Ariane Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 Chere Ariane, Nous vous aimons! Peut etre j’ai oubliet mon grammaire. Laissez moi etre le cochon ici. If we, the so called western Armenians would stop being so pig-headed we would see that the Armenian word for “door/porte” is not “toor” but “dour”. If we were only be so less pig-headed we would see that the Armenian Ayb Ben Gim Da is in line with the Greek/Latin, French…. ABCD, not A P K T. Where “door” will be “dour” not “toor”. An aside “toor” in Armenian means chisel., “zumba” in Turkish, the reason why Petros (not Bedros)Tourian changed his surname from “Zumbaji-ian”. As to sugar/sucre/zuccara/zuchero,zucker/shaqar you’re right. It all comes from the Arabic “sukkar” which was passed to Europe during the Crusades. No. No. Wait! Did I say from the Arabic? Yes I did. Since the Europeans first saw it during the Crusades. Even if we give a pig's arse, as long as the "buck" (shaqar) stops in Armenia. Yet it goes much further east than, Arabic, Persian, Sanskrit, or even Indian. It goes to what today is known as IndoChina, Bengal to be exact. Are you ready? Bangladesh, who called it “sakkar/shakhar” to mean “granule” as in granules of sand. As Jackie Gleason would say; “How sweet it is”!!! Wow Arpa, tu m'épates avec ton français !!!!!! TOOR, DOOR, MOOR, amena miernuneh, the difference is in the accent, in the prononciation. You know i'm from Marseille I've marsilian accent when I speak with parisians the words seems a bit different even if we speak the same langage, cause we don't have the same accent. Have you ever spoken english with a scottish ? they speak the same langage but for an example for to say " Scottish " the scott one won't pronounce the " tt ", they say " SCO'ISH", same for us I think BTW. The Armenian word for “sweet” is “Qaghtsr” not “anush”. That is another story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmd Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 ** Hey guys! Am I going over your heads with all these English/American/French/Arabic/Turkish and Armenian idioms/sayings? Yes. I keep reading it though in the hope that some of it will sink in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 (edited) Yes. I keep reading it though in the hope that some of it will sink in. Non. Non. Ma cher Ariane. Vous ne me comprend pas. It is not how some people speak but how they write. If I were to understand the slang spoken in some of my not so anglo neighborhoods, I might as well be Zimbabwe. Yet, even they when say/write “Zimbabwe” they “Zimbabwe”, not “Zimpapveh”, where the B//Ben, as in Ayb Ben is a B and the PE as in Cha PE Je is P. Em eye meyqink cence? Hi MosJan :) Or just layk apov. Em eye kowink epov ur heds? Edited February 22, 2007 by Arpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ariane Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 Non. Non. Ma cher Ariane. Vous ne me comprend pas. It is not how some people speak but how they write. If I were to understand the slang spoken in some of my not so anglo neighborhoods, I might as well be Zimbabwe. Yet, even they when say/write “Zimbabwe” they “Zimbabwe”, not “Zimpapveh”, where the B//Ben, as in Ayb Ben is a B and the PE as in Cha PE Je is P. Em eye meyqink cence? Hi MosJan :) Or just layk apov. Em eye kowink epov ur heds? yes ArBa !!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armenak Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 (edited) It's Arpa, as in Arpa-chay. Maybe we should rename him Akhurian. Edited February 22, 2007 by Armenak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 (edited) yes ArBa !!!!! TOUCHE!!! Mon ami Dartgnan! Or is it m"Amie Dartagnane? OUCH! It hurts. Yes, Ariane, you touched a sensitive chord. Before I proceed further, please, do tell us if you can see and read Unicode/Armenian fonts. Lest, once again I go "over the heads" of some of our readers. Edited February 22, 2007 by Arpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 (edited) It's Arpa, as in Arpa-chay. Maybe we should rename him Akhurian. Can you read? That is. Can you read Armenian? Then read what I have written about "Arpa" (chay/kak) I just posted it here again for the umpteenth time, search and find. And get that Turkish "arpa/kaka" off your head. Am I angry? :angry: Do you know what anger means? :angry: Why is it that many of our correspondents seem to know more turkish to know that "arpa" may mean barley, yet don't seem to know enough Armenian to know that "arpa" means "from the sun"? Why don't we FOR ONCE IN OUR LIVES LEARN ARMENIAN and forget that "f*** n other non-language.??? WOW! I never thought I would run into such hard Turk-Ottoman heads here who can' differntaite between the "arpa" and the Armenian ARPA as in Arpa Get, the river from ARP/SUN. I need another thousand years/geberations to hammer in the message that her we speak Armenian as in "Arpa/from the Sun" and not Turkish as "arpa/ as in barley" whatvere the shit it may mean. Is it to much to ask to forget that turkish/kakish language and learn some basic Armenian!!?? Yes. Yes. I know. Many have insinuated that my nickname means barley in Turkish. Do we know more Armenian than the likes of Zur-kakars? Why do we know more Turkish than proper Armenian to know what "arp/arpi/arpa" means? It does not mean "barley". The Armenian word for that is "gari". Yes. Yes. I am familiar with that f***n language. GET THE HELL OUT OF TURKEY. THIS IS ARMENIA. Edited February 23, 2007 by Arpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neko Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 Can you read? That is. Can you read Armenian? Then read what I have written about "Arpa" (chay/kak) I just posted it here again for the umpteenth time, search and find. And get that Turkish "arpa/kaka" off your head. Am I angry? :angry: Do you know what anger means? :angry: Yeh, I remember - but I also remember I had said in a previous post that almost nobody except you bothers reading or even remembering past posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armenak Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 Sorry Arpa. Կը ներես: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmd Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 Non. Non. Ma cher Ariane. Vous ne me comprend pas. It is not how some people speak but how they write. If I were to understand the slang spoken in some of my not so anglo neighborhoods, I might as well be Zimbabwe. Yet, even they when say/write “Zimbabwe” they “Zimbabwe”, not “Zimpapveh”, where the B//Ben, as in Ayb Ben is a B and the PE as in Cha PE Je is P. Em eye meyqink cence? Hi MosJan :) Or just layk apov. Em eye kowink epov ur heds? it goes over my head because i was born in Yervan and learned how to read and write Armenian prior to starting school. we moved to the US before i received any formal Armenian education. as a result my Armenian vocabulary and grammer is limited. i understand western Armenian but not very well at times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ariane Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 it goes over my head because i was born in Yervan and learned how to read and write Armenian prior to starting school. we moved to the US before i received any formal Armenian education. as a result my Armenian vocabulary and grammer is limited. i understand western Armenian but not very well at times. I've got exactly the same problem, even if, I'm born in France my parents too, my grandparents went from Kharpert and Yozgad western arménia. But when I'm born my parents and my granparents were only talking with me in armenian. I haven't speak french till the age of 5, when I started school, where I've learnt it, that's why , my armenian vocabular and grammar are limited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ariane Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 Can you read? That is. Can you read Armenian? Then read what I have written about "Arpa" (chay/kak) I just posted it here again for the umpteenth time, search and find. And get that Turkish "arpa/kaka" off your head. Am I angry? :angry: Do you know what anger means? :angry: Why is it that many of our correspondents seem to know more turkish to know that "arpa" may mean barley, yet don't seem to know enough Armenian to know that "arpa" means "from the sun"? Why don't we FOR ONCE IN OUR LIVES LEARN ARMENIAN and forget that "f*** n other non-language.??? WOW! I never thought I would run into such hard Turk-Ottoman heads here who can' differntaite between the "arpa" and the Armenian ARPA as in Arpa Get, the river from ARP/SUN. I need another thousand years/geberations to hammer in the message that her we speak Armenian as in "Arpa/from the Sun" and not Turkish as "arpa/ as in barley" whatvere the shit it may mean. Is it to much to ask to forget that turkish/kakish language and learn some basic Armenian!!?? Yes. Yes. I know. Many have insinuated that my nickname means barley in Turkish. Do we know more Armenian than the likes of Zur-kakars? Why do we know more Turkish than proper Armenian to know what "arp/arpi/arpa" means? It does not mean "barley". The Armenian word for that is "gari". Yes. Yes. I am familiar with that f***n language. GET THE HELL OUT OF TURKEY. THIS IS ARMENIA. Dear ARPA, I don't want u to be angry like that. Even if I understand and I agree with u for everything you say. But, I won't teach u that a lot of armenians musn't speak armenian for to hide, and I know a lot of armenians from west who were not knowing a word of armenian, they were just speaking this F****** BASTARDS NON-LANGAGE ( as you say cause it's so true !!!!!!!!!! I really hate, as you can't imagine! u say their non-langage, I use to say they have no-name!), my family was bi-lingual (tri-lingual with the french, they were so clever, they'll have for ever all my love, respect, admiration), we were living in a community in Marseille where there was a lot of armenians from many places of "our entire Armenia", they've mixed the both langages, and that's wot a lot of people born away, like me, have heard and learnt, that is why we don't know the proper armenian. I know u knew that, and allright, for my part I'm ready to learn the rights words. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted December 12, 2008 Report Share Posted December 12, 2008 (edited) Those of us who insists that Chrsitmas is on Jan. 6, 7, 13, 19. How many Chrsitmas Sharakans do you know? Can you sing them? How many Chrsitmas carols do I know? Can I sing them? You bet!! I have sung them, both carols and sharakans in public. How many sharakans have you sung in public? How many can you sing now? Those whose main aim is to draw a line between Dec. 25 and Jan. 6 , isolate us from the rest of Christendom, the Christian World need not apply. Even if, at the moment I don’t subscribe to any traditional or formal church, I do remember that we used to sing the following Sharakan. At the days when I was the chairman of the local church auxiliary committee, during a Christmas gathering we, lighted candles and sang Christmas Carols. And, towards the end I invited the two major chorus mmbers to sing an Armenian Christmas Song. Both of them were at a loss.They were not embaarsed,but I turned beet red. They could not even remember the sharakan below, that I, who was born and raised as a non-Apostolic, knew by heart.. The following is from here, thank you Ohannes. http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=17...mp;#entry252842 ՕՐՀՆՈՒԹԻՒՆ ԾՆՆԴԵԱՆ Խորհո՛ւրդ մեծ եւ սքանչելի, Որ յայսմ աւուր յայտնեցաւ, Հովիվքն երգեն ընդ հրեշտակս, Տան աւետիս աշխարհի: Ծնա՛ւ նոր արքայ Ի Բեթղեհեմ քաղաքի. Որդի՛ք մարդկան, օրհնեցէ՛ք, Զի վասն մեր մարմնացաւ: Անբաւելին երկնի եւ երկրի Ի խանձարուրս պատեցաւ, Ոչ մեկնելով ի Հօրէ` Ի սուրբ այրին բազմեցաւ Մովսէս Խորենացի Is that the Armenian version of this? or this? http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=17...mp;#entry252842 And, when you click to the above, also see the (Armenian, when did “kara“ become an Armenian word?) Herbert Von Karayan’s Symphony no. 6 And now. Some of us have the audacity to state that Christmas is not on Dec. 25 , but on Jan. 6, 7, 13 or 19. Show us! Sing a Christmas Sharakan. And, please come back when you can show us how any Jan. 6th Armenian has created such masterpices as Handel's Messiah and Beethoven's 9th Edited December 12, 2008 by Arpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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