogmiz - Rusastani ev ayl erkrneri hay mezaharustneriz, hima hin Soveti gamanakva gortsaranner@, vor Levoni orok kandvel ein, bazvum en noriz, mardik sksum en ashxatel! Ch kareli teragnahatel mer erkir@, popoxutyunner kan depi lav@, mardik hima el arargva pes chen lkum erkir@, @ndhakarak@, ov urish tegerum arndznapes chi karoganum harstanal gnum e het Hayastan: Nor tsragrer kan usanogneri hamar Evropa, US gnalu sovorelu hamar, gahelutyun@ kich-kich ashxuganum e: Iharke, hamematel Californiai het voch mi ban chi kareli, bayz mardik aprum en, ashxatum en, erexa en unenum,ev ayls: Vonz vor menk enk amen or aravot shut ver kenum u gnum ashxatanki aysteg, nuynpes hazaravor mardik Hayastanum en anum - shut ver en kenum ev shat ashxatum u mezniz el kich pog en stanum, bayz mnum en, durs chen galis erkriz: Ay , te ov e erkir@ poxum u lavaznum, bayz voch menk aystegiz: Isk shat spyurkahayer, ibr uzenalov popoxel erkir@, miayn problem en stegzum: Petk e gnal Hayastan, ete voch aprelu, gone gamanakavor, mi amsov, erku amsov,etc: Ete spyrkiz shat mardik an@ndhat gnan Hayastan, tegum vichak@ aveli klavana, kani vor tegaziner@ ushadrutyun en darznum ayl erkrneriz ekaz zargazaz hayerin: Vonz kareli e mi harvatsov ktruk popoxutyunner uzenal erkrum, da miayn kvatazni vichak@: Menk tenz arag zargazog chenk, petk e kamaz shargvel - tishe edesh', dal'she budesh'!

[joseph parikian]

Originally posted by SAS:

Indz mot steghtsvec ayn tpavorutyun@ te aystegh havaqvel en neo-bolshevikner......

SAS another member came to the same conclusion but put it in english a while ago i dont see him posting in the forum anymore , any one knows out of coriosity what happen to him?

[Azat]

Can I beg you guys to post in English. It is so hard to read Armenian with latin letters.

 

I rather have text that is in bad English with misspelled words.

 

Thanks

 

[ March 21, 2003, 10:23 PM: Message edited by: Azat ]

[MosJan]

martin Hamamit chem qez het - inchqan kuzes tan@t taniq@ lav sarqi - meke yete himq@ xalxuld e - iyd tun@ mi or glxit e qandvelu !!!

 

Anhatner - Mj isk im asats@ incha ??? kes jama Tandz u xndzor em xosum -

[MosJan]

CHE QEZI HAKARAK MENAK HAYEREN EM XOSALU

[MosJan]

INCHPES TE CHKAN ?? uremn yerb vostikan @ qez kangnatsnum yev *$ e vertnum da ok e ??

te zavak@t tsarayum e isk dzer Xujuji tran voch vortev ira papan Xujujn e da ok e ??? ehhhh Vahan jan ka yev petqe lini yete uzum eq vro araj gnanq /

 

progres@ yes tesnum em - tesnum em vor araj e gnum chnayats vro dandar yev METS ARJEQNEROV - progresi hamar vjarum enq shat tank - talis ardyunaberutyan mets himnarkner - yerevi te da iydpes petqe lini - urraki yes chem haskanum - sakayn tenum em vor araj e gnum. dra hamar el asum em hin torromats yonjan tor mna gone sa dandar bujum e.

 

Vahan yete mitq@t jisht haskatsa - uremn ov vor aprum e Hayaastanum - asxhatum - yerexa unenum - goyatevum na e ir yev iyd yerkri jakatagri ter@??? iyd depkum inchu enq xosum @edhanrapes ?? yev mer spyurqi Hayer@ ardarev iravunq chunen ?? tekuz yev mtatselu popoxutyan masin - de yete iydpes e - el inchu enq xosum -

inchpes urrin yev bardin - amen mard iren baxten - ardaratsy em te voch ??? sa shat sxal motetsum e- yete mi bani hasnelu enq iyster kam iynter - petqe poxenq mer mtatselakerp@ - yev yes sa qez chem asum vorpes USA qaraqatsy - qez asum em apaga Hayastani bnakchi kargavijakov.

 

isk mek harvatsov vochinch el chi statsvi sa jamanaki karot harts e - yev yete uzum enq vro mi bani hasnanq petqe mer mej mer problmeneri lutsum@ gtnenq...

 

[ March 21, 2003, 11:49 PM: Message edited by: MosJan ]