Zartonk Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 Good point Nairi. The Western Media (BBC) has pretty much (exclusively) covered (promoted) the average angry citizens (hardline nationalists) of Turkey only. Where is the liberal minority when things hit fans? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aratta-Kingdom Posted October 12, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 (edited) I wonder where all those Turks who were shouting "We are all Armenians, we are all Hrant Dink" fled to. I missed them on April 24 as well. Did they know that Dink recognized the genocide? Don't count on turks. Most of the people who were shouting "We are Armenians, we are Hrant Dink" were the 'hidden armenians' of turkey. http://www.guardian.co.uk/turkey/story/0,,2189429,00.html Son of murdered Armenian journalist convicted C Onur Ant in Istanbul Friday October 12, 2007 The Guardian The son of the murdered ethnic Armenian journalist Hrant Dink and a journalist colleague were convicted yesterday of insulting Turkish identity for publishing remarks that had also landed Dink in court. Aram Dink, and Serkis Seropyan, both editors at the Turkish-Armenian daily Agos, were each given a one-year suspended sentence under Turkey's controversial law on insulting "Turkishness", their lawyer, Erdal Dogan, said. The case against Hrant Dink - for calling the killings of Armenians during the first world war a genocide - was dropped when he was shot dead in January, but the court continued with the prosecution of the other men under article 301 of Turkish law. Hrant Dink had been convicted and was appealing against the decision when he was killed by a Turkish youth. Mr Dogan said Aram Dink and Seropyan would appeal. Edited October 12, 2007 by Aratta-Kingdom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aratta-Kingdom Posted October 12, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 http://www.courant.com/news/opinion/editor...0,4522396.story Acknowledge The Genocide Imagine a president opposing a congressional resolution condemning the Holocaust. Imagine today's Germany denying there was a Holocaust and warning of retaliation if Congress approved a nonbinding statement denouncing Nazi atrocities against Jews in World War II. Such denial at the highest level of government would be unbelievable and grotesque. Yet it's happening today with the first genocide of the 20th century. The Bush administration has denounced a resolution approved Wednesday by the House Foreign Affairs Committee that calls the massacre of Armenians in Turkey during World War I "genocide." Turkey's government vehemently protests the claim that the Ottoman Empire adopted a policy of eradicating Christian Armenians beginning in 1915, before modern Turkey was born in 1923. Armenians constituted one of the largest minorities in the empire at the time. Even bringing up the subject is considered a crime in Turkey punishable by a long prison sentence. President Bush acknowledges the "immense suffering" of Armenians and supports "a full and fair accounting of the atrocities that befell as many as 1.5 million Armenians," but he opposes the House resolution. The president of the United States fears that passage of such a statement in Congress would damage relations with Turkey, whose government has threatened unspecified retaliation. So much for the self-described "Decider" sticking to high principle. Acknowledging genocide shouldn't be controversial, given the extensive State Department archives and voluminous news accounts during that dark period. President Theodore Roosevelt called the Armenian slaughter "the greatest crime of the war." President Ronald Reagan described the killings as "genocide." Twenty countries and organizations, including the European Parliament and the Elie Wiesel Foundation for Humanity, recognize the Armenian genocide. Modern Turkey's refusal to acknowledge the obvious reflects an insecurity that doesn't suit a nation that calls itself great. Why the Bush administration is being held hostage by the government in Ankara is worse than puzzling. It's immoral. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aratta-Kingdom Posted October 12, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 The Independent Robert Fisk: A reign of terror which history has chosen to neglect Published: 12 October 2007 The story of the last century's first Holocaust – Winston Churchill used this very word about the Armenian genocide years before the Nazi murder of six million Jews – is well known, despite the refusal of modern-day Turkey to acknowledge the facts. Nor are the parallels with Nazi Germany's persecution of the Jews idle ones. Turkey's reign of terror against the Armenian people was an attempt to destroy the Armenian race. While the Turks spoke publicly of the need to "resettle" their Armenian population – as the Germans were to speak later of the Jews of Europe – the true intentions of Enver *****'s Committee of Union and Progress in Constantinople were quite clear. On 15 September 1915, for example (and a carbon of this document exists), Talaat *****, the Turkish Interior minister, cabled an instruction to his prefect in Aleppo about what he should do with the tens of thousands of Armenians in his city. "You have already been informed that the government... has decided to destroy completely all the indicated persons living in Turkey... Their existence must be terminated, however tragic the measures taken may be, and no regard must be paid to either age or sex, or to any scruples of conscience." These words are almost identical to those used by Himmler to his SS killers in 1941. Taner Akcam, a prominent – and extremely brave – Turkish scholar who has visited the Yerevan museum, has used original Ottoman Turkish documents to authenticate the act of genocide. Now under fierce attack for doing so from his own government, he discovered in Turkish archives that individual Turkish officers often wrote "doubles" of their mass death-sentence orders, telegrams sent at precisely the same time that asked their subordinates to ensure there was sufficient protection and food for the Armenians during their "resettlement". This weirdly parallels the bureaucracy of Nazi Germany, where officials were dispatching hundreds of thousands of Jews to the gas chambers while assuring International Red Cross officials in Geneva that they were being well cared for and well fed. Ottoman Turkey's attempt to exterminate an entire Christian race in the Middle East – the Armenians, descended from the residents of ancient Urartu, became the first Christian nation when their king Drtad converted from paganism in AD301 – is a history of almost unrelieved horror at the hands of Turkish policemen and soldiers, and Kurdish tribesmen. In 1915, Turkey claimed that its Armenian population was supporting Turkey's Christian enemies in Britain, France and Russia. Several historians – including Churchill, who was responsible for the doomed venture at Gallipoli – have asked whether the Turkish victory there did not give them the excuse to turn against the Christian Armenians of Asia Minor, a people of mixed Persian, Roman and Byzantine blood, with what Churchill called "merciless fury". Armenian scholars have compiled a map of their people's persecution and deportation, a document that is as detailed as the maps of Europe that show the railway lines to Auschwitz and Treblinka; the Armenians of Erzerum, for example, were sent on their death march to Terjan and then to Erzinjan and on to Sivas province. The men would be executed by firing squad or hacked to death with axes outside villages, the women and children then driven on into the desert to die of thirst or disease or exhaustion or gang-rape. In one mass grave I myself discovered on a hillside at Hurgada in present-day Syria, there were thousands of skeletons, mostly of young people – their teeth were perfect. I even found a 100-year-old Armenian woman who had escaped the slaughter there and identified the hillside for me. There is debate in Yerevan today as to why the diaspora Armenians appear to care more about the genocide than the citizens of modern-day Armenia. Indeed, the Foreign minister of Armenia, Vardan Oskanian, actually told me that "days, weeks, even months go by" when he does not think of the genocide. One powerful argument put to me by an Armenian friend is that 70 years of Stalinism and official Soviet silence on the genocide deleted the historical memory in eastern Armenia – the present-day state of Armenia. Another argument suggests that the survivors of western Armenia – in what is now Turkey – lost their families and lands and still seek acknowledgement and maybe even restitution, while eastern Armenians did not lose their lands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AK-47 Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 (edited) Look what I found http://www.anca.org/press_releases/press_releases.php?prid=3 What an a-bush. Edited October 12, 2007 by AK-47 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 I,m going to Tsitsernakabert now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 Mayr@ taghem asonts. Yergu-yerek SS-20 yev togh ertan kankadvin Alah babin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aratta-Kingdom Posted October 12, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 poor president a-bush. he'll be left without turkey on thanksgiving day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 I,m going to Tsitsernakabert now 1000 yerani qo achqerin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVO Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 here he is 7 years later AK notice how in 2000 he never puts, as Arpa says the A word and the G word together. Its the same tactic all of the politician's use. Here is a more recent candidate, Senator Barrack Obama acknowledging the genocide, but then dodging the question if he supports the resolution 106 http://youtube.com/watch?v=apR_0df-p54 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 (edited) Look what I found http://www.anca.org/press_releases/press_releases.php?prid=3 What an a-bush.What we Armenians need without delay is go back to kindergarten an relearn our ABC-s, our AybBenGim-s all over again. Not to forget to learn reading and comprehension as well. Not only Edgar, Vasken and ANCA….. (fill in the blanks), but we all need to learn reading and writing. Below the text of that letter. Please read it again and tell us where GWB has promised the (capitalized) G word. He, or whoever wrote the letter takes extreme caution to use the word in its adjective form, not as a proper (capitalized) noun. He could have as well been speaking about the extermination of the wolf population as “genocidal campaign”. See the next highlighted passage. What is he NOT saying today that he had not said then? The same “reading and comprehension” applies how we could not read and comprehend the love letters written by the Holocaust committee to have us stupid Armenians to lobby for and contribute financially for the project with vague promises which immediately erased and we were booted out of the “museum” (Reminds one the story of Taj Mahal). It took us “morons” 20 years to finaly understand what was in those ”love letters”, and to this day we cannot comprehend how our Jewrkish lovers jilted and betrayed us so. Go back to kindergarten asap and learn how to read and write. Hindsight is always 20/20. How about present sight and foresight? George W. Bush for President February 19, 2000 Mr. Edgar Hagopian Mr. Vasken Setrakian Dear Edgar and Vasken, Thank you for your inquiry to my campaign regarding issues of concern to Armenian Americans. The twentieth century was marred by wars of unimaginable brutality, mass murder and genocide. History records that the Armenians were the first people of the last century to have endured these cruelties. The Armenians were subjected to a genocidal campaign that defies comprehension and commands all decent people to remember and acknowledge the facts and lessons of an awful crime in a century of bloody crimes against humanity. If elected President, I would ensure that our nation properly recognizes the tragic suffering of the Armenian people. The Armenian diaspora and the emergence of an independent Republic of Armenia stand as a testament to the resiliency of the Armenian people. In this new century, the United States must actively support the independence of all the nations of the Caucasus by promising the peaceful settlement of regional disputes and the economic development of the region. American assistance to Armenia to encourage the development of democracy, the rule of law and a tolerant open society is vital. It has my full support. I am encouraged by recent discussions between the governments of Armenia and Azerbaijan. The United States should work actively to promote peace in the region and should be willing to serve as a mediator. But ultimately peace must be negotiated and sustained by the parties involved. Lasting peace can come only from agreements they judge to be in their best interests. I appreciate the tremendous contribution of the Armenian community to the United States. The Armenian community has been and will continue to be a model of dedication to values of faith and family. Sincerely, [signed] George W. Bush Edited October 12, 2007 by Arpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 What we Armenians need without delay is go back to kindergarten an relearn our ABC-s, our AybBenGim-s all over again. Not to forget to learn reading and comprehension as well. Not only Edgar, Vasken and ANCA….. (fill in the blanks), but we Speaking of master bloopers... Charlie Brown, it is Armenian, stupid! http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brent-baker/2...d-ottoman-turks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z'areh Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 What is he [bush] NOT saying today that he had not said then? You are 100% right! We saw "genocide" in the word "genocidal" and accepted it foolishly. If that is not illiteracy I don't know what is! Where were our "political analysts" then? I think we were also blinded by the rage towards Clinton for stopping the floor vote in the Congress, but regardless, we fell in the trap by Bush. No matter how much fun we poke at Bush's ways in the English language, the joke was (and still is) on us. very good observation! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 (edited) You are 100% right! We saw "genocide" in the word "genocidal" and accepted it foolishly. If that is not illiteracy I don't know what is! Where were our "political analysts" then? I think we were also blinded by the rage towards Clinton for stopping the floor vote in the Congress, but regardless, we fell in the trap by Bush. No matter how much fun we poke at Bush's ways in the English language, the joke was (and still is) on us. very good observation! Anthe beat goes on!! Like that "tantamount" to recognition by Fuxman. Close! But no cigar??Definition of "tantamount"=equivalent in force, value and significance Once again; Close! But no cigar!! Where is the beef??? Or, shall we say "pork"? Those pornographic/porcine pigs. In some Armenian dialects "khzak"(khozik, little piggy) refers to turdish girls, just like "lakot" refers to their boys. Khnzr!! Khanzeer ibn khanzeer!! (Johannes knows what that means). And yet. After all thise someone above invokes" ala jew". Can we have even one day without invoking those khozi zavakner? Oink! Oink!! http://images.art.com/images/-/Looney-Tune...-C11754811.jpeg No wonder either of those, be they Ts or Js don't eat pork. Would it be 'TANTAMOUNT" to cannibalism? I have been "cochon" ing, cautioning us about those pigs for the past 20 years, to finally when we realized that their "oinks" are not "music to ours ears", and that super J Lantos who had been a main obstacle in our way finally saw the light when Ankara placed obstacles in Washington's way to Baghdad. What else? Yes! Yes! We know there may be a few "johnny come lately" repentents of his ilk whose agenda may not exactly be based on the welfare of Armenians. We also know that there may be one or two "decent" turks as well. Will he, once again reverse when Israel is attacked by Syria and Turkey comes to its rescue, incinerating Aleppo and Damascus to save TelAviv? Baghdad is as Moslem as Ankara. You don't think it was because of 1001 churches and synagogues in Ankara or Baghdad. It just came on CNN where Lantos is saying something to the effect - "Turkey is infinitely more dependant on America, rather than the visa versa" Edited October 12, 2007 by Arpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 http://www.comedycentral.com/shows/the_dai...how/index.jhtml click on "This Armenian Strife" on 10/11/2007 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVO Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 direct link http://www.comedycentral.com/motherload/in...ml_video=111484 also the second part http://www.comedycentral.com/motherload/in...ml_video=111538 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 On Thursday, the Turkish Consumers' Union called for a boycott of US-made products. I wish that turkey also boycott and stop sending their products to the US, while at it it wouldn't be a bad idea if they included Canada in this since Canada's pairliament recognized the Genocide. What the hack let them also include all the countries who accepted the AG. Stupid fools!!!!!!!!!! PROTESTS IN TURKEY OVER HOUSE OF REPS RESOLUTION NTV MSNBC, Turkey Oct 11 2007 President Gul said that the decision was unacceptable to the Turkish people. ISTANBUL - Reaction in Turkey to the decision of the US House of Representatives Committee on Foreign Relations to approve a resolution accepting allegations that the Ottoman Empire committed an act of genocide against its Armenian citizens is growing. On Thursday, the Turkish Consumers' Union called for a boycott of US-made products. Speaking on behalf of the group, the Union's chairman Bulent Deniz said, "we decided not to use U.S.-made products to protest the approval of the resolution by the House of Representatives Committee". Also on Thursday, members of the left wing Workers' Party laid a black wreath in front of the US Embassy building in Ankara and draw a crescent-and-star on its wall to protest the approval of the resolution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Error 404 Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 (edited) BBC is such a BS and brainwash. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/talking_point/7040229.stm P.S. the last comment supposedly from an Armenian from Yerevan. I can't believe how far bbc can go in it's dirty propaganda and misinformation. Edited October 12, 2007 by Error 404 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVO Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 (edited) I smell a turk from the last one. Notice how they quoted him Edited October 12, 2007 by Avo47 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dianjan Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 BBC is such a BS and brainwash. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/talking_point/7040229.stm P.S. the last comment supposedly from an Armenian from Yerevan. I can't believe how far bbc can go in it's dirty propaganda and misinformation. Yeah, I've read it, and didn't believe for a second that it came from an Armenian person Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 (edited) BBC is such a BS and brainwash. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/talking_point/7040229.stm P.S. the last comment supposedly from an Armenian from Yerevan. I can't believe how far bbc can go in it's dirty propaganda and misinformation. Where did they get those people from, and why does Artur not have a last name like the others? Can someone be bothered to send a reply to this pretending to be a Turk and saying something along the lines of: "I am deeply ashamed of my government's denial of one of the worst crimes against humanity in history. My great-grandfather was a soldier in the Turkish army during WWI, and I have grown up with horror stories since I was a young child. On his deathbed, my great-grandfather pleaded guilty and cried to his death for the terrible crimes that he committed against the peaceful Armenian population. He also explained that he was ordered from above to execute young Armenian men and rape young Armenian girls. In honor of my great-grandfather's honesty, I ask of the Turkish government to stand up to its crime of denial of genocide, which in itself is a crime against humanity equal to genocide, and its legacy to destroy anything Armenian on Turkish soil." Though I bet the punks at BBC would never publish it, even if it came from an actual Turk.. Edited October 13, 2007 by nairi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonymouse Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 So what is the point of this genocide bill? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVO Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 so the president of US will call the genocide a genocide and not a tragedy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z'areh Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 Gunduz Aktan quoted in today's Eurasia.net article about the Armenian resolution: " "What was bothering me yesterday was that those [uS representatives] who were supporting the Turkish case, 21 of them, they said loud and clear that the events of 1915 amounted to genocide," Aktan said. "Despite this fact, because of the strategic importance of Turkey, because of the national interest of the US, they are voting no. This was unbearable." Z: This is a powerful message that says to the Turkish leadership that they are on borrowed time, that one day the interests will change and the full weight of our martyrs will come crushing down on them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aratta-Kingdom Posted October 13, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 So what is the point of this genocide bill? To piss off the turks and leave president a-bush without turkey on thanksgiving day. Isn't that enough? All the jokes aside... 1. Genocide is a crime against mankind. A bill like this will force all the other bloody bastards to think twice before committing similar crimes. 2. A bill like this will make the filthy revisionists to think twise before insulting the memory of the genocide victims. 3. A bill like this will create legal grounds for the genocide survivors and their children to seek justice. 4. A bill like this will put an to cultural genocide. 5. A bill like this will force the turks to face the truth and be less aggressive with the armenians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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