The Myth Of The U.s.a.

[Shahan Araradian]

So.... You have been fooled by American media into thinking the U.S.A. is a democracy? (or ANY country for that matter?)

 

You live in Iran, Syria, Egypt, or Armenia and are dying to come to the U.S. because your sister or cousin are sending you their smiling pictures with their kids in Disneyland, Chuck E Cheese, or next to their pool of the $800K home bought on a 30-year indentured servitude.

 

Consider this documentary before making your choice...

http://www.theamericanrulingclass.org/inde...on=4&page=0

 

It is a big game. A game to create discord in your country, to get you to come to the U.S., to increase the human capital (labor pool of the U.S.), to turn you into debt/wage slaves, and to turn your countries into their debt slaves. Of course, if you do come to the U.S. you do have the "opportunity" to join "them" -- the American (and global) ruling elite... But few actually do. The rest end up as the non-elite.

 

Download the whole thing (to "preview") from here:

http://torrentspy.com/torrent/880854/The_A..._DVDRip_XviD_XV

 

(You'll need a bittorrent client such as Azureus to download, a compression tool such as 7-zip to extract, and a media player with the Xvid codec -- such as VLC player -- to view.)

Edited August 5, 2007 by Shahan Araradian

[Shahan Araradian]

Indeed, joining the ruling elite is definitely possible...

 

You'll find Vartan Gregorian (President, Carnegie Corporation) at 56:15 in the movie.

[Shahan Araradian]

Interesting biography of Vartan Gregorian (from Wikipedia)...

 

Gregorian attended elementary school in Iran. In his autobiography, in discussing the events that led to his secondary education, Gregorian refers to several "strangers" who allowed this transition in his life to take place (and eventually move him to the United States). First, in 1948, Edgar Maloyan, the Gaullist French vice-consul in Tabriz at the time, suggested to Gregorian that he ought to go to Beirut, Lebanon to continue his education and provided him with three letters of introduction:[3] one to the head of the Lebanese Internal Security Agency, one to the Collège Arménien, and one to a hotel where he could stay.[4] Gregorian also procured the assistance of another stranger in Tabriz to obtain his passport to get to Lebanon:

“ What also enabled me to do that was that a second stranger, an optometrist in Tabriz, gave me his property deed. That allowed me to obtain a passport because my father had told me if I could get a passport on my own, he would let me go, assuming that no fourteen-year-old kid could get a passport. This optometrist had taken me under his wing.[3] ”

 

The head of the Armenian Relief Society of Lebanon—also a stranger to him—arranged to provide Gregorian with meals for a monthly cost of $6.15 as well as lodging. He learned French and completed his secondary education at the Collège Arménien in Beirut. Simon Vratsian, former prime minister of the pre-Soviet Democratic Republic of Armenia and then director of the college, advised Gregorian to attend a university in the United States in the vicinity of a large Armenian population. In 1956, he applied to only two universities—the University of California, Berkeley and Stanford University—and was admitted by each. Stanford's acceptance arrived by airmail months before Berkeley's did by surface mail, at which point Gregorian had already enrolled at Stanford.[5]

While a student at Stanford, he again received provisions from Armenians who were strangers to him. He explains how this consistent benevolence reaffirmed his faith in the Armenian community in the diaspora and diaspora communities in general:

Edited August 5, 2007 by Shahan Araradian

[Anonymouse]

So.... You have been fooled by American media into thinking the U.S.A. is a democracy? (or ANY country for that matter?)

 

You live in Iran, Syria, Egypt, or Armenia and are dying to come to the U.S. because your sister or cousin are sending you their smiling pictures with their kids in Disneyland, Chuck E Cheese, or next to their pool of the $800K home bought on a 30-year indentured servitude.

 

Consider this documentary before making your choice...

http://www.theamericanrulingclass.org/inde...on=4&page=0

 

It is a big game. A game to create discord in your country, to get you to come to the U.S., to increase the human capital (labor pool of the U.S.), to turn you into debt/wage slaves, and to turn your countries into their debt slaves. Of course, if you do come to the U.S. you do have the "opportunity" to join "them" -- the American (and global) ruling elite... But few actually do. The rest end up as the non-elite.

 

Download the whole thing (to "preview") from here:

http://torrentspy.com/torrent/880854/The_A..._DVDRip_XviD_XV

 

(You'll need a bittorrent client such as Azureus to download, a compression tool such as 7-zip to extract, and a media player with the Xvid codec -- such as VLC player -- to view.)

 

Listen, sir, I know that when you discover the powerful tool that is the internet, you are suddenly exposed to a whole new plethora of information and "stuff" and you might be tempted to believe that you have the answers to everything as long as you pay your ISP monthly, but be weary of traversing down that road to ruin. It's a deceptive path.

 

This deception is indicative in your post regarding America being a "democracy". You are pointing this little factoid out to potential readers as if this is any secret. Of course there is no such thing as a democracy here. Why would there be? Others argue there is. Why wouldn't there be? The point is, this country was never designed to be a "democracy" and you will never find such a word in any of the founding documents, whether the Articles of Confederation, the Constitution, or the Declaration of Independence, or the Federalist papers. Eat yer heart out, son, for the framers despised the idea of democracy and instead erected what is believed to have been a "representative republic". Right now, what you have is more like a mega-corporate-empire.

 

And by the way, no one is a debt/wage slave. People choose to work voluntarily and the only debt one accumulates is a result of ones actions and lifestyles. Get over it.

Edited August 8, 2007 by Anonymouse

[Shahan Araradian]

And by the way, no one is a debt/wage slave.

The average credit card debt in the U.S. is $9,000. And 70% of Americans live pay-check to pay-check. Slavery still exists; the only difference is that now instead of buying a human outright, humans are rented to do work.

 

And this new form of "renting" humans makes sense for employers, because if they bought you and later they needed another skill, you would have to be either re-trained (which would cost money to them) or you'd have to be sold (they'd lose money in the transaction). Also, it might be a problem if you under-performed.

 

Therefore, by renting humans, employers are able to get the best-trained human for the job they need done with no strings attached - they can fire you any time they want, especially with "at-will employment" that some employers make you sign.

 

People choose to work voluntarily and the only debt one accumulates is a result of ones actions and lifestyles. Get over it.

Most people can't live if they don't work for somebody. Members of the ruling elite (and their children) don't have to work by force at any time in their life, barring any calamity (such as massive depreciation of the dollar or capital they own).

 

Since most Americans live paycheck-to-paycheck, this implies that many take on debts as their liabilities increase -- children, home mortgage, etc.

 

Even "old" slavery continues to exist; they are the "illegal" workers from Latin America which our government allows to live and work in the United States but provides them with no rights -- the ruling elite know that without them, there would be no service industry in the U.S...

 

The only emancipation of humanity will come with the automation of all work via software (others call it "robots").

[kakachik77]

The average credit card debt in the U.S. is $9,000. And 70% of Americans live pay-check to pay-check. Slavery still exists; the only difference is that now instead of buying a human outright, humans are rented to do work.

 

And this new form of "renting" humans makes sense for employers, because if they bought you and later they needed another skill, you would have to be either re-trained (which would cost money to them) or you'd have to be sold (they'd lose money in the transaction). Also, it might be a problem if you under-performed.

 

Therefore, by renting humans, employers are able to get the best-trained human for the job they need done with no strings attached - they can fire you any time they want, especially with "at-will employment" that some employers make you sign.

Most people can't live if they don't work for somebody. Members of the ruling elite (and their children) don't have to work by force at any time in their life, barring any calamity (such as massive depreciation of the dollar or capital they own).

 

Since most Americans live paycheck-to-paycheck, this implies that many take on debts as their liabilities increase -- children, home mortgage, etc.

 

Even "old" slavery continues to exist; they are the "illegal" workers from Latin America which our government allows to live and work in the United States but provides them with no rights -- the ruling elite know that without them, there would be no service industry in the U.S...

 

The only emancipation of humanity will come with the automation of all work via software (others call it "robots").

 

Shahan, and most other countries there are NO PAYCHECKS to live from, I think this is the fundamental difference

[Shahan Araradian]

Shahan, and most other countries there are NO PAYCHECKS to live from, I think this is the fundamental difference

See, that is PRECISELY the big myth that the ruling elite want to transform into a self-fulfilling prophecy.

 

Until the masses are transformed from passive consumers of disinformation propagated by the ruling elite into a THINKING public, there can be no revolution to transform the world order.

 

Is it surprising that the queen bee dumbs down her workers?

 

It is the same tactic used by the power elite over the masses... As long as the masses are fed disinformation (in favor of the ruling elite), they will make all the wrong decisions.

 

Control the information people receive and you control their behavior. You have just created the masses...

Edited August 8, 2007 by Shahan Araradian

[gamavor]

Give them freedom and enslave them! This is another layer of control, but it boils down to self-discipline not to fell victim of actual or perceived freedoms. For example, individual consumption of marihuana is legal. What is illegal is selling and buying marihuana. Now tell me, where and how you gonna get "stuff" if you are addict without breaking the law?

Another example:

Statutory rape! Hardly 0.5% of teenage girls in America are virgin by the age of 17. Were they lost their virginity in a miraculous immaculate way or somebody "break" the law?

 

The sweet part is that somebody is making money out of these freedoms.

 

[Anonymouse]

The average credit card debt in the U.S. is $9,000. And 70% of Americans live pay-check to pay-check. Slavery still exists; the only difference is that now instead of buying a human outright, humans are rented to do work.

 

So you make one claim and you jump to a conclusion based on that one claim? Have you ever heard of the fallacy of non sequitur? You state proposition A: "The average credit card debt in the U.S. is $9,000." Then you make proposition B: "And 70% of Americans live pay-check to pay-check." And from these two things you conclude C: "Slavery still exists".

 

Do you seriously want me to point out what's wrong with the picture here?

[Shahan Araradian]

So you make one claim and you jump to a conclusion based on that one claim? Have you ever heard of the fallacy of non sequitur? You state proposition A: "The average credit card debt in the U.S. is $9,000." Then you make proposition B: "And 70% of Americans live pay-check to pay-check." And from these two things you conclude C: "Slavery still exists".

 

Do you seriously want me to point out what's wrong with the picture here?

My backing up my claim that "Slavery still exists" isn't the previous two sentences (those simply show the RESULTS of the system: wage slavery). The back up of the claim is what follows the semicolon "the only difference is that now instead of buying a human outright, humans are rented to do work."

 

Each human has an associated human capital. For example, to determine a person's human capital, if that person nets $5OK per year in wages, divide this number by the pur interest rate at the time (e.g. 5%) and you get $1,000,000. That is the human capital of the individual.

 

Today, instead of an employer paying market value for you ($1M) he rents you out. The only difference in previous times was that you'd be bought for $1M, the money would go to the slave trader, and you'd be given food, shelter, etc by your master.

 

Compare this to today: the average American is rented out and the average American lives paycheck to paycheck barely covering his needs, indeed most take on huge debts (the largest being a home loan, locking them into 30 years of indentured servitude).

 

Such is the reality of the U.S. The American schooling system won't put it this way, because the purpose of the American schooling system is to train highly-specialized people to become employees in corporations. (some elite become CEOs, and their lieutenants become middle-managers; but the big boys are the capitalists -- bankers, hedge fund managers, and venture capitalists)

[Harut]

My backing up my claim that "Slavery still exists" isn't the previous two sentences (those simply show the RESULTS of the system: wage slavery). The back up of the claim is what follows the semicolon "the only difference is that now instead of buying a human outright, humans are rented to do work."

 

Each human has an associated human capital. For example, to determine a person's human capital, if that person nets $5OK per year in wages, divide this number by the pur interest rate at the time (e.g. 5%) and you get $1,000,000. That is the human capital of the individual.

 

Today, instead of an employer paying market value for you ($1M) he rents you out. The only difference in previous times was that you'd be bought for $1M, the money would go to the slave trader, and you'd be given food, shelter, etc by your master.

 

Compare this to today: the average American is rented out and the average American lives paycheck to paycheck barely covering his needs, indeed most take on huge debts (the largest being a home loan, locking them into 30 years of indentured servitude).

 

Such is the reality of the U.S. The American schooling system won't put it this way, because the purpose of the American schooling system is to train highly-specialized people to become employees in corporations. (some elite become CEOs, and their lieutenants become middle-managers; but the big boys are the capitalists -- bankers, hedge fund managers, and venture capitalists)

 

so what?

[Shahan Araradian]

so what?

emancipation of humanity is still pending.

 

the keys to emancipation are held by:

I. knowledge of the system by the masses (how the power elite are exploiting them), and

II. the availability of the technological tools below (which will likely be created within the next 40 years):

 

Since all economic activity is to provide enjoyment income (pleasurable experiences in the human psyche) for individual humans, and enjoyment income comes from real income (food, shelter, clothing, etc.) if a machine owned by each individual human can provide all real income, this means that the corporation as it exists today would be superfluous.

 

The following technologies can make this happen:

1) Universal artificial intelligence:

software that's running inside robots that can do all human physical and mental labor

(the power elite is supporting the creation of this technology.)

 

2) Nanotechnology: desktop molecular manufacturing

- The printer was created in 1450; today you can print books at home one your desktop: all you supply is power, toner, and paper.

- Using molecular manufacturing, it will be possible to manufacturing ANY good on your desktop, provided power, carbon and other material.

- (the power elite is supporting the creation of this technology.)

 

3) Free energy:

- the Sun emits 1,000 Watts of energy per square meter. The average home consumes 1000 W of energy continuously. This means that @ 20% efficiency, 10 square meters of solar collectors can power a home night and day.

- (The power elite today is standing against the creation of free energy, since with its creation, the value of their assets will depreciate to nearly zero (since oil, gas, and all other fossil fuels will depreciate to zero value); in such a scenario, the largest corporations of the world by market capitalization -- Exxon Mobil, Gazprom, Royal Dutch Shell, etc -- will go bankrupt, not to mention the effects it would have on the rest of the market...)

 

the aftermath will be real freedom.

Edited August 9, 2007 by Shahan Araradian

[Shahan Araradian]

Give them freedom and enslave them! This is another layer of control, but it boils down to self-discipline not to fell victim of actual or perceived freedoms.

Yes. 1 Discipline and 2 knowledge of what is really going on...

 

The power elite are controlling FAR too many people and far too many livelihoods via the corporate media outlets, the source of disinformation and control of the stock market, real estate, consumer spending, consumer CULTURE, and ultimately interest rates.

[AK-47]

Give them freedom and enslave them! This is another layer of control, but it boils down to self-discipline not to fell victim of actual or perceived freedoms. For example, individual consumption of marihuana is legal. What is illegal is selling and buying marihuana. Now tell me, where and how you gonna get "stuff" if you are addict without breaking the law?

 

The sweet part is that somebody is making money out of these freedoms.

I find that one of the many ways the elite (the first superpower in the USA) controls the masses (the second [dormant] superpower in the USA) is through drugs. The CIA controls what goes in and what goes out from the US. Once in awhile, it makes "huge busts" or arrests the small dealers (who are similar to working bees working for the mother bee) as show for the public while huge quantities of drugs still make it to the USA, the same country that has the most advanced technology in the world. The blackmarket brings in wayyy too much profit that it would harm America if it were to be eliminated. So besides that, why does the CIA (or whatever other law enforcement people) bring in the "stuff"?

 

Huge numbers of people use drugs in the States and drugs make you "relax" and counter-productive. So the average American who works long hours per day and then comes home stressed to watch TV or to smoke up. Is there any time or will left to even think about all that Shahan has said or Bush's terrorism in the world? Or to do anything about it? It's just another method to control the masses. Once you control the majority, the little percentage left is easily contained and silenced.

[Shahan Araradian]

I find that one of the many ways the elite (the first superpower in the USA) controls the masses (the second [dormant] superpower in the USA) is through drugs. The CIA controls what goes in and what goes out from the US. Once in awhile, it makes "huge busts" or arrests the small dealers (who are similar to working bees working for the mother bee) as show for the public while huge quantities of drugs still make it to the USA, the same country that has the most advanced technology in the world. The blackmarket brings in wayyy too much profit that it would harm America if it were to be eliminated. So besides that, why does the CIA (or whatever other law enforcement people) bring in the "stuff"?

 

Huge numbers of people use drugs in the States and drugs make you "relax" and counter-productive. So the average American who works long hours per day and then comes home stressed to watch TV or to smoke up. Is there any time or will left to even think about all that Shahan has said or Bush's terrorism in the world? Or to do anything about it? It's just another method to control the masses. Once you control the majority, the little percentage left is easily contained and silenced.

And today's BIGGEST drugs, Klashin, is not physical drugs (like marijuana, cocaine, beer, vodka, and other alcohol) but TELEVISION. The massive DISINFORMATION campaign waged by the ruling elite. Their goals are the following:

 

1) Make the U.S. appear to be a wonderful place so that people all over the world want to flock to the U.S.; all other nations are ruled by tyrants they claim (indeed, the CIA tries to keep it that way -- e.g. the rise of Khomeini in Iran). This in turn has the following effects:

A. raises real estate values

B. provides fresh labor pool of often highly educated scientists and engineers which the U.S. does not and cannot produce organically; this raises the GNP and economy

 

2) Once in the U.S., make the masses work as slaves, but have some nice television programs for them to come home to. Make sure the masses are disconnected from each other even at the most fundamental level of society: the family unit. Make sure that both father and mother work. Provide programs for father and mother, and make sure they watch different programming. Indoctrinate women such that they despise men: this is known as feminism.

 

3) Once in the U.S., make sure the masses are reduced to debt slaves and don't know it and indeed LOVE it. Do this by convincing them that buying a home (using a 30 year loan) is a form of "investment" and also that it's a good idea to max out one's 401K and put the rest into the stock market, as this is also a good investment. Do this by turning them into consumers -- people who worship the material things they own -- and create a consumer culture -- one in which one person judges the other by Brand names such as Mercedes, BMW, Bentley, Prada, and Louis Vitton.

 

Make sure that the masses spend the money they don't have (by borrowing) to buy things that they don't need (extra $30K premium on a car to say BMW or Mercedes; that $400 Iphone to replace your perfectly functional camera phone whose camera you don't use) to impress people they don't know (other consumers in the consumer culture).

 

4) Once in the U.S., make sure the masses are terrorized everyday by watching the evening local and world news:

A. Local news should show all of the "violent" people around which they live: what shootings, bank robberies, child kidnappings, car chases, wife beatings, and accidents took place. Make sure they don't feel safe, and make sure they need "Big Brother" to protect them.

B. World news should paint a picture of discord throughout the world, and that tyrants rule the rest of the world, and that America is the only place to live well. America is the champion of human rights and freedom, and by living in America one is supporting "good" over all the "evil" in the world.

 

5) Once in the U.S., make sure the masses (especially their children) are re-educated such that they forget their own history (e.g. Armenian history). Give them a NEW history. Make American history their own. When someone asks them who his forefathers were, he should respond with George Washington and Abraham Lincoln (and not Մեծն Տիգրան, Vartan Mamigonian, Karekin Njteh, Siamanto, or General Antranig). Make sure to disconnect people from their real history, such that they cannot organize since they have no reason to...

 

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In such a system, television has the same effect as does narcotic drugs: it provides vivid images of an illusionary world. Television characters of which the masses take on and make their own...

 

And the beauty of all is that no one knows what Big Brother looks like; it's too complicated. It's not like in the Soviet Union wherein Big Brother was clearly the politburo of the soviet union. In this case, the masses don't know who the ruling elite are and what kind of lifestyles they live... Not even do most of the lieutenants of the ruling elite (the middle managers of corporate America) know.

 

While the masses toil during the day and are desensitized by television at night, the elite (and their children) sip their martini on their private beaches.

Edited August 10, 2007 by Shahan Araradian

[Anonymouse]

My backing up my claim that "Slavery still exists" isn't the previous two sentences (those simply show the RESULTS of the system: wage slavery). The back up of the claim is what follows the semicolon "the only difference is that now instead of buying a human outright, humans are rented to do work."

 

Each human has an associated human capital. For example, to determine a person's human capital, if that person nets $5OK per year in wages, divide this number by the pur interest rate at the time (e.g. 5%) and you get $1,000,000. That is the human capital of the individual.

 

Today, instead of an employer paying market value for you ($1M) he rents you out. The only difference in previous times was that you'd be bought for $1M, the money would go to the slave trader, and you'd be given food, shelter, etc by your master.

 

Compare this to today: the average American is rented out and the average American lives paycheck to paycheck barely covering his needs, indeed most take on huge debts (the largest being a home loan, locking them into 30 years of indentured servitude).

 

Such is the reality of the U.S. The American schooling system won't put it this way, because the purpose of the American schooling system is to train highly-specialized people to become employees in corporations. (some elite become CEOs, and their lieutenants become middle-managers; but the big boys are the capitalists -- bankers, hedge fund managers, and venture capitalists)

 

Okay, from what I gather in your assertions here, this is nothing more than a regurgitated version of Marxism, replete with its references of "well, they aren't paying people the actual value of what they are worth" and unsubstantiated assertions such as "humans are rented to work", as if you have proven it. People choose to engage in work voluntarily and agree to the wages earned. No one is forcing them to work. If people don't like it they can climb up the heads of corporate ladders and be the next financial advisers, CEOs, and CFOs, etc. I guess Kirk Kerkorian must have been one lousy slave to carve out his financial empire, the son of immigrants.

 

[Shahan Araradian]

unsubstantiated assertions such as "humans are rented to work", as if you have proven it.

Wages are nothing more than rent paid to a human for his labor; it is temporary use of his body -- either for physical or mental labor.

 

People choose to engage in work voluntarily

With the way the human social hierarchy has been set up, it's that most people have no other choice but to work for someone else.

 

and agree to the wages earned.

Wages are set by the MARKET value; the employee has no say in it. A person working at Walmart cannot ask for the pay of a doctor.

 

No one is forcing them to work.

If they can not survive without working for someone, then they work for someone. They cannot go plant some trees anywhere they want and live off of the land, since land is private property in this system.

 

If people don't like it they can climb up the heads of corporate ladders and be the next financial advisers, CEOs, and CFOs, etc. I guess Kirk Kerkorian must have been one lousy slave to carve out his financial empire, the son of immigrants.

Yes. There is the opportunity to become a member of the elite. But only a very small percentage actually become part of the elite.

Edited August 10, 2007 by Shahan Araradian

[Shahan Araradian]

On the topic of some of the big problems the United States has, I suggest everyone go and watch Sicko, the new Michael Moore movie. It is very good, I watched it and left the theatres in deep thought and appreciative of my country's system.

Hey AK!

 

I just finished taking your advice and watched Sicko... What an enlightening production on not only America's health care system, but the quality of life found elsewhere in the world.

 

Nearly all of the things that I was trying to explain above -- hardly only my ideas -- appear in the move. (For all of you who haven't seen it yet, you may download it here using Bittorrent, and Micheal Moore has stated publicly that he doesn't mind that you do...)

 

Some quotes from the movie to think about:

 

On debt:

"Democracy talks about choice and choice depends on the freedom to choose. And if you're shackled in debt, you don't have a freedom to choose."

 

Moore: "It seems that it benefits the system if the average working person is shackled and is in debt."

 

British Parliamentarian: "Yes, because people in debt become hopeless, and hopeless people don't vote. If the poor in Britain or the United States turned out and voted for people representing their interests, it would be a real democratic revolution."

 

"I think there are 2 ways in which people are controlled: first of all Frightened People, and secondly Demoralized People."

 

"An educated, healthy and confident nation is harder to govern."

 

"The top 1% of the world's population own 80 percent of the world's wealth. It's incredible that people put up with it. But they're poor, they're demoralized, they're frightened. And therefore they think, 'Perhaps the safest thing to do is to take orders and hope for the best."

 

"What employer wouldn't want an employee with thousands of dollars in debt? Because they won't cause any trouble..."

 

On Society:

 

"They live in a world of 'we' not 'me.'"

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What we find in other countries...

 

1) France, Canada, Britain, Cuba: free universal health care for all, no questions asked

 

2) France:

- minimum 5 weeks of paid vacation starting for both full-time and part-time employees by French law. Large corp's give 8-10 weeks starting vacation.

- 35 hour work week

 

3) France:

- Government nannies to help mothers with newborns

- $1 per hour day care

- Doctors that give house calls within 24 hours

 

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What a big SHAM the U.S. is! It's been created by the power elite and they principally use the mass media (which they completely own and control) to force-feed this dog's life upon the American masses. I feel sorry for the people who will live here all of their lives and work until 65... Now THAT's worse than a dog's life in Lebanon!

 

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AK, the sort of counterpart documentary to Sicko but on the U.S. media instead of health care might be "Manufacturing Consent."

 

I found The Corporation (a Canadian production) also definitely worth watching, given that the corporation is the dominant institution of our time...

 

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I looked into the laws for immigration to Canada; I should qualify in 1.5 years' time

Edited August 10, 2007 by Shahan Araradian

[Yervant1]

Hey Shahan look what I found for you. Do you like it?

 

http://video.sympatico.msn.com/v/en-ca/v.h...f=37&fg=rss

[Shahan Araradian]

Hey Shahan look what I found for you. Do you like it?

 

http://video.sympatico.msn.com/v/en-ca/v.h...f=37&fg=rss

Haha!!

 

Just another attempt to make socialism seem like a social experiment of just a handful of people... of old recycled goods and second-hand clothing; a bunch of young "hippies."

 

Gotta love AP -- where the world corporate media gets 50% of its news from... (including MSN) Would AP EVER speak against the establishment?

 

The elite aren't idiots.

 

Why doesn't AP talk about social health care, or social banking and financial services? And compare the average American (90% of us) to our counterparts in France, Canada, and Britain.

 

The answer: disinformation; act like other forms of living and government and economics don't exist.

 

Control the information people receive and you control their behavior.

[AK-47]

Hey AK!

 

I just finished taking your advice and watched Sicko... What an enlightening production on not only America's health care system, but the quality of life found elsewhere in the world.

 

Nearly all of the things that I was trying to explain above -- hardly only my ideas -- appear in the move. (For all of you who haven't seen it yet, you may download it here using Bittorrent, and Micheal Moore has stated publicly that he doesn't mind that you do...)

Thanks for the suggested documentaries Shahan and glad you liked Sicko. Գիտցայ պիտի սիրէիր: Thanks for the provided quotes too, those were among the many that really got me thinking.

 

To add: In Britain, they actually give you the amount of money you payed to get to the hospital and they also pay for your ride home. Moore's reaction is priceless LOL.

 

And a quote I found really funny (this one is not one to really think about): We commandeered a fishing boat and sailed to Cuba and there was one where Moore yells through the loudspeaker to Guantanamo guards something like this: We just want the same healthcare you give to the terrorists.

[Shahan Araradian]

And a quote I found really funny (this one is not one to really think about): We commandeered a fishing boat and sailed to Cuba and there was one where Moore yells through the loudspeaker to Guantanamo guards something like this: We just want the same healthcare you give to the terrorists.

LOL! Yeah! I found that to be one of the funniest parts of the film...

Edited August 11, 2007 by Shahan Araradian

[shiner]

Michael Moore is a total moron who never paints an accurate picture of anything. Too bad he does not mention the higher taxes you pay to get this "free" healthcare, and the long lines you have to wait in to get treated sometimes as your condition gets worse.

[AK-47]

Michael Moore is a total moron who never paints an accurate picture of anything. Too bad he does not mention the higher taxes you pay to get this "free" healthcare, and the long lines you have to wait in to get treated sometimes as your condition gets worse.

He mentions and deals with both in the documentary actually...lol.

[Sip]

Hey, I am all with Shahan here ... show me a country where I can maintain the same level of life style I have here, not be forced to earn wages (by renting/whoring myself out to employers), and not have any debt ...

 

I'll pack up move there tomorrow ... heck scratch that ... I'll move there today!