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Eve, have you heard of Louis Theroux's Weird Weekends? He too goes off to remote English speaking places (as himself) to expose the type of people who live outside of the mainstream. The idea behind it is: "Are we, Westerners, really as civilized as we like to believe we are?"

 

In the case of Borat and Ali G (and Bruno the Austrian), the joke started in England, and only after it became a hit was it moved to America. For Ali G, it was to expose the idiocy of the smartest people in England and America (professors, government officials, etc.) For Borat, it's to expose the other side of England and America; the quite shocking side we never get to see. In England, Borat started off going to upper class events, like horse-racing, fox-hunting, and tea time, just to expose these classes for what they really are. In America, he spent most of his time with your average Joe; the average Joe most of us never get to see. The main question with Borat, like Theroux, is: "What is civilization? And are we really as civilized as we believe we are?"

 

I do agree that sometimes he goes overboard (I felt the same with Ali G at times), but when he nails it, he nails it well.

 

I haven't seen the movie yet, but there are plenty of earlier clips on YouTube.

 

"Are we, Westerners, really as civilized as we like to believe we are?"

 

Absolutely, I did mention in my review that this is what I picked up from his delicate "lesson learned" points, Kazakhistan - one backwards world vs. US - another. But it wasn't done in a deliciously subtle yet poignant manner, it was done through extreme vulgarity as if he is counting on the viewer to be rather stupid that he needs to chew and spit it out. I don't need to see feces in a plastic bag at a dinner table to understand that some people are overly conservative. I loved Politically Correct and I did wish they would get raunchy but not derriere abusive raunchy.

 

And it's a little trite don't you think to always target the upper classes, it's been done so much over the years, politically, artistically and socially. How about criticizing those who continuously criticize the bourgeoisie, the leftist, the democrats, the union supporters, those who believe they must suffer in order to be creative. There are so many territories to explore, so many edgy, raunchy and delicious subjects that making your first motion picture about Muslims, evil and stupid Americans, ghettos and anti-Semites is very clichéd at this time.

 

As I've mentioned before it's the fact that it's popular to find this movie funny, because it means that you are liberal and open minded and not afraid to laugh or fart. And everyone jumps on the wagon, people love to think that they are cool and have a great sense of humor but very few actually get there. It's one thing if this was along the lines of "Airplane" or "naked gun" but his film is actually marketed as a political and offensive comedy. I found nothing offensive except for the homosexual scene, but only because my eyes just couldn't take it anymore. Otherwise it's pretty idiotic and I hate the fact that it's cool to say that this movie is so cool and you are so cool that you find it so cool so let's get together and be cool and just smell each others stinky shoes, because it's so raunchy and cool.

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Absolutely, I did mention in my review that this is what I picked up from his delicate "lesson learned" points, Kazakhistan - one backwards world vs. US - another.

 

Hmm. Wouldn't say one backward world versus another, but one backward world (US) that thinks every other world is backward (e.g. Kazakhstan). It's playing with the stereotypes.

 

I absolutely do not want to defend the film. I haven't even seen it and I trust your word if you say that it's over the top much of the time. I'm just 'analyzing' my understanding of "Borat" from a slightly different perspective.

 

"Borat," btw, is not Sacha Baron Cohen's first film. He made another film with Ali G a few years ago.

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hahahahaha ahah ahahaa hhahahaaha hhhaha :lol2: :lol2: :lol2:

 

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Oh my god I am about to cry ahahahahahaa ahdhahhaahaha

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haahah

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"votovhetev"? ahahahaah :o :D :beta: :clap:

 

Edit: For a second, I thought I was sure the post was by Mosjan! Karapet, thanks for making my day and welcome to the forum by the way (if I haven't said it before)!

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Harut jan votovhetev amen inch ira nshanakutyunn uni ...kam el mardik xosum eli,,

 

vorosh baneri imast@ parzapes dram ashxateln e, mardkants zvarjatsnelov... im kartsiqov ays film@ dranits batsi urish imast chuner...

there was no news on what kind of crawd gathers at rodeoes in the south, or how drunk college kids act, or that you would get arrested if you attack a celebrity in public (even though that scene with pamel anderson was set up), or that jews can show hispitality, etc...

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vorosh baneri imast@ parzapes dram ashxateln e, mardkants zvarjatsnelov... im kartsiqov ays film@ dranits batsi urish imast chuner...

there was no news on what kind of crawd gathers at rodeoes in the south, or how drunk college kids act, or that you would get arrested if you attack a celebrity in public (even though that scene with pamel anderson was set up), or that jews can show hispitality, etc...

 

 

ete du ches havanel , ba inchi es gnazel pox zaxsel u nayel kinon, vorovhetev bolor@ xosum ein ayd kinonkari masin che??? ayo, ,,,ba Harut jan ete es forumum mardik chxosan amen inchiz, ba inchi hamar e ays forum@...ayo mek mek el kinonkarner@ dram ashxatelu hamar en. ba dranz uzazn el da e,,, dram ashxatel@,,spasek tesnem te TYPO chunem, vor Sip@ shat shzizaxi,,chnayaz zizaxel@ lav ogtakar e,,, :P

 

 

Urax em vor zizaxazrezi Sip jan kez..,,gone mek@ urax e.... :D

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ANKARA, Turkey - A Turkish Internet celebrity is so convinced he was the inspiration for

Sacha Baron Cohen's "Borat" character, he's traveling to London seeking an apology and a way to get paid from the film's surprise success.

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Mahir Cagri 44, became a cyber celebrity after posting a personal Web site in 1999, featuring unintentionally amusing photos of himself playing pingpong or the accordion and sunbathing in a skimpy bathing suit. Fans were captivated by his broken English and hilarious invitation to women: "Who is want to come TURKEY I can invitate ... She can stay my home."

 

"The world knows he is copying Mahir," Cagri told The Associated Press in a telephone interview from his hometown of Izmir on Monday, minutes before he was to board a plane for Istanbul to appear on a talk show.

 

"I am not saying this — the world is. I have received so many e-mails from people in the United States who tell me he is imitating me," he said.

 

Cagri, a freelance journalist, was scheduled to fly to London on Tuesday for meetings with his manager and lawyer there to discuss his options and hold interviews with British newspapers. He hopes to receive an "acknowledgment or an apology" from Baron Cohen.

 

"The bombshell is going to fall," he said of his London trip. "(Cohen) is making money by using me."

 

The title character in the movie "Borat: Cultural Learnings of America for Make Benefit Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan" was first developed for "Da Ali G Show" on HBO. The 20th Century Fox movie took in $26.5 million in the U.S. its opening weekend, more than any other film.

 

On the commentary track to the DVD of "Da Ali G Show," Baron Cohen says Borat was influenced by someone he met in southern Russia.

 

"I can't remember his name — he was a doctor" Baron Cohen said. "The moment I met him, I was totally crying. He was a hysterically funny guy, albeit totally unintentionally."

 

The character Borat has caused outrage among Kazakhs over the way their nation is being jokingly portrayed.

 

Cagri set up his Web site in the hope of making foreign friends and welcoming guests from abroad to his home. The Turk quickly became a celebrity, much to his surprise. Relishing his fame, Cagri has traveled to Europe and the United States to meet fans on sponsored trips.

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hahahahaha ahah ahahaa hhahahaaha hhhaha :lol2: :lol2: :lol2:

 

ahahaah a a

ahah

aah

ah

aah

 

Oh my god I am about to cry ahahahahahaa ahdhahhaahaha

aa

haahah

ahaah

 

"votovhetev"? ahahahaah :o :D :beta: :clap:

 

Edit: For a second, I thought I was sure the post was by Mosjan! Karapet, thanks for making my day and welcome to the forum by the way (if I haven't said it before)!

 

 

 

Siphan ??? JAN :)

 

du LA galu es che es amis :)

 

Azat du es aman inch@ Gri Ar aper :) heto menq ira het k@xosenq

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Siphan ??? JAN :)

 

du LA galu es che es amis :)

 

Azat du es aman inch@ Gri Ar aper :) heto menq ira het k@xosenq

:lol2: :lol2:

 

You so funny!!!

 

I had too much coffee today. :punk:

 

Anyway I've heard it was a very funny movie and can't wait to see it tonight!!! :clap:

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it's definitely not the movie that you wish to take your kids / wife to.

 

be advised !!! you might wish to have your kids & wife away before you fallow the link below

it has adult content and foul language nudity .......

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjigbwUa8wg

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it's definitely not the movie that you wish to take your kids / wife to.

 

be advised !!! you might wish to have your kids & wife away before you fallow the link below

it has adult content and foul language nudity .......

 

I removed the above link.

Never mind taking one’s wife and children.

I have not seen it, neither do I intend to. Why would any one pay to see such piece of yak-shit?

How low can our so called sense of humor sink?

That qatsordi! That Ebrayetsi shan ordi! If he thinks trashing peoples’ culture and traditions is funny, someone should make a movie to show how un-funny his people’s culture and traditions are.

Caution. You may be cited with that lethal, worthy of crucifixion label of “anti-kaks-mit-ism.

Sonofabitch!

:angry: :angry:

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it's definitely not the movie that you wish to take your kids / wife to.

 

be advised !!! you might wish to have your kids & wife away before you fallow the link below

it has adult content and foul language nudity .......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjigbwUa8wg

 

Is that what I saw real? They show that in the movie?? I rather not go see it with my 70-year old father like I intended to. He can take a joke, but this is too much even for him.

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I removed the above link.

Never mind taking one’s wife and children.

I have not seen it, neither do I intend to. Why would any one pay to see such piece of yak-shit?

How low can our so called sense of humor sink?

That qatsordi! That Ebrayetsi shan ordi! If he thinks trashing peoples’ culture and traditions is funny, someone should make a movie to show how un-funny his people’s culture and traditions are.

Caution. You may be cited with that lethal, worthy of crucifixion label of “anti-kaks-mit-ism.

Sonofabitch!

:angry: :angry:

 

Well said Arpa, this is just filth.

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I have not seen it, neither do I intend to. Why would any one pay to see such piece of yak-shit?

How low can our so called sense of humor sink?

Exactly. What's interesting is that people don't realize that the type of humor they find funny exactly reflects to who they are. If they're not insulted by bathroom and carnal so-called humor (if you can call it that) then really, how are they different then your average animal species who poop on themselves then lick their behinds?

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Updated:2006-11-13 08:27:01

Accidental 'Borat' Stars Want Last Laugh

Americans in Blockbuster Film Say They Were Duped

By BLAIR SODEN

ABCNews.com

(Nov. 13) -- Some unwitting stars of the hit comedy "Borat" don't get the joke.

 

 

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· 'Borat' Banks $29M

· Russia May Ban 'Borat

· Cohen Hides in Plain Sight

 

 

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Borat and Feminists Borat in Dixieland Borat 'Not' Jokes

 

In the fall of 2005, Michael Psenicska, owner of the Perry Hall Driving School in Baltimore County, Md., got a call from a production company making a foreign documentary film. Their star needed driving lessons.

 

Psenicska was not surprised: His school offers a class specifically for immigrant drivers. But when the student arrived, Psenicska had no idea that the supposed Kazakh journalist, Borat, was really British comedian, Sacha Baron Cohen. Little did he know that 18 months later, the "foreign documentary" he agreed to appear in would be the number one movie at the American box office.

 

Psenicska and several others approached by the film's producers are the inadvertent stars of "Borat: Cultural Learnings of America for Make Benefit Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan." The feature film grossed over $26.4 million when it opened last weekend in limited release. With the number of theaters tripling to over 2,500 this weekend, it held the top spot, earning an estimated $29 million more.

 

Duped by Cash

 

 

But the films "stars" aren't celebrating the chart-topping debut.

 

For more on the film and the objections of some of its "stars," watch "World News" this evening.

 

Most recently, Britain's Daily Mail newspaper reported that villagers in the Kazakh town of Glod, where Baron Cohen filmed scenes, feel that they were tricked and ripped off by the actor and his producers.

 

Psenicska and several others said they were duped into participating in the film. At least three people who appeared in the film claim a producer handed them cash to distract them from the release form that followed.

 

"I saw $500 and signed it," Psenicska said. "I thought nothing about it because I would release them to do a documentary."

 

Car salesman Jim Sell said he also was deceived by the lure of cold-hard cash when the producers of Borat approached him to participate at the Criswell Chevrolet car dealership in Gaithersburg, Md.

 

 

'Jagshemash!'

 

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Watch:

The 'Borat' trailer

Borat sings 'In My Country We Have a Problem'

 

More Coverage:

• White House Gates Shut to Borat

• 50 things about Kazakhstan you may not have known

"They put [the release] in front of me right when they were giving me the $150," Sell said.

 

He didn't read through the release because the crew had already started filming. Sell also worries that his reputation as a dealer of fine vehicles will be tarnished by the implication that he sold Borat an ice-cream truck. (For the record, he did not.)

 

Joe Behar said he was duped into participating in the movie when members of the production team arrived at the Four Seasons Kosher Bed & Breakfast, which he owns with his wife Miriam in Newton, Mass.

 

He said he was told the documentary was commissioned by the Kazakhstan Department of Tourism. Even then, Behar and his wife were hesitant to participate.

 

"I told him that I didn't want our pictures to be presented in the promotion of the movie," Behar said.

 

The producers kept to their word on that front. The Behars don't appear in any of the previews or advertisements for the film, but the couple believes that's hardly a consolation.

 

Rumors and Lawsuits

 

 

In a scene from the movie, Borat and his producer, Azamat, believe two cockroaches in their hotel room to be the Behars. The joke is that as Jews, the Behars have transformed into vermin to spy on the Kazakh guests.

 

The Behars said the cockroaches were superimposed by the studio in their house and "hurt us personally."

 

"This is very insulting to us," Joe Behar said. "They never told us they were going to do this, so this is really terrible to us -- because every friend is talking to us, thinks we have cockroaches."

 

The Behars worry that word of the cockroaches will fuel the town rumor mill, and others fear appearing in the movie will have implications on their futures as well.

 

Car salesman Sell said he doesn't think he got his fair share of the pie.

 

"One hundred-fifty dollars, and the movie grossed $26 million in three days," he said. "Everybody there's all smiling at our expense."

 

Sell isn't the only one questioning the film's payout. Two South Carolina college students who appear in the film are now suing 20th Century Fox for distributing their likenesses under false pretenses. The unnamed plaintiffs said film producers told them they were participating in a documentary to be shown outside of the United States.

 

Olivier Taillieu, the attorney representing the students, told ABC News, "Our contention is that they were set up, [that] they were set up in a way that made them say certain things that they do not believe to be true."

 

Driving instructor Psenicska said he also has hired an attorney, but hopes to settle before taking it to court. He claimed he risked his life by getting into the car with Borat, who drives on the wrong side of the road in one scene.

 

Psenicska is hoping to have the last laugh.

 

"I don't care what I signed; I know what they did to me and it's just not fair," he said. "Borat has not totally heard the end of me."

 

Fool Me Once…

 

 

Some say Baron Cohen may be the ultimate prankster. Though he may have duped people like Psenicska, Sell and Behar into humiliating themselves for a couple bucks, in some ways he has earned respect.

 

When asked what he would like to say to Cohen, Behar replied, "He made an extremely good movie. He's very polite. He's very nice. He's a genius."

 

Despite portraying a character who is wildly anti-Semitic, Baron Cohen himself is Jewish, a fact that was not lost on Behar.

 

"He doesn't know exactly what he's produced, and I don't think the company knows what they've produced," Behar said, "because what they've produced is a comedy that makes fun of Islam … and he's Jewish, you know."

 

Psenicska and Behar have different theories on how participating in "Borat" might impact their futures.

 

Psenicska said his involvement may make him the "cool, old relative" several years down the road.

 

"My great grandchildren will be saying … 'Back in '06 grandpa was in an R-rated flick,'" he said.

 

Behar, on the other hand, learned something from his experience. He will forever be skeptical of inquisitive journalists, even the one who wrote this article.

 

"Just make sure that you don't put anything in that's out of the ordinary," he said.

 

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