April 24th. Holocaust Day?

[skhara]

I saw this posted elsewhere and also, got this in my e-mail inbox.

 

I have to say folks that I find myself highly in agreement with the author of this letter. Some who've read my posts probably realize that this thing has been bugging me for some time now.

 

The Armenian Genocide, no Holocaust, has nothing to do with Jew vs Nazis relationships, and now even "Al-Qaeda"?

 

Does the Armenian Genocide recognition have to be aligned with the State Departments and the Zionists interest? Is that absolutely necessary?

 

Why do Armenian organisers give a platform of the Armenian Genocide to zionists to spread their anti-Muslim and "New World Order" propagandas; to spin and manipulate and bring up their absurd notion of "Al-Qaeda"?

 

Most of you folks know that the zionists are actually lobbying of behalf of Turks. How is the same ideology supporting Turks and Armenians at the same time? How does that make sense?

 

I consider the things brought up bellow as deliberate "lip service", and a distraction. I also consider it an insult to the intelligence of the Armenian people, and an insult to honesty and integrity.

 

 

April 24 - Has Become Holocaust Remembrance Day for Jews

 

Here in New York City we had yet another counterproductive and insulting Armenian Genocide commemoration. Last Sunday's April 24 event within Saint Vardan's Kavoukjian auditorium was a complete and utter embarrassment for me as an Armenian. The event in question resembled more of a Jewish holocaust festival than anything else. Observing various Zionists spewing their self-serving garbage at our solemn gathering was a severe insult to the memory of our martyred victims as well. It seems as if our yearly commemoration events here in New York City are digressing to a point that it now resembles a holocaust remembrance days for Jews (further reading of this letter will reveal to you that I mean this both metaphorically and literally). What are the organizers of these events thinking? Where to even begin? With the following, I will attempt to outline what made the most impression upon me during last Sunday's event and share with you some of my personal thoughts regarding these very important community matters.

 

I would like to begin with Annie Totah, one of the guest speakers:

 

This is the "Armenian" who is married to a Jew, who converted to Judaism, and who is raising her children as Jews. This aloof, condescending, self-hating person in question is allowed to speak on behalf of Armenians within Washington DC as a representative of the Armenian Assembly - the State Department's very own lap dogs within the Armenian community. This person's presence alone was an affront to all self-respecting Armenians.

 

Political commentator and scholar Israel Charney:

 

Much like James Russell's political rampage several years ago at an April 24 commemorative event at Times Square, Israel Charney more-or-less repeated and embellished the same outlandish claim that Islamic Jihad was the fundamental cause of the Armenian Genocide. He also went on to somehow tie the Armenian tragedy with "Al-Qaeda" and the current so-called "war on terror." How obvious. How typical of these people. How convenient of Israel Charney to tie his nation's problems with ours. Instead of him being heckled off stage this man was given a rousing applause by Armenians. Frankly speaking, I was surprised at Israel Charney's actions for I knew him to be a tireless humanitarian advocate and not a manipulating Zionist.

 

Film producer Andrew Goldberg:

 

This person had the audacity to start his speech with a Hebrew prayer at an Armenian gathering within an Armenian Cathedral complex. He then went on to shamelessly state: "In spirit of Jesus Christ, I, as a Jew, ask you to forgive your enemies, the Turks..."

 

Who is this foreigner in our midst telling us to forgive the unrepentant Turk? Have Turks been punished for their crimes against humanity? Have Turks paid blood money? Have Turks returned their stolen possessions? Have Turks returned occupied Armenians lands? The nation of Turkey today continues to act as aggressors against the Armenian Republic. Has Andrew's kin forgiven Nazis? Has his kind been willing to sit down with Nazis in order to discuss the historical validity of the so-called Jewish holocaust? Last I checked anyone who even attempts to question the holy holocaust is imprisoned. Wasn't Israel founded upon the bones of native Palestinian Arabs against the wished of the Arab world? Who is this anti-Christ reciting Hebrew prayers and insinuating that Christ was a Jew?

 

Jews need to refrain from preaching to us about God, forgiveness or tolerance.

 

Andrew Goldberg needs to know that Christ was none other than God incarnate manifested in Palestine in order to destroy the House of Israel - the temple of Satan, as Christ himself called it. As a matter of fact, Christianity has much more in common with Buddhism, Islam and Zoroastrianism than with traditional Judaism. But this is a rather complex topic I rather not get into at this time. Nonetheless, is Andrew Goldberg, "in spirit of Jesus Christ, as a Jew," willing to denounce the vulgar and inflammatory anti-Christian and anti-Goy passages containing with Judaism's most sacred literature, the Talmud? Is he willing to denounce the Zionist State of Israel? Better yet, is Andrew Goldberg willing to forgive avowed Nazis?

 

I careless about the documentary films this man has produced. In my opinion, within the world of real politic, it was a waste of our time and money. The bottom line is: The Armenian Genocide is not being recognized today due to geo-political reasons and formulations in America and not because we Armenians have not been able to convince the American public about the historical facts of our Genocide. Nations know full well what occurred to the Armenians of the Ottoman Empire some ninety years ago. The cold reality is that if it suites the purpose of the US State Department, Jewish lobbying groups and the Jewish run media, the American government would even go as far as to fabricate a genocide to sell to the public, as they recently did with Bosnia and Kosovo.

 

Nonetheless, I yet have to see a so-called documentary about the so-called Jewish holocaust, the Bosnian genocide, the Rwandan genocide, the Darfur genocide, etc, that also features the "other side" of the story. For once, I would like to see an "objective" and "balanced" reporting of any genocide other than the Armenian Genocide. Is Andrew Goldberg willing to produce a "balanced" documentary regarding the so-called Jewish holocaust? Heck, if he'll agree, I'll personally take charge of the fund raising committee for him. Needless to say, our Genocide recognition campaign within America is going no where and people like Andrew Goldberg are doing us no favors. Yet these anti-Armenian Zionists get their asses kissed by gullible Armenians every time they drop their pants.

 

How stupid and gullible can we Armenians be? Why do we allow these people to drag us into their universal mess?

 

Wake up Armenians: The Armenian Genocide has absolutely nothing to do with Hitler; it has nothing to do with the Nazis; it has nothing to do with Al-Qaeda; it has nothing to do with Islamic fundamentalism; it has nothing to do with Jihad; it has nothing to do with the so-called Jewish holocaust. As a matter of fact, our April 24 commemoration events should have nothing to do with Jews nor should our community leaders allow Zionists to spew their hate and falsehoods during these events from upon our podiums. And, no, Hitler never made that infamous comment about "Who today remembers the Armenians." That's a lie as well.

 

Reminder to all: Our national problems have always been Turkic, not Islamic. And our political obstacles have always been Judaic not Turkic.

 

The Republic of Armenia today has very cordial and strategic ties with various Islamic nations, including the Islamic Republic of Iran. Therefore, it is unethical, unwise and counterproductive for the Armenian nation to put an Islamic face upon the Armenian Genocide. As such, it is detrimental to Armenian interests to allow Jews to represent our case in the world. All the self-described and self-appointed diplomats and leaders within our community who think there are playing politics by allowing Jews and their lackeys to represent Armenian interests are precisely the reason why our Hai Tad within America has gotten nowhere.

 

The reality is that the Armenian Genocide was masterminded and executed by genocidal pan-Turkists and "Donme" Jews within the Ottoman Empire. Yes, it is well known that the Muslim population within the Ottoman Empire was enticed to murder Christian Armenians. However, Islam per say, had nothing to do with the planning of the Armenian Genocide or the diabolical reasons behind it. As a matter of fact, during the time period in question various Islamic nations such as Egypt, Iran, Syria, Palestine and Lebanon readily accepted Armenian refugees into their nations. We Armenians remain grateful to these nations to this day.

 

We must only speak of the Jew in a good light, lest we get branded as Nazis and anti-Semites.

 

Having said that, I would like to state that these Zionists within our midst take every opportunity to remind us that Henry Morgenthau was a Jew, yet they conveniently neglect to inform us that so were majority of the genocidal Young Turks. They take the opportunity to tell us that Armin Wagner was a Jew, without mentioning the fact that so was Kemal Ataturk. They also fail to mention that the very founding fathers of the Zionist State of Israel, Zabotinski and Herzl, openly and enthusiastically supported the genocidal agenda of the Turks against the Armenians. They also fail to mention that without the Jewish lobby and media within America Turks are powerless against Armenians.

 

The reality is that these Zionists have stolen our lands in Jerusalem, they attack at our God, clergy and Church on a regular basis, they make close alliances with our enemies and they actively pursue anti-Armenian policies within governing circles of all major capitols of the western world. The Zionist run administration with Washington DC has even portrayed overt hostility towards our fledgling republic. Moreover, these people have even supported Azerbaijani aggression against Armenians of Nagorno Karabakh. And it is also well known that every single major Jewish organization in existence today is openly pro-Turkish and, as a result, anti-Armenian. Yet, we Armenians continue to give these people our political platforms from which they continue to essentially spit on us.

 

On a side note: As far as I'm concerned the only reason why a high ranking Rabbi from Israel was sent to Yerevan several months ago was to do damage control and defuse rising tension within Armenia towards Jews. It is quite obvious that organized Jewry has begun to see that the Armenian nation has begun to turn against them for very valid reasons. Since they are isolated, desperate and can not afford to loose anymore friends in the world, they periodically attempt to give us Armenians lip service. Nonetheless, Jewish national policy regarding Armenians have not changed one bit. And these people wonder where "anti-Semitism" comes from.

 

I cite the following adage: Anti-Semitism is a disease that one catches from Jews.

 

I must also point out that the Armenian organizers of these commemoration events are either clueless idiots or self-hating traitors, or perhaps a combination of the aforementioned two. What else does the nation of Israel need to do to convince Armenians of their antagonistic intentions? What is it going to take to make Armenians realize that organized Jewry will never be a friend to the Armenian nation, the bombing of Yerevan by the IDF? If we hope to have any credibility within the eyes of the international public we Armenians need to keep our political issue far away from Jews as possible. We Armenians must at all costs refrain from recruiting our enemies to do our bidding. Sadly, however, it seems to me that we Armenians must first designate who our enemies are. Thus far, we have been unable to do so. And we wonder why our Hai Tad has gotten no where.

 

By its very nature organized Jewry can not be a friend of the Armenian nation.

 

Which brings me to the following question: Since when has April 24 been holocaust remembrance day for Jews? I am sure that a vast majority of Armenians have not even noticed this but recently it has been a curious trend within Jewish circles to commemorate their so-called holocaust on April 24. Don't believe me? Take a look at the following web-links:

 

**Various Links of Jewish Holocaust commemoration activities on April 24th, 2006**

 

The above is just a sampling, there are many more such sites.

 

Yes folks, these people are now commemorating their so-called holocaust on April 24. And we only have your community leaders to thank, because I can't blame the Jews for doing what they do best. If these people can help it, there will never be a sad date in world history that would not prominently feature the ever-oppressed Jew. These people are not merely satisfied with their hateful actions against Armenians, now they have even begun to steal and alter our Genocide remembrance date and give it an unmistakable Jewish face. The Jewish nation is indeed comprised of professional victims, as a result, the multi-billion dollar holocaust industry must reign supreme within the western world. Seeing what these people do to their loyal Armenian friends, I would hate to imagine what they are capable of doing to their opposition. In this respect, I truly feel bad for the Palestinians and Germans.

 

When will Armenians wake up?

 

If you understand my concerns regarding this topic please feel free to send this email to your friends. Perhaps if our incompetent community leaders are made to take note, future commemorative events will not blaspheme our God, undermine our national interests and insult the memory of our martyred victims by the presence of manipulative Zionists. If interested, please look into the following web-links that deal with the anti-Armenian, anti-Christian policies of the Jewish nation worldwide, and the Zionist involvement within the Armenian genocide:

 

**Various links and sources**

[hayemyes]

Well as usual, i might be repeating myself, but i can conclude one single thing from all this which is, since it's surely armenians who invited these people to talk at this event, we still haven't lost our love for non-armenians, and we have the impression we cannot live without other countries, whether it be russians, arabs, jews, americans, or anything else...

 

 

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Long quote removed. --Sip

Edited April 30, 2006 by Sip

[Z'areh]

Naahhhh! I smell a rat!!

 

 

The above post is an attempt in expressing legitimate concerns about the nature of the commemoration of the Armenian Genocide. I say just an attempt because the article is full of BS.

 

I wasn't there so I cannot opinionate on a personal level, but just based on reading the above post one can easily notice that this guy has some deep seeded issues that he needs to resolve, any legitimacy that he might have had just vanishes because of it.

 

This year, because of Jewish calendar, April 24 coincided with the Jewish commemoration of the Holocaust, they call it yom hashoah. Some years it’s before and some years it’s after April 24.

 

There were commemorations throughout the world, because of it perhaps the Armenians hosted these people to express the two nations' suffering together. I don't know, I wasn't there. this is just an idea.

 

 

This guy’s mental instability unravels when he resorts to stupidities such as: "Andrew Goldberg needs to know that Christ was none other than God incarnate manifested in Palestine in order to destroy the House of Israel - the temple of Satan, as Christ himself called it" This makes it quite clear that he is not talking about the genocide anymore but simply spewing out hatred.

 

Does a mentally unstable person advance his cause, if advancement of the Genocide cause is the issue here, when he utters: "Is Andrew Goldberg willing to produce a "balanced" documentary regarding the so-called Jewish holocaust? " the answer is a definite NO.

 

Here this so-called Armenian falls into his own trap and contradictions , when he ceaselessly compares the Armenian issue with the Jewish one and then says: "Wake up Armenians: The Armenian Genocide has absolutely nothing to do with Hitler; it has nothing to do with the Nazis;the so-called Jewish holocaust.” Because in his sick mind there was no Jewish Holocaust, therefore he cannot bring himself to “compare” the both genocides.

 

His deep hatred of the Jews has turned Hitler into an hero in this troubled head, so much so that he is willing to sacrifice what is a powerful political declaration. To take away the legitimacy of the Jewish Holocaust he has to absolve Hitler from the Armenian declaration therefore he says: "And, no, Hitler never made that infamous comment about "Who today remembers the Armenians." That's a lie as well." Thus, Hitler cannot be accused of committing a Jewish Genocide.

 

And finally, says he: "We Armenians must at all costs refrain from recruiting our enemies to do our bidding. Sadly, however, it seems to me that we Armenians must first designate who our enemies are. Thus far, we have been unable to do so."

 

Ann Frankestein, could not have said it better!

 

 

Who the enemy is in this person's imaginations? not the Turk that's for sure.

 

 

 

Skhara, please do not post such garbage a la Arto Vartanian in this Forum.

[skhara]

Personal opinions/hostilities aside, this is a political thing, and I do agree in the overall political sense.

When it gets to the mention of "Al-Qaeda" then it gets beyond ridiculous. And using the Armenian Genocide platform to spread the propaganda of that which has not and never had anything do with Armenians is, if I were to say foolish, it would be an understatement.

 

Thanks for your opinion, anyway.

[Z'areh]

Personal opinions/hostilities aside, this is a political thing, and I do agree in the overall political sense.

When it gets to the mention of "Al-Qaeda" then it gets beyond ridiculous. And using the Armenian Genocide platform to spread the propaganda of that which has not and never had anything do with Armenians is, if I were to say foolish, it would be an understatement.

 

Thanks for your opinion, anyway.

 

 

I am glad that you can actually find an "overall political sense" in this article. All I see is an opportunity to use the "Armenian" factor for other means, it's a cowardly act of hijacking the Armeian name. I guess that is what cowards do.

 

I agree with the ridiculousness of talking about Al-Qaida in Armenian genocide day. We can say so and talk about other things that bother us without reverting to chauvinism.

[Lev7]

I was there and I even posted a few videos in another thread. Overall, I did not see any of those things that the article mentioned, Chuck Schumer even referred to the AG as the Armenian Holocaust. I agree Israel Charny's speech went a little off topic, but still he made very valid points, actually he is the president of the International Association of Genocide Scholars and they all affirm the AG, isn't this enough, do we still need to bad mouth him?

 

Anyways, this Jew-hating bs needs to stop, we have to face it, they have a powerful lobby, powerful friends in Washington and have a big say in the media, so instead of showing anti-Semitic sentiments, we should show friendship, when will Armenians understand this? The minute they do, we will start winning!

 

Here are the videos:

 

Chuck Schumer's speech

 

Frank Pallone's speech

Edited April 29, 2006 by Lev7

[Verginne]

What idiocy. No one is trying to absolve Hitler of anything. That statement was never in reference to jews anyway, it was about Poles as Hitler was about to invade Poland. So cram it, you ridiculous liar.

 

It doesn't matter one way or the other if the quotation is authentic.

[Verginne]

I was there and I even posted a few videos in another thread. Overall, I did not see any of those things that the article mentioned, Chuck Schumer even referred to the AG as the Armenian Holocaust. I agree Israel Charny's speech went a little off topic, but still he made very valid points, actually he is the president of the International Association of Genocide Scholars and they all affirm the AG, isn't this enough, do we still need to bad mouth him?

 

Anyways, this Jew-hating bs needs to stop, we have to face it, they have a powerful lobby, powerful friends in Washington and have a big say in the media, so instead of showing anti-Semitic sentiments, we should show friendship, when will Armenians understand this? The minute they do, we will start winning!

 

Here are the videos:

 

Chuck Schumer's speech

 

Frank Pallone's speech

 

 

You can show friendship, be polite and nice all you want...it has been done for the past ninety-one years without results. Don't tell others how to handle the situation, however. It is sickening when one is accused of "anti-Semitism" for merely telling the truth and it is about time you realize that this is not going to stop until jews realize how harmful it is going to be for their image and reputation, especially when they are losing ALL of their friends and their crediblity now.

[gamavor]

"In spirit of Jesus Christ, I, as a Jew, ask you to forgive your enemies, the Turks..."

 

 

Clever! Translation!

 

I, as a Jew have every right not to forgive my enemies, but you as Christians should forgive my best buddies - the Turks!

 

As to the day of rememberance of Jewish Holocaust - the designated date was April 12. Initially it was the day of remembarence of all political prisoners of the German concentration camps. Slowlly but surelly the month of April was exproriated by the Jews as a month of commemoration of the Holocaust. Prity much like the jewelry stores at Fifth Avenue in New York. At the begining of the last century the street was divided as follows: 30% Jewish stores, 30% Armenian stores, 20% Italian stores and 10% Greeks. Nowdays, there is only one Armenian jewelry store left at Fifth Av. and no Italian and Greek stores survived. You may ask how come? Simple. During Christmas time Armenian, Greek and Italian stores are closed. The Jewish stores are open. During Yom Cipur, out of respect to their Jewish colleges Armenian, Italian and Greek stores are closed. Surprise! Jewish stores are still OPEN! So where all the customers go now? You got it?

[Lev7]

Clever! Translation!

 

I, as a Jew have every right not to forgive my enemies, but you as Christians should forgive my best buddies - the Turks!

 

As to the day of rememberance of Jewish Holocaust - the designated date was April 12. Initially it was the day of remembarence of all political prisoners of the German concentration camps. Slowlly but surelly the month of April was exproriated by the Jews as a month of commemoration of the Holocaust. Prity much like the jewelry stores at Fifth Avenue in New York. At the begining of the last century the street was divided as follows: 30% Jewish stores, 30% Armenian stores, 20% Italian stores and 10% Greeks. Nowdays, there is only one Armenian jewelry store left at Fifth Av. and no Italian and Greek stores survived. You may ask how come? Simple. During Christmas time Armenian, Greek and Italian stores are closed. The Jewish stores are open. During Yom Cipur, out of respect to their Jewish colleges Armenian, Italian and Greek stores are closed. Surprise! Jewish stores are still OPEN! So where all the customers go now? You got it?

 

so why are you blaming Jews, blame us for not being as smart as them lol

[Arpa]

so why are you blaming Jews, blame us for not being as smart as them lol

Smart?

Are we confusing “smartness” with “prostitution”?

Look up the dictionary definition.

Do you realize that some of the “smartest” people in history were whores?

Some of them even controlled the most powerful emperors. Some may have even have had empires of their own.

Yes.

Whores may, at times seem to be “smart” but they don’t make this world revolve. It is that humble Walmart cashier mother, trying to make a decent living that sustains this world.

“smart” whores may come and go, they will come and go, but we will stand by that decent “Walmart cashier, mother!!

Would you rather be as "smart" as a whore or a decent Walmart cashier mother of teenagers???

Edited April 30, 2006 by Arpa

[Lev7]

Smart?

Are we confusing “smartness” with “prostitution”?

Look up the dictionary definition.

Do you realize that some of the “smartest” people in history were whores?

Some of them even controlled the most powerful emperors. Some may have even have had empires of their own.

Yes.

Whores may, at times seem to be “smart” but they don’t make this world revolve. It is that humble Walmart cashier mother, trying to make a decent living that sustains this world.

“smart” whores may come and go, they will come and go, but we will stand by that decent “Walmart cashier, mother!!

Would you rather be as "smart" as a whore or a decent Walmart cashier mother of teenagers???

 

listen, all I am saying is that the energy and time you spend blaming Jews for all our problems you can spend to go forward. You are saying just because of two days the Jewish jewelry stores were open, all the other ones went out of business? That is ridiculous, the reason we went out of business because we never help eacht other, we are always jelous of each other and never can unite. Jews however are the total opposite, so when the time comes and we learn to do all those things, then maybe we can achieve the success and power that Jews have here in this country.

[Arpa]

listen, all I am saying is that the energy and time you spend blaming Jews for all our problems you can spend to go forward. You are saying just because of two days the Jewish jewelry stores were open, all the

LISTEN!!!

Can we leave those MK Hebes/Jews out of the picture and instead concentrate on OURs ??

After all .

When did our Paths coincide?

Except when Khorenatsi decided that Haik is co-incindental with that of Abram.

They have their Holocaust., May they sink in it.

Ours’ is the Big G….

Jews were "exterminated thousands of miles from their so caled "homeland"...

Compare that to our extermination in our OWN HOMELAND.

Enough of this bull jew/shit.

Let us show the world how much bigger our un-circumcized penis is!!

[vava]

It never ceases to amaze me how some Armenians can be so blinded by hatred. Deliberate discrimination is what led to our own Genocide - and yet some folks continue to spew hatred (disguised as opinions) and historical denialism. Isn't that what we're fighting against, after all?

[Lev7]

It never ceases to amaze me how some Armenians can be so blinded by hatred. Deliberate discrimination is what led to our own Genocide - and yet some folks continue to spew hatred (disguised as opinions) and historical denialism. Isn't that what we're fighting against, after all?

 

exactly vava, very well said, The sooner we all realize this the closer we will be to victory.

[Sip]

This whole discussion about Jews/Holocaust vs Armenians/Genocide is like someone hitting their head against the wall kicking and screaming about how "kleenex" is not a paper tissue, "coke" is not soda, or "jeep" is not an offroad vehicle. No matter how much one tries, those trademarks are established and pretty much universally understood.

 

So the question now is in what ways can one convey to the average person WHAT the Armenian Genoicde was. To follow on the examples above, if you want to convey to someone that a certain kind of vehicle is an offroad vehicle while at the same time trying to convince them jeep is not one, I personally don't think you are spending your time wisely.

[Armenian Highlander]

Excellent essay! I was there at the Armenian Genocide commemoration, I fully agree with the author of the essay.