Error 404 Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 Please allow me start this topic so Aram can have his rest in peace. First of all I would like to mention that this is my personal opinion about the mugham and rabiz and I am not forcing it to anyone. And I am going to keep my mind wide open to your suggestions and critisizm. According to Mosjan mugham is originaly coming from Persia. I am not sure about that. But if even so than it must have Armenian-Aryan roots. Because Aryans on their way to east had big influance on the semi-civilized tribes in the area which is Iran now. Or it may have semitic roots. But lets live this topic to scientists. I know that the first song ever written down was of summerian origin millenias ago. I personally like mugham but a real ethnic mugham not a turkish crap. Kavali singers are professional mugham singers. They do not even live long they are dying young because they are getting throat cancer because of their professional activities. Andalusian (in Spain) ethnic songs are mugham too. Sayat Nova was singing mugham too. There are big similiarities between mugham and musical instruments. I think mugham is imitation of the musical instrument (duduk, violin etc) Violin originated from middle east, I think from Iran. The original Violin had more than 10 strings. And it could play musical notes that are not known in modern western musical notes . Supposedly those hidden notes that are not available in western musical instruments are the ones which are affecting or touching human soul (Some call those particles of music, god's voice). Same is with mugham too. Thats why many well known western musicians especially Jazz musicians are traveling to middle east or india to experience that music or songs. Even rock bands include middle eastern mughamic elements in their solo guitar part. By the way classic Jazz is like mugham too it starts together then every party (instrument) plays it's part separately then they play together again and then it finishes. So my point is that mugham imitates the instrument which is able really to touch the human soul. Some of the mughams do not even have lyrics or just few words some do have beautifull lyrics too like Sayat Nova's. MosJan was rigth mentioning that armenian church uses mugham too in it's "Sharakanner". Even in the latest western movies the touchy parts are accompanied with armenian duduk or some type of mugham. As far as it to rabiz goes. It is some type of mutation of mugham and modern music. Typical turksih style. Everything is stolen from here and there nothing is original. And the lyrics is BS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 since i have talked many many many times about Rabiz - i will only gave you some links on mugham that has been posted in our forum privusly Mugham / Murram http://hyeforum.com/index.php?s=&showt...ost&p=13304 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=1435 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 rabiz is not a genre of music... rabiz is an idea... it's not bound to any specific ethnic or national group... rabiz is a movement... a global movement, which has taken place in different places at different times... good or bad, it's a reality... indivisible part of human society... necessaty for human development and survival... btw, i've made a few dozen posts in this forum about rabiz, and all of them are different, most of them contradicting each other... so... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 .. They do not even live long they are dying young because they are getting throat cancer because of their professional activities. What kind of "professional activities"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 What kind of "professional activities"? PIS mard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Error 404 Posted November 9, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 Harut that's not Kavali those are chukchas. Whatever it is I thnik it's original. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Error 404 Posted November 9, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 What kind of "professional activities"? putting cheese on their heads P.S. ushadir karda khaskanas yete ches haskanum hayeren kgrem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 Error jan es qez hamar RAbiz %100 w/ Turkish influence Mugham + Sound + The way music is played ..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rm6uIya-b48 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNXddWRQ12M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 Error i have a question for you what would you say this song is ?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wy5BCzEIAmI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Error 404 Posted November 9, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 (edited) Error said: whatever gaghapar chunem chem el uzum unenam Edited November 9, 2006 by Error 404 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Error 404 Posted November 9, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 By the way the second one: http://youtube.com/watch?v=W6Cw9CMh0VE the title: armenchik-tatulik-gandulik has a good message in it. Almost real. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 Error said: whatever gaghapar chunem chem el uzum unenam uremn el ban chases mez Rabizneris yes el gnam Mer Flor Morqin Yev Kristikin lsem mi qich http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqUNhQ1D308 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 Error jan ari espes asenq, Rabiz aysinqen joxovrti tsocits yelats yerajshtutyun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 uremn el ban chases mez Rabizneris yes el gnam Mer Flor Morqin Yev Kristikin lsem mi qich http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqUNhQ1D308 I love that song. Flora is wonderful. Her DleYaman...Its the best there is Ed, BTW the Isabela does a wonderful rendition of Dle Yaman in Zvartnots in that DVD that you just ordered. Its very very good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 thanks Azat, by the way I'm looking for the dvd recording of Flora Martirosyan performing Dleh Yaman, thats also unforgetable performance. I wish should would perform more, she remains to be one of the best prisenter of Armenian music. very few now amongst our youngsters take such artists as role models Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 if you find the video please post here here is a very bad recording but her voice is still dominating in it http://www.armeniansound.net/listen-sample...f7a6mm48qpcv894 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Error 404 Posted November 9, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 Error jan ari espes asenq, Rabiz aysinqen joxovrti tsocits yelats yerajshtutyun Edo jan, nax yev araj vor zhoghovrdi hay te turk? Yete turk liovin hamadsayn em. Hayi depqum: yete hashvi arnenq asiacineri bazmutyun@ mer zhoghovrdi mej, karelia yev edpes asel. Edpesela patahum... Bayc yes karcum em Aram Xachaturyani classic erazhshtutyun@ haykakan coloritnerov vor yurorinak en irenc eutyamb, komitasi yerazhshtutyun@, Sayat Novayi siro pilisopayakan govergutyun@ yev ayl nmanorinak taghandneri gorcern u votshna mer joghovrdi tsocic durs ekel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 I love that song. Flora is wonderful. Her DleYaman...Its the best there is Ed, BTW the Isabela does a wonderful rendition of Dle Yaman in Zvartnots in that DVD that you just ordered. Its very very good Azat jan haw do you knwo what dvd and whan i I order ?? man are you Spaying on me ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 thanks Azat, by the way I'm looking for the dvd recording of Flora Martirosyan performing Dleh Yaman, thats also unforgetable performance. I wish should would perform more, she remains to be one of the best prisenter of Armenian music. very few now amongst our youngsters take such artists as role models dle yaman by Flora / if i'm not wrong on the CD sounds like the song from Movie Mayrig - it;'s the same music same sound not the same CD that Azta is pointing to / the Azat is taliking is more like Ara Gevorgyan has made the music Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zartonk Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 (edited) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNXddWRQ12M Lav a asum, che? Ov vor morits khrovuma, etum paroom u yerkuma... By the way, since Harut mentioned (not sure why), here is the premier throat-singing hoomi group Huun-HuUr-Tu Incredible technique. Edited November 9, 2006 by Zartonk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 By the way, since Harut mentioned (not sure why), here is the premier throat-singing hoomi group Huun-HuUr-Tu Incredible technique. just to show some other people who need throat lubricant because of their professional activities... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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