Twilight Bark Posted October 30, 2001 Report Share Posted October 30, 2001 Here is a partial translation of a Sumerian lullaby. Spot the word that is common with Armenian. Oo-a oo-aIn my ururu may he grow bigIn my ururu may he grow largeLike the irina may he grow stout of rootLike the shakir may he grow broad of crown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted October 30, 2001 Report Share Posted October 30, 2001 i think i got it.it's "oo-a, oo-a".am i right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight Bark Posted October 30, 2001 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2001 quote:Originally posted by Harut: i think i got it.it's "oo-a, oo-a".am i right? Try again. How about moving beyond the first line? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight Bark Posted November 1, 2001 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2001 Due to the underwhelming response, let me just give the answer.It is ururu <--> oror 5000 years ago, Sumerian mothers were using the same word for lullaby as Armenian mothers today. To my knowlegde, with the possible exception of Basque, there is no other language that has this word. After the "oror", the Sumerian mother would be woken up by the hungry cries of her baby and give "ga" to her baby. Sounds familiar? It just shows how ancient some of our cultural and ancestral roots are. Twilight Bark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThornyRose Posted November 1, 2001 Report Share Posted November 1, 2001 Could you please explain for non-Armenians what you are trying to say? The words, I mean - ga and oror and what not... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight Bark Posted November 1, 2001 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2001 "Oror" in Armenian can mean both the rocking of the baby and the lullaby that goes along with it. "Gat" in Armenian and "Ga" in Sumerian mean "milk". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted November 2, 2001 Report Share Posted November 2, 2001 This is something new Nice to see a different topic Thank you -= Twilight Bark =- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight Bark Posted November 2, 2001 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2001 Thanks for your kind words, MosJan. With that encouragement, I will continue adding little droplets along this thread. Now the baby grew a little, and it is time to start eating his veggies. The mother insists that he eat his "lub". Which vegetable could that be? Twilight Bark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted November 2, 2001 Report Share Posted November 2, 2001 lobi??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight Bark Posted November 2, 2001 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2001 quote:Originally posted by Harut:lobi??? You got it! "Lobi" (in Eastern Armenian) or "lupia" (in Western Armenian).For non-Armenophones, that means "bean". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wh00t Posted November 2, 2001 Report Share Posted November 2, 2001 quote:Originally posted by Twilight Bark: You got it! "Lobi" (in Eastern Armenian) or "lupia" (in Western Armenian).For non-Armenophones, that means "bean".Lupia! Woohoo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight Bark Posted November 3, 2001 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2001 And now the Sumerian boy grew up a bit more, and wants to ride an "anshu". This one may require a bit more imagination/creativity, but the connection is there. Let's see if anyone will guess this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThornyRose Posted November 3, 2001 Report Share Posted November 3, 2001 One fast question - does "mashat" mean cemetery, grave-yard, etc., in Armenian? [ November 03, 2001: Message edited by: Thorny Rose ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted November 3, 2001 Report Share Posted November 3, 2001 this one is not clear enough. but i think it is "ndzuyg".correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wh00t Posted November 4, 2001 Report Share Posted November 4, 2001 Off-topic: Are Bolsetsis the only ones to use "chidem" as an alternative to "chem kider"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight Bark Posted November 5, 2001 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2001 anshu <--> esh The "n" in anshu is thought to be "soft", although nobody has heard a Sumerian speak.Same applies for "u" at the end (just like the "u" at the end of "ururu", or "Aramu" in the Assyrian archives referring to Aram.) It means donkey or ass. Yes, if you think "ass" sounds related to esh, you are right; it is an "indo-european" word. This is one example of an "important" indo-european word showing up in an unlikely place, much earlier than indo-europeans showed up in history. The significance for Armenians is that such words give more credibility to the theory that indo-european origins lie a lot more to the south than self-centered Europeans have thought. Anyway, having enjoyed his donkey rides, the boy now has reached the age when he has to go to "e-dub-a", where he will learn to write, and print "dub"s. The word "dub" is the one of interest, and produced (or contributed to) several loosely related words in Armenian. Again, when trying to link a language from 5000 years ago to the words used today one has to use some imagination (or trained ears, which come later). Now, can you find at least two Armenian words that come from "dub"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight Bark Posted November 6, 2001 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2001 quote:Originally posted by Harut:in Armenian it should be "dpir", meaning "gir".from the word "dpir": dprots, dprutyun, etc.Excellent, Harut. "Dub" in Sumerian means "tablet". The Armenian words for schooling, as well as printing sound very similar to this word. I wonder if there are any other languages that share this. The word "tablet" or "table" (as in a big, flat object) probably also comes from the Sumerian "dub" via "indo-european". Certainly casts doubt on the whole "indo-european homeland in the Russian steppes" theory of European linguists. I don't mean to say that Sumerians were indo-european, but it seems that they must have intermingled with the early indo-european speakers; and they did not trek to the untamed, chilly steppes to do that.Unfortunately for the Sumerian boy, he flunked out of school, and became a "gir". Well, his line of job was not exactly cerebrally intense. Can you guess what this "career" could be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted November 6, 2001 Report Share Posted November 6, 2001 in Armenian it should be "dpir", meaning "gir".from the word "dpir": dprots, dprutyun, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted November 6, 2001 Report Share Posted November 6, 2001 quote:Originally posted by Thorny Rose:One fast question - does "mashat" mean cemetery, grave-yard, etc., in Armenian?[ November 03, 2001: Message edited by: Thorny Rose ]"mashat"??? i don't recall anything like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted November 6, 2001 Report Share Posted November 6, 2001 quote:Originally posted by wh00t:Off-topic: Are Bolsetsis the only ones to use "chidem" as an alternative to "chem kider"?i'm sure it is use in many "barbar"s.for example in Gyumri.btw, in Eastern Armenian it would be "chgitem". take out "g" when speaking fast and you'll get "chidem". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted November 6, 2001 Report Share Posted November 6, 2001 quote:Originally posted by Twilight Bark:Unfortunately for the Sumerian boy, he flunked out of school, and became a "gir". Well, his line of job was not exactly cerebrally intense. Can you guess what this "career" could be?is it "gogh"??? pretty dangerous "career" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragon Posted November 7, 2001 Report Share Posted November 7, 2001 norits skhal es, balik, Himi ''gogh''erinn e hark ou badiv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted November 7, 2001 Report Share Posted November 7, 2001 es dragon@ sksela jisht jisht baner xosel Bravo dras Movses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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