Arpa Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 (edited) Yes! Indeed! Aramazt/Astuats hogin lousavore! It seems he does need some lousavorum, considering the tragic episodes of his life and his tragically untimely demise. Don’t go by me. I don’t know, never knew who he is, from what I learned from the links, if I did not underastandand his so called Armenian words I would think he was singing in Turkish. His style is genuine Turkish.. Neither do I know anyone since Sayat Nova and Komitas, least of which the likes of Katur-bokhju--ian (mule droppings), to name a few so called Armenian singer/gusans with Furk*ish surnames. To me, there are no “Armenian” singers since Armenak Shahmuratian, Gohar Gasparian and their successors…..Now that he has gone to his reward in heaven, maybe we should encourage our up and coming singers, Katu-bokh-ji-ians and co. to get their non-furkical musical education at the Komitas conservatory rather learn from and imitate what they see on Turkish TV. Why don’t these so called Armenian singers/gusans first study the likes of Komitas to learn the difference between Armenian and that so called fu**ish schmusic!! Rabiz? Is that another variant of “rubbish”? Naturally. They have to sing in that Azeri./***ish style since their audience have never heard of Komitas and Sayat Nova. To know the difference. As to “gusan” , here is what I said. In short; “Gusan “ is an abbreviated form of “govasan”**, an odist, one who sings the virtues and dedicates his/her “odes”, his/her poems of LOVE . I can sing Zulu tunes with words like “Hyasatan Erkir Drakhtavayr” and pretend it to be Armenian culture. **From “govel/գովել” =to praise, and “asan/ասան”=reciter. Her is what was written about the subject. http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=1544&hl=gusan Gusan or more correctly "gosan" is a native Armenian word somewhat abbreviated from the original "govasan" that means composer/redacter of "govasanq", that is how the early vipasan/narrator/poet/singer/musician/troubadours were known which means an odist, a composer of words of praise and endearment. Edited November 8, 2006 by Arpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayemyes Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 I don't want to be mean, but I believe that it is very irrespectful to bash a respected singer who just passed away leaving many of his fans in awe and disbelief just a day after his death and in a topic that is supposed to present his death information. If anyone has anything to say about Aram and his music I respect their opinion but i believe it should be done in a seperate topic, not in this one. People who come here to see this topic expect to see information about his death and pay their condolences, not read other's opinions about whether his music was turkish, russian, arabic, azeri or I don't know what else. What makes a good singer? Before anything, his personality and his devotion. I have nothing else to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 he paseed away in Armenia / Echmiadzin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 Yesterday at 07:30 p.m. famous singer Aram Asatryan died from a heart attack in Oshakan. The singer was invited to the village as godfather in a wedding party. The ambulance took Asatryan to the Ejmiadzin hospital, but he was already dead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Error 404 Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 I don't want to be mean, but I believe that it is very irrespectful to bash a respected singer who just passed away leaving many of his fans in awe and disbelief just a day after his death and in a topic that is supposed to present his death information. If anyone has anything to say about Aram and his music I respect their opinion but i believe it should be done in a seperate topic, not in this one. People who come here to see this topic expect to see information about his death and pay their condolences, not read other's opinions about whether his music was turkish, russian, arabic, azeri or I don't know what else. What makes a good singer? Before anything, his personality and his devotion. I have nothing else to say. Maybe he was respected by you but he is not respected by me. Rabiz music's roots are from turkey. When someone takes the turkish music and just changes or translates the words to armenian he is not a Gusan. More, he is not an armenian for me either. I never listened to any type of rabiz music and never had respect to the singers who take the turkish music and make songs of it. Sorry but that's my opinion. Aram is dead god bless his soul I can respect him as a human but not as a armenian gusan. As far as it goes to Sayat Nova. He was one and only in his style and in his time. You cannot compare him to rabiz musician. He is a gusan. He made ethnic music and lyrics. He was not a PLAGIAT! As I said modern rabiz musicians take turkish music and make songs of it. Armenians are not the only ones who takes that crap and make money. Same is by azeris, georgians, bulgarians, yugoslavians, albanians etc. I do not think singers from those nations took the music style from Armenia or Aram. Edo jan I never listened to Aram and never danced to his songs or music either. It could be a monkey in a suite for me but not any type of rabiz shit. I appologize for the harsh words... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 de lav yekeq merats mardu hetevits chxosenq Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 It's aweful that he passed away; especially that he wasn't that old. It must be horrible for his family. But just because he passed away doesn't mean that we cannot discuss his style of singing and the type of music he sang. The fact is that he was an entertainer, not an artist. A fact is a fact and one shouldn't feel obliged to say otherwise just because someone dies. And the fact is that he inspired a whole new generation of rabiz singers who further Turkified the so-called Armenian songs for entertaining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayemyes Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 Maybe he was respected by you but he is not respected by me. Rabiz music's roots are from turkey. When someone takes the turkish music and just changes or translates the words to armenian he is not a Gusan. More, he is not an armenian for me either. I never listened to any type of rabiz music and never had respect to the singers who take the turkish music and make songs of it. Sorry but that's my opinion. Aram is dead god bless his soul I can respect him as a human but not as a armenian gusan. As far as it goes to Sayat Nova. He was one and only in his style and in his time. You cannot compare him to rabiz musician. He is a gusan. He made ethnic music and lyrics. He was not a PLAGIAT! As I said modern rabiz musicians take turkish music and make songs of it. Armenians are not the only ones who takes that crap and make money. Same is by azeris, georgians, bulgarians, yugoslavians, albanians etc. I do not think singers from those nations took the music style from Armenia or Aram. Edo jan I never listened to Aram and never danced to his songs or music either. It could be a monkey in a suite for me but not any type of rabiz shit. I appologize for the harsh words... listen i didn't imply who he was respected by particularly, but most armenians respected him, just check out a concert video of his and u will see his fans...but ur post just came to prove what i said, that ppl here are bashing him in the back after his death, and that is NOT RIGHT!!! so please stop that and open another post where u and everyone else can do whatever they want, but please, if you're not interested in offering condolences or getting information about his death and life, then don't post in this topic, it's just disrespectful to use such a topic to put out negative publicity...i'm sure no one would like it when during an elogy someone is interrupted by some people who have bad things to say about that person...it's just a question of respect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayemyes Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 It's aweful that he passed away; especially that he wasn't that old. It must be horrible for his family. But just because he passed away doesn't mean that we cannot discuss his style of singing and the type of music he sang. The fact is that he was an entertainer, not an artist. A fact is a fact and one shouldn't feel obliged to say otherwise just because someone dies. And the fact is that he inspired a whole new generation of rabiz singers who further Turkified the so-called Armenian songs for entertaining. i am not saying don't criticize him, everyone is free to do so, but i find it disrespectful that we use every topic about this man to bash him, and especially i find it disrespectful that ppl use this topic which is a fresh and sensitive one to bash him, if they want to do so, (even though i don't find it right), they can open a seperate topic, because this one says Aram Asatryan Passed Away Today, and not Aram Asatryan sings this or that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayemyes Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 if someone doesn't have anything to say or offer on the occasion of his death let them not speak IN THIS TOPIC...THE END Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 It's aweful that he passed away; especially that he wasn't that old. It must be horrible for his family. But just because he passed away doesn't mean that we cannot discuss his style of singing and the type of music he sang. The fact is that he was an entertainer, not an artist. A fact is a fact and one shouldn't feel obliged to say otherwise just because someone dies. And the fact is that he inspired a whole new generation of rabiz singers who further Turkified the so-called Armenian songs for entertaining. Anushik jan Arami yergi & yerashtutyan 80% turqakanits shat heru er kan melodyaner / Lader inch n@man en vorosh dzevov - sakayn kaseyi shat aveli Parskakanin en n@man qan turqakanin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Error 404 Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 if someone doesn't have anything to say or offer on the occasion of his death let them not speak IN THIS TOPIC...THE END What is the difference expressing our opinions here in this thread or opening a new thread about the dead man's "talent". I guess it will have the same effect at the end. Che hyesdu? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Error 404 Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 It's aweful that he passed away; especially that he wasn't that old. It must be horrible for his family. But just because he passed away doesn't mean that we cannot discuss his style of singing and the type of music he sang. The fact is that he was an entertainer, not an artist. A fact is a fact and one shouldn't feel obliged to say otherwise just because someone dies. And the fact is that he inspired a whole new generation of rabiz singers who further Turkified the so-called Armenian songs for entertaining. Anushik jan bravo! He didn't only turkify armenian songs but also our generations. People claim that there is no other music for dancing during the wedding and other ceremonies. Are you kidding me? Come over I will give you tons of real armenian dance music. Enqan pareq minchev koshiknerd prcni ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 Anushik jan Arami yergi & yerashtutyan 80% turqakanits shat heru er kan melodyaner / Lader inch n@man en vorosh dzevov - sakayn kaseyi shat aveli Parskakanin en n@man qan turqakanin Sireli MosJan. Inchpes zanazel Parskakan@ Turqakanits? Ardyoq min yergum e Komitas-zadeyi vochov minch myus@ Komitas-oghluyi? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 do any of you have the BIO of Aram Asatryan ??/ he was a Truck driver ( KAMAZ ) who had a voice to sing - i don't even know if he had any musical education or not - but he did get in harts of it's People / some call it Rabiz some call it City Music - i call it backyard music - but he did get Up their right below Harout and above the rest - the man had no education what soever and this is what he has created BY HIM SELF !!! he has many fine songs that are truly Armenian / he has some that are translated / copied from others - if you can sing %100 Armenian - go for it sing and i will be the #1 person who will pay to get your cd or the concert tickets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayemyes Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 What is the difference expressing our opinions here in this thread or opening a new thread about the dead man's "talent". I guess it will have the same effect at the end. Che hyesdu? it's just a matter of principle and fundamental manners which some people lack that you don't bash a dead man by respect, imagine someone dear to you has passed away, God forbid, would u like it that i come to u right after and start bashing him on a thread u open to receive condolences for that person? in fact, i would be more human than that, i wouldn't even think of bashing that person eventhough i don't dislike him since the situation is very touchy i'm just disgusted by this whole attitude and situation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 Sireli MosJan. Inchpes zanazel Parskakan@ Turqakanits? Ardyoq min yergum e Komitas-zadeyi vochov minch myus@ Komitas-oghluyi? inchpes zananzanel ?? for that you need to learn MUGHAM - DziynaKhagh or YerashtaXar Sayat novayi, Gusan Sherami, Gusan Ashoti yerashtutyan himq@ Mughamn e. nuyn iyn inch Aram@ / Arsen@ yev shat shater ogtvum en iysor nuyn iyd mugham@ karrogh es lsel nuynisk Mer HAykakan MAqrqemaqur Yekeretsakan Araroghutyuneri jamanak - mer Hogevor yergeri mej nuynisk.... yes voch Aramin Surb em dartsnum voch el Satana - sakayn uner lav yerger !!! yev chem el sirum mahhatsats mardu hetevits qar gtsel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 http://www.aramasatrian.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 1973: In the Soviet Army, he performed a concert and earned a diploma as best writer and performer. 1976: He wrote a special song for the Armenian flag 1983: He gave a concert with the marching soldiers and received a diploma for best Armenian singer. 1985: Earned his second diploma for best Armenian singer and writer 1988-1990: During his stay at Russia he had 110 concerts and all of the fund’s were donated to the orphan’s of Armenia. 1990: He had the biggest concert in “Spitak” city, and he received a diploma as best singer and writer. 1994: In the city of Beirut, Lebanon he won Best Armenian Performer. 1995: He had six concerts in the city of Sochi and Adler and $1,000,000 was donated to the Armenian Church in Sochi; he received a Thank You diploma for the biggest donation they ever obtained. 1995: Eight concerts took place in Yerevan, “Hamalir”, the funds were donated to the orphans of Armenia, and he received an award from the President of Armenia for the donations he gave throughout the world. 1996: He had a concert in Australia and all the funds were donated to the soldiers and the citizens of Armenia. 1996: Twenty concerts took place in the city of “Karabagh”, and he received a gold medal and an award for the funds that were given to the lost and killed soldiers of “Karabagh”. 1998: He moved to America followed by two concerts that took place in Seattle; he donated the funds to Echmiazin, Armenia for the families that lost their loved one’s in the war. 1999: AMFA Presents Favorite Singer voted by the people. 2000: AMFA Presents Favorite Singer voted by the people. 2001: AMFA Presents Best Popular Album “ASEM TE CHASEM”. 2003: A concert took place in Alex Theater that was dedicated to his Fifty Golden Years, and he received a number of awards. Ankax Hayastan (1992) Puch Ashkhar (1993) Nayir Ashxarhin (1994) Azad Hayastan (1995) Hay es du (1996) Golden Album (1997) In Los Angeles (1998) 10 Tary Bemum (1999) Yet darcek tariner (1999) 2000 (album) (2000) Remix (2000) Selftitled (2000) The Very Best (2000) Asem Te Chasem (2001) Im Yerke (2001) Skizb (2002) Sweet Memories 1980-1990 (2002) 50 Golden Years (2003) Du Ashxar Ekar (2003) Anun'd (2005) My Sons (2006) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 http://www.aramasatrian.com/ it was not working yesterday / i guess it's up and running now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 http://stver.com/images/aramHeader.jpg BIO In this world people have their time to shine and be a golden star. It has to be experienced for one to see and understand the real life of what one man is living through. Aram Asatryan has shared his life and talent with the world. On March 3, 1953, Aram Asatryan was born in Echmiazin, Armenia, the son of Ashken Mampreyan and Hapet Asatryan. He was born to a refugee family and the strength of his soul determined the importance of his country. Ever since his childhood years he has been a talented person and has given his heart and soul to music. In the year of 1985, his band united: Levon Abryamyan, Khatchik Sahakyan, Souren Gasparyan, and Simon Sisoyan. Aram had battles to conquer and challenges to overcome. From his strong but sweet voice to his astonishing music, he became known throughout the world. Aram loved to work and he devoted his life to music. He approached positive things and was confident about himself. His love for his country and the Armenians as well as other races are expressed in his songs. When his homeland was jeopardized, with his songs he brought hope to the people, the soldiers, and to the heroes. Aram performed many concerts in Asia, Europe, Russia, the Arabian Seas and many cities in Armenia. He achieved 108 concerts, and has never left a place without putting a smile on someone’s face. Until this day he has written over 500 songs, and continues touring the world and the United States. Throughout his life he has received many awards and diplomas such as the “Gusan” he was awarded on April 18, 2003 from the Cultural Music Ministry in Armenia. His words of life are a song, and the key of a song is life. His strength is in the words of his songs, and the origins of his songs are the beginning of life. In the present time he resides in the United States and continues his music life. He believes his music will pass on from generation to generation. The importance of his songs are going to stay for many centuries, and he will be loved forever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Error 404 Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 inchpes zananzanel ?? for that you need to learn MUGHAM - DziynaKhagh or YerashtaXar Sayat novayi, Gusan Sherami, Gusan Ashoti yerashtutyan himq@ Mughamn e. nuyn iyn inch Aram@ / Arsen@ yev shat shater ogtvum en iysor nuyn iyd mugham@ karrogh es lsel nuynisk Mer HAykakan MAqrqemaqur Yekeretsakan Araroghutyuneri jamanak - mer Hogevor yergeri mej nuynisk.... yes voch Aramin Surb em dartsnum voch el Satana - sakayn uner lav yerger !!! yev chem el sirum mahhatsats mardu hetevits qar gtsel Mosjan mugham@ u rabiz@ lriv tarber baner en. For instance I listen to kavali and indian music (Perm Joshua etc.) I can listen middle eastern ethnic music. Those are mugham. But Rabiz is turkish. I do not listen turkish music, I hate when armenians are talking turkish, I hate when armenians are singing turkish, I do not buy turkish clothes, I do not buy turkish food because if I do so I fill that I am contributing in the genocide denial process and I am making my enemy strong. Yes I am boykoting anything turkish. Even if I liked rabiz I won't listen to it principially. I think this topic is going to hit the point where we are going to discuss musical tastes. Then it is going to be infinite. I already expressed my opinion and I am not going to repeat it over and over. Che hayesdu? Like I said as a human beeing he was a good person and god bless his soul but he was not a musician for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayemyes Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 first of all, learn to read and say people's nicknames properly secondly, i'm glad u realised taht this topic is degenerating into a musical taste topic which is not its purpose thirdly, we didn't ask your opinion nor anyone's opinion on his music, so no one is asking you to repeat it either, since we didn't want it from the beginning, not because it is a negative one, but simply because the topic isn't about that fourthly, anyone with the slightest musical education wouldn't stamp turkish on rabiz, and we have had that discussion before and we could in the future if needed, but i am not going to elaborate so that this topic doesnt lose its purpose once again fifthly, stop bashing the dead, it's not a good thing, especially someone who has helped armenia in many ways (i don't want lame answers to this saying his music was this his music was that...) finally, stick to the topic, if you don't have anything to say about his death, don't speak in this topic, open another one where you can say whatever you want, since you cannot change people's opinion easily, there's no point continuing to bash someone anyways especially after his death, because you can't change anything and people know stuff that you don't and have their reasons that explain the opinions they have Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 rabiz = turkish + azeri+ Russian + greek + Arabic + anything and everything Mugham is and was Iranian element - leather in adapted by turks just because Turks and azeris clam that mugham is theirs don't take that for granted !! it's 100% Iranian starting from the names of mugham ending w/ the way it's performed as for boycotting anything turkish i'm all up for it and not only turkish + azeri + ++++ if any of you wish to talk about rabiz and rabiz music - please find the topic under Music forum !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Error 404 Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 rabiz = turkish + azeri+ Russian + greek + Arabic + anything and everything Mugham is and was Iranian element - leather in adapted by turks just because Turks and azeris clam that mugham is theirs don't take that for granted !! it's 100% Iranian starting from the names of mugham ending w/ the way it's performed as for boycotting anything turkish i'm all up for it and not only turkish + azeri + ++++ if any of you wish to talk about rabiz and rabiz music - please find the topic under Music forum !!! Good point lets leave this thread in peace and move on to the one about rabiz. I guess everyone expressed themselves already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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