Nakhidjevan Ethnic Cleanings History

[hosank]

quote]Most probaby, they are aware of armenian mentality.( A turk is a turk, they are evil.) [

 

as stupid as is what he says, there is truth in what he is saying. some armenians do not know how to argue intelligently. i often read comments simply dismissing a turk's turkishness. or pulling unintelligent insults. that is not the way and may even make us look like racists.

 

point is, we must counter the turks with superior and intelligent comebacks, not with low insults. i mean, come on, we are armenians we should be better then that.

 

L.sergiu, you are doing a good job at it, and i think more people should be like you. that way, zuruder can no longer even try to call us racists, because he will be the only racist on this forum.

 

այո անահիտ Հեշտ չէ բայց դեր պետք ե ընենք: you can't just get pissed off and then blow insults. we must soldier on.

 

see, before i used to get upset when turks would say such crewel things which basically were an insult to my family that they butchered, and to my grandfather that survived.

but bedk che nerhvis. you know why? because what he says is not true, and you and i both know it, all his allegations of us being the genociders and they the victims is obviously not true, you should laugh, as i, because what he says is not hurtful, but rediculous. it is maybe sad because it refers to his own turkish fascistic learnings of stupidity. never the less, we must always be here to correct him.

 

hey rumanian, what do you know about the Partidul România Mare (greater romania party.)? what do you think of them?

[zurderer]

First. I am quit fed up with turks like you who employ words without knowing their meaning. Every anti-turk person is considered a fascist.

 

And you are stupid who have no idea what you are talking. Becoming anti-turk, anti-armenian, anti-romanian, anti-jew is racism.Be littling other race or nations is what fasist do generally.

 

There is no nation on this goddam world that is more fascist than your "nation". If you want to know how a fascist behaves, take a look at your fellow citizens. Evidence is all around you. I will cease to "discuss" with you such things because you lack the ability to comprehend them and that is like talking to a wall. May all the walls excuse me from comparing them with an idiotic turk. You have proven yourself to be one.

 

what a sciencific crabs.

 

Second. I am fed up with turks like you who defend the ever unarmed bosnians/turks from all over the world. If there is ever an incident involving turks/tatars/bosnians they are always, and I mean always, unarmed. Have you even been to Bosnia to see what your "unarmed" bosnians did to the Serbian population? The bosnians started the almost endless wave of violence against the serbian population, but when they realise that by playing with fire you might actually burn, we begin to hear tales abut "poor unarmed little bosnians". If you seed war you will reap war. You turk/tatar/bosnians seem unable to understand that.

 

Bla, bla, It is a known fact, Serbs have the army. So dont try to change fact. It is also true, serbs did not attack only bosniaks, but croats, albanians and others. I should also add, compared with serbs, bosniaks are angels.

What, for God's sake are they (we) supposed to do in the face of savage warmonger barbarians who want to bash your skull to the nearest wall just because you are different?

 

what the hell are you talking? It is serbs who made srebrenija. After 100 year, you can try to change history. For know, History is a known fact.

Third. My Serbian friend is from Vojvodina. That's where most of the Serbian population (that has had conflicts with turkish allies in the past) was relocated. Unlike you,h e is very documented about the attrocities commited against the Serbian population before the war began. He is not a cetnik and you don't even know what beeing a "cetnik" means in the first place. Because bosnians were busy butchering Serbians in the past, they shouldn't be surprised when they are "awarded" for their bloodlust.

 

 

Why do you think the word "turk" is an insult?

 

LOL. I dont think that it is insult. It is your racism friend.

 

You invaded balkans and called every honorable balkanian as chetnik.

 

No, I only call serbian fasist as chetnik. I should add Infact all world call serbian fasist as chetnik. why dont you think before talk? after wasting words with stupid questions, now you are wasting them with stupid remarks.

 

errr? are you retarded? where in my post did i talk about racism?

your putting words in my mouth...

 

Realy, I am not aware of it. I am putting which words to your mouth? If I remember true, It is you accusing me without any real reason.

 

point is, we must counter the turks with superior and intelligent comebacks, not with low insults. i mean, come on, we are armenians we should be better then that.

 

armenian superiorty? come on, you are better than turks.

 

L.sergiu, you are doing a good job at it, and i think more people should be like you. that way, zuruder can no longer even try to call us racists, because he will be the only racist on this forum.

 

Lol, firstly you are talking about intelligence, than now you see this sergiu intelligent. (I think you dont know meaning of intelligent, come onnnn you are armenians. ) By the way, why do you call me racists? I am curious where did I say racist remarks?

[Takoush]

You invaded balkans and called every honorable balkanian as chetnik.

You are sherefsiz genocider.

You do not have incorporeal permission to discuss the landowners.

Յովհաննէս ճան;

 

Լաւ ըսիր այս իշուն տեղը դրիր; բայց իր ցեղին զաւակն է ի՞նչ կրնանք դուն կամ ես ընել: Ասոնք մարդ ըլլալիք չունին, բայց հանցաւորը իրենք չեն միայն, հանցաւորը Եւրոպացին, Ա մերիկացին եւ մանաւանդ Հրէաստանն է որ իրենց մարդու տեղ կը դնէ հաճախ եւ մանաւանդ այժմ Հրէաստանը որ լիովին կ՚ աչակցի եւ կը քաչալերէ Թուրքիոյ ստախօսութիւններուն:

 

Ցաւալի է:

[shaunt]

Hellektor, even if we put aside the moral considerations, and consider the practical consequences of your proposed actions, it would be political folly to do what you have suggested.

[GevorgP]

USA Congress will pass the bill; on the Armenian Genocide.

 

The growing instability in Iraq and collapse of USA projections on creating pro-American Iraqi government, within reasonable cost and timeframe, failed. Because America wanted do it without breaking it into three states, Kurdish Sunni and Shia; to comfort Turkey national interests.

 

This radically changed political situation, during recent years, in USA.

 

USA, using its military superiority, rapidly occupied the country and apparently it was the most easy; first part of their plan.

 

But now they are unable (mission impossible) accomplish the second part of their plan, and the end is apparent, that way USA will lose the war. Because, after occupying the country, when Americans are located inside, in large numbers, throughout Iraq, they can not use their only advantage; mass destruction weapons.

 

Meanwhile the Iraqi's have the most effective military means in that situation; the "working weapons", suicide bombers (PS. – Christians don't have); who can not be attacked by the US mass destruction weapons, used at the start, to win Sadam. In this situation the bombardiers, helicopters artillery, tanks etc. are useless, most of time.

 

USA voter is aware that the budget surplus under Clinton's presidency, now is changed to progressively growing deficit, and the dollar; the US most effective political and military tool is gradually becoming a second grade currency.

 

This is why democrats won the elections; voters want to return the USA army home, reduce the budget deficit, promote industrial growth and, at the same time, ensure that US strategic interests in the Middle East are not affected. Democrats are patriots of their country, therefore their primary goal is not to maintain Iraq's territorial integrity; just to accommodate Turkey's national interests at any cost to USA.

 

I guess, to achieve the goals above US may act this way:

 

Support Kurds to create a loyal to US Kurdish state that will promote USA interests in the Middle East. Relocate military bases from Turkey to Kurdistan, and then return the army home. Preliminarily, of cause, ensuring that; most of the Iraqi oil reserves are controlled by Kurds.

 

Then expel Turkey form NATO, because USA will have several opportunities for locating military bases in the region; Kurdistan, Georgia and perhaps in the Sunni state.

 

Because in case of Kurdistan-Turkey confrontation, in this new situation, USA will be enforced to support Kurds. Therefore to justify the action above and ensure next steps, USA congress, in advance, needs to pass the bill; on the Armenian Genocide. Which, of cause, will serve as a legal and justifiable argument for the future steps.

 

Letting (not preventing) Kurds and others break down Turkey; for achieving independence and getting free from Turkey oppression. And in doing this America will enjoy, almost world wide support; because the action will help the justice to prevail.

 

Regards,

 

GevorgP

Edited January 14, 2007 by GevorgP

[hosank]

armenian superiority?..unless your english is terrible, you must have known that that is not what i said.

 

No, I only call serbian fasist as chetnik. I should add Infact all world call serbian fasist as chetnik. why dont you think before talk? after wasting words with stupid questions, now you are wasting them with stupid remarks.

 

i find it funny that the guy who lives under what most experts in political science would generally agree as a PSEUDO-FASCISTIC state has called just about every other nationality (but himself) a fascist.

 

see, bosnians don't need to be armed, because they know they have turkey behind them. infact, why is there conflict in the balklans? turks. turks created dessent between croats and serbs, turks forceconverted bosnians and albanians, inslaved greeks macedonians, romanians and bulgarians. why is there conflict in the caucasus? hmm...chechens are tatars-so..turks, georgian ossetians are also ottoman converted turks, azeris.turks...ottoman empire...genocide...

what else..oh yes, irak, palestine, egypt...all because of turkey!

[Johannes]

Some ignorants,

You are the origin of all problems from Balkans to Caucasus.

When you invade a country, you that act as ''fetih'' (opening). Yes it is opening of permanently massacres, ethnic cleanings, and creation of problems between nations. Then if any one try to defend, you call him as chete, yan kesidji, terrorist. The biggest terror you exert on peoples you invaded.

[Johannes]

When you invade a country, you name that act as ''fetih'' (opening).

You should apologize the Anatolian Hellens, the Armenians, the Assyrians, the Arabs, the Georgians, the Lazes, the Greeks, the Macedonians-Bulgarians, the serbohorvats (including the bosnians), the Albanians, the Romanians, the Ruthens, the Slovens, and many others, because of you turkish occupation, and because of barbaric behaviour, and because of turkish way of ethnic cleanings, by abducting the kids and women, and simply by the killing.

therefore if serbs have problems with bosnians and Albanians, you are the reason. You took from serbs and gave to albanians. Those are realities. Any honorable can research and find the truth.

[Johannes]

Before christians, the muslimized local nations are your victims. Tchetchens, the tcherkezes, the Albanians and the Bosnians the laz people.

They were living with their neighbours, in the same cultural atmosphere.

You genocided their culture.

[Johannes]

Թագուհի ջան,

Անգլերէնս այդքան լաւ չէ որ, ըստ այնմ հասկանամ եւ պատասխանեմ:

Այս զրուցարանը հայի ասպարէզ է: կը նեղանամ երբ այսքան հայ, մի հատ թուրքի հետ գլուխ չեն ելլեր:

Մինչեւ այսօր չ'տեսայ, որ ան որեւէ յօդուած, կամ նիւթ արծարծէ: Ըրածը՝ անտեղի հարցումներով հայ երիտասարդներուն մտքերը պղտորել է, որպէսզի հայ ժողովուրդը կասկածի իր դատի արդարութեան:

Մեր ընելիքը, սա է.

-փոխանակ ինք մեզ խօսեցնէ իր հարցումներով, մենք պէտք է զինք խօսեցնենք եւ նեղը դնենք մեր հարցումներով:

[GevorgP]

Turkey is attempting to disrupt Genocide recognition process.

 

Several years ago Turkey, perhaps, through establishing diplomatic relations with Armenia, could slow down the genocide recognition process. In past they had the best "know-how" and "new" technologies in the diplomatic and population reproduction "Industries". Although the "products" have not been of decent quality, they succeeded, at occupying countries, using the "competitive advantages".

 

At that point they thought Turkey can prevent Genocide recognition process even without easing down, a little bit, the pressure exerted on RoA. The hatred against Armenians prevented them to set the "diplomatic trap" for RoA; which could assist them to declare that the Genocide issue is a Turkey – Armenia bilateral problem and only the two countries should discuss and "settle" it during coming "centuries". And it could enable US president Bush to prevent the Genocide recognition by USA using the "strong" argument against the US democrats, who does not uphold Turkey strategic interests at any cost to USA.

 

Now, this is probably first time, Turkey suffered a prominent crackdown in diplomatic area and therefore needs to change the planned tactics.

 

Therefore they are going quickly establish diplomatic or some other contacts with RoA, to prevent the impending danger of the Genocide recognition by USA.

 

This week Armenian mass media is repeatedly showing interviews of the Turkish and Armenian representatives: businessman and political analysts. Who, urged by US Republicans, are talking about quickly opening Turkey-Armenian border, establishing joint trade zones and therefore forming a Turkish-Armenian state commission to organize it.

 

Later on they will claim that the Genocide issue should be discussed by the commission, even if it was not, originally, included in the commission's agenda. So Turks need to have the commission to be formed and functioning before the bill is accepted by USA.

 

This is why RoA must do its best to reject establishing any Armenia-Turkey joint commission, until the Genocide bill is accepted by USA.

 

Dear Forum Members,

 

What do you think about this?

 

Regards,

 

GevorgP

[hosank]

իրավունք ունիս

[GevorgP]

Turkey "tolerates" historical Christian monuments – churches but; without their crosses.

 

Turkey's last move to show up the naive Christian democracies worldwide that now they become "civilized" proponents of inter-religious tolerance.

Sure they are; but with a "small" exception, Turks think that the churches like Christians/Armenians are safe without their "parts" at the top; that is, as usual, Turks can tolerate decapitated ones.

Turks renovated historical Akhtamar 'Sacred Cross" Armenian-Christian Church except the cross at the top; ensuring that in near future, nothing will prevent them to convert it to mosque, as they have done with hundreds of Western Armenia churches.

 

Therefore:

 

RoA delegation must reject Turkey's invitation to take part at the opening ceremony of the Akhtamar 'Sacred Cross" (Surb Khach) Church; because without the cross it is not historical Armenian Church; it is a "poor" candidate of another mosque.

 

Regards,

 

 

 

GevorgP

 

 

 

 

Edited March 24, 2007 by GevorgP

[neko]

RoA delegation must reject Turkey's invitation to take part at the opening ceremony of the Akhtamar 'Sacred Cross" (Surb Khach) Church; because without the cross it is not historical Armenian Church; it is a "poor" candidate of another mosque.

 

Another moron.

[Johannes]

Մորոնը դու ես:

Խաչ մը զետեղելը մերժեցին:

[GevorgP]

Another moron.

 

Great!

 

You showed up your hatred against me and the rest of Armenians:

 

Because …

 

I wrote in my post; (you quoted it):

 

Turkey's last move to show up the naive Christian democracies worldwide that now they become "civilized" proponents of inter-religious tolerance.

Sure they are; but with a "small" exception, Turks think that the churches like Christians/Armenians are safe without their "parts" at the top; that is, as usual, Turks can tolerate only decapitated ones.

 

Turks renovated historical Akhtamar "Sacred Cross" Armenian-Christian Church except the cross at the top; ensuring that in near future, nothing will prevent them to convert it to mosque, as they have done with hundreds of Western Armenia churches.

 

You answered:

"Another moron"

 

That is my statement that the churches should have a cross at its top is a silly one for such an intellectual like "you" (it).

 

I guess you are sure that the world considers Turks and their proponents most wise people in the earth therefore the Jews and Armenians are in 2-nd and 3-rd places. So you are not moron, the qualifying word for you is not conceived yet (but still your English is the best among wolves).

 

Zurderer is able to think, and you can write in English his thoughts. Together you can act as one in-dependent forum member.

 

Please give this to Zurderer to read.

Edited March 25, 2007 by GevorgP

[MadArmo]

Great!

 

You showed up your hatred against me and the rest of Armenians:

 

Because …

 

I wrote in my post; (you quoted it):

 

Turkey's last move to show up the naive Christian democracies worldwide that now they become "civilized" proponents of inter-religious tolerance.

Sure they are; but with a "small" exception, Turks think that the churches like Christians/Armenians are safe without their "parts" at the top; that is, as usual, Turks can tolerate only decapitated ones.

 

Turks renovated historical Akhtamar "Sacred Cross" Armenian-Christian Church except the cross at the top; ensuring that in near future, nothing will prevent them to convert it to mosque, as they have done with hundreds of Western Armenia churches.

 

You answered:

"Another moron"

 

That is my statement that the churches should have a cross at its top is a silly one for such an intellectual like "you" (it).

 

I guess you are sure that the world considers Turks and their proponents most wise people in the earth therefore the Jews and Armenians are in 2-nd and 3-rd places. So you are not moron, the qualifying word for you is not conceived yet (but still your English is the best among wolves).

 

Zurderer is able to think, and you can write in English his thoughts. Together you can act as one in-dependent forum member.

 

Please give this to Zurderer to read; he can tell you what to write in English.

 

 

 

Morons !? That's an off handed compliment if they were to take it... Anything else would be considered as an oxymoron.

 

The cross represented christian house of worship, Armenian church domes are known for it... Not to have it is a grave misrepresantation or futile attempts to make ridiculous amends !

 

 

 

Armenians answer the call !

 

 

 

 

[zurderer]

Well, Zurderer is able to think, and you can write in English his thoughts. Together you can act as one in-dependent forum member.

 

Please give this to Zurderer to read; he can tell you what to write in English.

 

 

 

[hosank]

Together you can act as one in-dependent forum member.

 

you must go too far, INDEPENDENT is a harsh word, you must understand that behind the project, we do not only have zurderer and neko, but the whole of the turkish state. do you think zurderer learned to think on his own in a post-attaturk turkey? (or even a pre-attaturk turkey for that matter), no obviously, he has a government ministry telling him what to think, and another teaching neko how to spell

[GevorgP]

 

you must go too far, INDEPENDENT is a harsh word, you must understand that behind the project, we do not only have zurderer and neko, but the whole of the turkish state. do you think zurderer learned to think on his own in a post-attaturk turkey? (or even a pre-attaturk turkey for that matter), no obviously, he has a government ministry telling him what to think, and another teaching neko how to spell

 

The word "In-dependent" – means state of being in dependency. So "in-dependant"; as opposed to the word IDEPENDENT, you know, has the opposite meaning.

 

As refers to the rest of your post I agree;

 

On our side I don't see much consistent, organized, professional and coordinated effort to confront the Turkish manipulations of Armenia related historical facts, events and their interpretations within Armenian www.hyeform.com website. Therefore sometimes Turks are able to show up their barbarian acts against us, to the rest of world, in a skewed mirror; as an outstanding friendly gesture towards Armenia/Armenians.

 

You are right some of the Turkish guys are attending this forum as regular employees, while we are visiting it and discussing vital issues, casually.

 

 

(MadArmo @ Mar 24, 2007)

 

Morons !? That's an off handed compliment if they were to take it... Anything else would be considered as an oxymoron.

 

The cross represented christian house of worship, Armenian church domes are known for it... Not to have it is a grave misrepresantation or futile attempts to make ridiculous amends !

 

 

Armenians answer the call !

 

Agree!!! It is great mix of ox & moron.

 

 

 

 

Edited March 29, 2007 by GevorgP

[zurderer]

neko how much money do you get from bosses?

 

I should admit, It is difficult to do my job at this forum.. You are soo intelligent guys. You quickly understand who I am. They should give me extra money.

 

[MadArmo]

neko how much money do you get from bosses?

 

I should admit, It is difficult to do my job at this forum.. You are soo intelligent guys. You quickly understand who I am. They should give me extra money.

 

 

Your such a cynical slippery schmuck !

 

It was not long ago to wipe your arse with Turkish lira because it was cost effective in Turkey, Toilet paper was much more expensive to use... Has much has changed in your false economy? would you like it in Turkish lira ? remember zero's don't add up !

 

 

 

 

 

 

[hosank]

neko how much money do you get from bosses?

 

I should admit, It is difficult to do my job at this forum.. You are soo intelligent guys. You quickly understand who I am. They should give me extra money.

 

extra money? you should be laid off for doing such a poor job at hiding your identity

[Takoush]

Another moron.

My friend spoke the absolute truth. What's the matter he spoke too much of the truth that you couldn't digest????

 

 

 

 

[Takoush]

Turkey "tolerates" historical Christian monuments – churches but; without their crosses.

 

Turkey's last move to show up the naive Christian democracies worldwide that now they become "civilized" proponents of inter-religious tolerance.

Sure they are; but with a "small" exception, Turks think that the churches like Christians/Armenians are safe without their "parts" at the top; that is, as usual, Turks can tolerate decapitated ones.

 

Because that's what they did throughout history ever since the Mongolian Turks showed up since the 12th century coming from Mongolia to our Armenian Highlands. They have decapitated a million and a half plus Armenian's heads and it is normal for them to decapitate our Akhtamar Church's 'Sacred Cross'.

 

 

Turks renovated historical Akhtamar 'Sacred Cross" Armenian-Christian Church except the cross at the top; ensuring that in near future, nothing will prevent them to convert it to mosque, as they have done with hundreds of Western Armenia churches.

 

 

And so they have converted our vast churches to either mosques or "axors" barns where they have kept their animals.

 

 

Therefore:

RoA delegation must reject Turkey's invitation to take part at the opening ceremony of the Akhtamar 'Sacred Cross" (Surb Khach) Church; because without the cross it is not historical Armenian Church; it is a "poor" candidate of another mosque.

Regards,

 

GevorgP

 

 

Absolute truth!!!!!!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited April 2, 2007 by Anahid Takouhi