hayemyes Posted September 14, 2006 Report Share Posted September 14, 2006 this denial is purely selective because it is very hard for most of us to admit that someone we love is in a bad category...i mean let's admit it, if tata and aram are rabiz, harout is rabiz, u cannot describe him any other way...i explained the reasons that hold my argument, he modulates his voice way more than tata does, and armenian music doesnt have modulation like that...he uses alot of instruments played in a way meant to give an oriental feeling such as the saz, eventhough it is not an armenian instrument it can be played in a clean way, but its not in harout's music, also some of his songs are in fact translations of turkish songs...thats my point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted September 14, 2006 Report Share Posted September 14, 2006 the word rabiz is the most wrongly used and abused word in the armenian music scene... for example, the music of tata, tatoul, armenchik, and aram are so far apart from each other that putting them in the same category is just... wrong... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eurocentric Posted September 14, 2006 Report Share Posted September 14, 2006 (edited) the word rabiz is the most wrongly used and abused word in the armenian music scene... for example, the music of tata, tatoul, armenchik, and aram are so far apart from each other that putting them in the same category is just... wrong... Why? I and many others don't see the difference. Can you tell the difference between Deathgrind, Blackened Death, Grindcore, Deaththrash and Goregrind genres? The Dixie Chicks, Dwight Yoakam and Johnny Cash are far apart from eachother, yet all three fall under the label of Country Music. Edited September 14, 2006 by Eurocentric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted September 14, 2006 Report Share Posted September 14, 2006 (edited) HAROUT IS NOT RABIZ. 100% agreed. In my opinion, Harout Pamboukjian is in an entire category all by himself. And I mean that in a very very good way. Edit: So IF Harout is Rabiz, then non of the other candidates (e.g. Tata, Tatoul, Armenchik, Aram, etc etc) can possibly be Rabiz because they are no where near the same league as Harout. Edited September 14, 2006 by Sip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayemyes Posted September 14, 2006 Report Share Posted September 14, 2006 the problem in this discussion, as i see it, is the fact that we all have our favorite singers and we cannot let him or her be in the same category as another one whom we don't like or simply not approve of...we should be able to get past our tastes to judge the music we hear... rabiz can be of good quality or of bad quality, but it's still rabiz...for those who love japanese cars, it's like an american car, it can be of a good quality but it still remains an american car...aram, tata, armenchik and harout provide good quality of rabiz, one that is closer to popular music, whereas tatoul, hayko and the rest don't give us a clear image since many recordings are live or with cheap budget and orchestration...i mean someone who brings out 10 cds in a year is surely cutting down somewhere and its often the quality... for me, if tata and aram are qualified rabiz, then so is harout...i've never understood the immensity of harout's fame because he has only very few original songs and he just sings everyone else's music...see this is another point we can start arguing about, but ppl will say he does it well...it comes to the same thing as me saying harout does rabiz, but he does it well or aram does rabiz and he does it well...its all a matter of quality... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExtraHye Posted September 14, 2006 Report Share Posted September 14, 2006 Could someone please explain how Tata is rabiz? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I've always thought of rabiz as in translating Turkish music to Armenian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted September 14, 2006 Report Share Posted September 14, 2006 we need to categorize RABIZ Rabiz: + Pambukjyan / Tata / Armenchik / Asatryan / Aloyan Rabiz: Tatul / Shavo / Mno / Afon Rabiz: - Nazo ETC..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted September 14, 2006 Report Share Posted September 14, 2006 Could someone please explain how Tata is rabiz? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I've always thought of rabiz as in translating Turkish music to Armenian Janik he is RAbiz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayemyes Posted September 14, 2006 Report Share Posted September 14, 2006 One of the reasons i admire leyla saribekian is because she privileges quality over anything else...when asked what she thinks about current artists in the armenian music scene, in reference to rabiz, she answered i tolerate all kinds of music, as long as it is done with quality and good work...that's the best answer i could think of...i respect her for that, and for the high quality of her work which reflects alot of attention and devotion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayemyes Posted September 14, 2006 Report Share Posted September 14, 2006 we need to categorize RABIZ Rabiz: + Pambukjyan / Tata / Armenchik / Asatryan / Aloyan Rabiz: Tatul / Shavo / Mno / Afon Rabiz: - Nazo ETC..... thank you mosjan, u understood what i was trying to say Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted September 14, 2006 Report Share Posted September 14, 2006 One of the reasons i admire leyla saribekian is because she privileges quality over anything else...when asked what she thinks about current artists in the armenian music scene, in reference to rabiz, she answered i tolerate all kinds of music, as long as it is done with quality and good work...that's the best answer i could think of...i respect her for that, and for the high quality of her work which reflects alot of attention and devotion I have her "Hayi Ouje" cd and can't get enough of her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armenak Posted September 14, 2006 Report Share Posted September 14, 2006 Is Alla Levonian rabiz? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayemyes Posted September 14, 2006 Report Share Posted September 14, 2006 Is Alla Levonian rabiz? definitely not...that is what i would caracterize as armenian pop...modern pop...now let's see how harout would fit along side alla levonian for those who dont like to put him in a rabiz category... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted September 14, 2006 Report Share Posted September 14, 2006 Is Alla Levonian rabiz? no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExtraHye Posted September 14, 2006 Report Share Posted September 14, 2006 definitely not...that is what i would caracterize as armenian pop...modern pop...now let's see how harout would fit along side alla levonian for those who dont like to put him in a rabiz category... Don't forget to add tata to that list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted September 14, 2006 Report Share Posted September 14, 2006 Extar jan Tata is RAbiz - my All@chka is not so don;t be Adding Tata Tata IS RAbiz + Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zartonk Posted September 14, 2006 Report Share Posted September 14, 2006 (edited) this denial is purely selective because it is very hard for most of us to admit that someone we love is in a bad category Hyem jan, you made me come back... Only because two singers have a history of singing melancholy songs does not mean they are both rabiz. And BTW l have no problem with such catagorization; there is only good music and all else. If Harout is labeled rabiz, that's great, as he is the epitomy of the armenian pop star and hs the most danceable tunes this side of a traditional wedding ensemble. Rabiz or not, what matters is he is HAROUT. Granted, the modulation of his voice detracts from his authenticity as a singer of Armenian melodies, yet to me what seperates Harout -and others- from the genre of Rabiz is not his vocal delivery or social status, but one thing and only one thing: Harout sings ARMENIAN music, while the musical structure of the majority of Rabiz singers bears outside influence, and most of the times, isn't Armenian at all (be it Russian pop, Arabic etc.) Your music -in composition- is either Armenian, or it's not. I hope you see what I mean. Edited September 14, 2006 by Zartonk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted September 14, 2006 Report Share Posted September 14, 2006 after we figure out what/who rabiz is, can we discuss what/who is rabiznyak? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayemyes Posted September 15, 2006 Report Share Posted September 15, 2006 Hyem jan, you made me come back... Only because two singers have a history of singing melancholy songs does not mean they are both rabiz. And BTW l have no problem with such catagorization; there is only good music and all else. If Harout is labeled rabiz, that's great, as he is the epitomy of the armenian pop star and hs the most danceable tunes this side of a traditional wedding ensemble. Rabiz or not, what matters is he is HAROUT. Granted, the modulation of his voice detracts from his authenticity as a singer of Armenian melodies, yet to me what seperates Harout -and others- from the genre of Rabiz is not his vocal delivery or social status, but one thing and only one thing: Harout sings ARMENIAN music, while the musical structure of the majority of Rabiz singers bears outside influence, and most of the times, isn't Armenian at all (be it Russian pop, Arabic etc.) Your music -in composition- is either Armenian, or it's not. I hope you see what I mean. welcome back lol well music is not only described by its melody nor by its lyrics, nor both...its described as a whole and takes into consideration the melody, lyrics, instruments used, voice quality and effects, etc. etc. harout's music most of the time sounds armenian yes, so does aram's or tata's (less but still)...in fact, aram i would say uses the most armenian instruments in his music...maybe cuz he can afford it but thats another story...howeever, like i said before, harout modulates his voice in a way more prolonged manner than the others and that is very oriental, keep in mind harout lived in lebanon for years...for me, he's not a different superstar or legend or anything, i recognize his work in upgrading armenian music back then, but nowadays hes more of a show star than a singer, i mean count how many songs he actually SINGS in his shows...other than that, ur right, that being categorized as rabiz (the music that is) isn't bad at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eurocentric Posted September 15, 2006 Report Share Posted September 15, 2006 after we figure out what/who rabiz is, can we discuss what/who is rabiznyak? In regards to Harout P., some of his songs are indeed rabizoid but Harout as an artist is not rabiz, most of his discography isn't either. As for generic Armenian pop, I consider stuff like Aramo, Shoushan Petrosyan, Christine Pepelyan etc. to fall under that category. Time to listen to Arthur Meschyan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayemyes Posted September 15, 2006 Report Share Posted September 15, 2006 shoushan petrosian i agree its armenian pop, pure and simple, although she has some jazz stuff that have no armenian element whatsoever, but is still enjoyable, eventhough i wouldnt call it pure armenian christine pepelian is hard to categorize because her songs have some sort of melody that hits some armenian notes, but most of the time its more contemporary rather than armo pop aramo...no comment...except i dnt even consider his music because he cannot sing normally and always has to put in a weird accent that ruins the whole thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted September 15, 2006 Report Share Posted September 15, 2006 Arthur Meschyan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted September 15, 2006 Report Share Posted September 15, 2006 Time to listen to Arthur Meschyan hi, my name is harut... i'm a former depresnik... i used to listen to meschian in average 8 hours a day... now i'm cured... and you can be too... i have not listened to him for 6 months... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eurocentric Posted September 15, 2006 Report Share Posted September 15, 2006 That's irrelevant, the only requirement for pop to be 100% Armenian is for it to be sang by an Armenian in Armenian. It doesn't need to have Armenian elements. Pop is pop everywhere. Even for no pop, I consider Rouben Hakhverdyan an Armenian artist who performs and writes Armenian music. I cannot by any means say the same thing about Tata, Aram or Vle (lol). When I listen to their music I picture some towelhead... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eurocentric Posted September 15, 2006 Report Share Posted September 15, 2006 hi, my name is harut... i'm a former depresnik... i used to listen to meschian in average 8 hours a day... now i'm cured... and you can be too... i have not listened to him for 6 months... Actually I was too, it's a relapse. I'm going to be in Yerevan in a few weeks and then it will be a "groupovoy" relapse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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