Where Is Ali Suat?

[Azat]

See what you have done Yervant. You said few nice things about Extra and now she is in love with you...

[MosJan]

wow good for Extra at last - chmeranq tesanq ISkakan t@ghamard Extrayi kyanqum - tekus yev Vertual Kyanqum

 

:!: Extra jan it's only a joke janik don;t get Postal on me qaxtser jan

[ExtraHye]

wow good for Extra at last - chmeranq tesanq ISkakan t@ghamard Extrayi kyanqum - tekus yev Vertual Kyanqum

 

:!: Extra jan it's only a joke janik don;t get Postal on me qaxtser jan

No problemo I guess.

[phantom22]

Azat,

 

I may have been out-of-line alluding to personal information, but I was most definately not hallucinating. Send me a personal message through the Forum and I will explain the EXACT information that I am privy to.

 

 

Movses, I am guess you removed his post and mine. Thanks. Only if he knew anything about what he was talking about, but it was a perfect example of how he is hallucinating.

 

Ali, I will be honest and say I know very little about the genocide and cant comment however much of what you said above I remember a little differently.

 

In regards to your comments about your disappointment in the lack of info/discussion to all the developments of the Armenian-Turkish relationship, I share your disappointment. It is also very true that Armenia is living at very interesting times, probably the most interesting in the past 70-80 years, yet you will find hardly anything about that in this forum as well. We(including I) have had a good way of pushing fellow members out of the forum that we can learn from and today have become more of a chit chat place than anything else.

[phantom22]

Mosjan,

 

I beg to differ with you. It was not me who actually posted MJ's name in this forum, but the "darling" of the moderators Arpa. Arpa was the one who posted the MOST personal information last time, MJ's actual name. It was because Arpa was upset that Dr. Acemoglu had suddenly passed away. As a traditional physician who believed in Western medicine, he no doubt practiced what he preached on himself. Unfortunately, many physicians die as tragically as did the great Armenian hero, Murat Acemoglu.

 

 

since you have used the magic word - please -

for the second time his posting personal information on one of our old members MJ

MJ is no longer a member in our forum

[Yervant1]

awwww don't be upset with the guys!!! They wouldn't joke with you like that if they didn't like you.

Thanks for your caring.

[Yervant1]

See what you have done Yervant. You said few nice things about Extra and now she is in love with you...

What can I say, she's got skills.

[Azat]

Azat,

 

I may have been out-of-line alluding to personal information, but I was most definately not hallucinating. Send me a personal message through the Forum and I will explain the EXACT information that I am privy to.

no need

[phantom22]

Azat,

 

Then please do not throw out accusations that I am hallucinating.

 

 

no need

[Azat]

dude dont you have a hula dance classe or something to go to. talk about things you know about and not about things you know NOTHING about

[phantom22]

Azat,

 

You are baiting me to post what Mosjan will throw me out of the Forum for. I know EXACTLY what I was stating due to Arpa's transgression where he posted the name of a Forum member here. Once you have a name, it is quite simple to find bankruptcy records as it is a federal US activity.

 

 

dude dont you have a hula dance classe or something to go to. talk about things you know about and not about things you know NOTHING about

[vava]

Ok. Looks like this thread as been cleaned up a bit... good think IMO.

 

Now back to Ali. I dont think I was around the forum when you left, I did however go over some of your posts when I first joined the forum. You seem like a reasonable individual, and I'd like to welcome you back.

 

I hope your new 'visit' is more fruitful than the previous.

 

I'm not necessarily sure that it was completely necessary to give us the entire history of your HF experience, as it seems to have raised some contention amongst some of the membership. I'm sure that if you stick around, most of us who became members only after you left will be able to get to know you a bit better and understand your motivations, both for joining and leaving HF. In the meantime, welcome once more...

[aurguplu]

hi there again

 

1. aubepine: apology accepted. let us all please be as sensitive to eachothers' privacy as MosJan was to MJ's a few posts (hagarag's post) ago, and let us rely on factual, verifiable information rather than urban legends.

 

as for being careful about the websites you visit, may i humbly suggest you to adopt my attitude: all serious armies have unbelievable information gathering and processing resources and there simply is no way of avoiding them. i recall a spanish proverb by a mexican friend of mine that was uttered in an economic context but that applies equally well here: "el pejor vive mejor" (no guarantees for the spelling) i.e. "the smaller one lives better", which is to mean that if you are not that significant, and thank god i am not, the powers that be usually leave you alone, which only makes sense when you realise the sheer numbers of people who are using the internet and communicating with one another about every single topic under the sun. i first started to use the internet regularly in turkey late 1998-early 1999, and i have been to every kind of website that contains "sensitive" material, and not only on the armenian issue. i ordered copies of dadrian's history of the armenian genocide, touryan-miller's survivors, and what not, all through the internet, and not only did they all arrive in time shipshape, but also i was never persecuted or anything. when i was having my novice training in intelligence in the military we were told about the sheer impossibility to withhold publicly available information from the masses. so frankly speaking i wouldn't worry that much about the army and get on with my life. in all probability we are not talking about anything here that the army would not have us expected to do, and turkey has travelled way too long down the road to western standards of democracy for that sort of thing to cause the sort of trouble it caused fifteen or even ten years ago. so relax, if i may so.

 

2. vava: thanks. i felt the need to post that lengthy story about my decision to leave the forum because i felt i had to account for my absence, especially given the speculations, and that it was a necessity to post it to clear up any misunderstandings that may persist.

 

2. the community as a whole: i understand that that episode leading to my leaving the forum is interpreted differently by other members who were present then. i would appreciate if this topic were elaborated a bit and the members gave their account on how they saw the matter. i see it a necessity that misunderstandings are eliminated as much as possible so that meaningful discussion can take place.

 

meanwhile i must remind forum members that i will not be able to post as frequently as i used to four years ago due to that never ending story that has to end and that soon (my PhD). i expect to be able, however, to post an entry on turkish-armenian relations and the issue of the three r's (recognition, retribution and reparation) in the near future.

 

take care you all & see you soon,

 

ali

[DominO123]

2. the community as a whole: i understand that that episode leading to my leaving the forum is interpreted differently by other members who were present then. i would appreciate if this topic were elaborated a bit and the members gave their account on how they saw the matter. i see it a necessity that misunderstandings are eliminated as much as possible so that meaningful discussion can take place.

 

It is not a question of interpretation but dishonnesty.

 

http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=2832&start=0

 

You posted your last answer before disapearing on Nov. 22 2002, 11:35 AM in the thread: Does Armenia have history?

 

Here I leave people read both threads and come to their own conclusion.

[aurguplu]

quebecer

 

i have read both threads and i cannot see why

 

1) i am being called dishonest

 

2) some others (i shall refrain from giving names, it's pretty obvious in the posts anyway) aren't.

 

i would perhaps formulate some of my answers slightly differently today (partly because i read some more), but my basic positions would remain broadly the same.

 

upon rereading the threads, i came again to the conclusion that my positions were on the whole 1) clear 2) self-consistent, and 3) to the point.

 

i shall not get into a re-run as i don't see any more point to it than there had been the last time.

 

there is a difference between dishonesty and defending a position that does not agree with that of your opponent. i keep this in my mind when reading stuff that holds positions i don't agree with, and i shall expect the same when my posts are read.

[DominO123]

Indeed, dishonesty. You implied and quite directly that the sole cause of your leaving was that incidence with Martin and its degeneration, which isen't true, you continued posting and finally got everyone on your back. It is also dishonest from your part to present this cases as if people were out to get you just for the pleasure of getting you. That moderate users like Boghos and TB have also stopped taking you seriously is not a coincidence at all. Years have passed since and you can pretend what ever you want many veterans have forgotten what weant wrong and the rest of the users fresh blood who weren't there when it happened.

 

You can not expect in any platform to have the red carpet on the floor for the majesty you, and in this forum even less.

 

quebecer

 

i have read both threads and i cannot see why

 

1) i am being called dishonest

 

2) some others (i shall refrain from giving names, it's pretty obvious in the posts anyway) aren't.

 

i would perhaps formulate some of my answers slightly differently today (partly because i read some more), but my basic positions would remain broadly the same.

 

upon rereading the threads, i came again to the conclusion that my positions were on the whole 1) clear 2) self-consistent, and 3) to the point.

 

i shall not get into a re-run as i don't see any more point to it than there had been the last time.

 

there is a difference between dishonesty and defending a position that does not agree with that of your opponent. i keep this in my mind when reading stuff that holds positions i don't agree with, and i shall expect the same when my posts are read.

[Arpa]

Here he is. I can’t find the extended bio that I had seen some time ago, where it talks about his sojourn at Oxford, and the allusion that his grandfather and namesake was some kind of an ottoman diplomat born in Damscus, to which he has so coyly alluded, that he was born with (aristocratic) silver spoon in the mouth .

Ali Suat Hayri Ürgüplü (13 August 1903, Damascus, Ottoman Empire – 27 December 1981, Istanbul, Turkey) was a Turkish political figure. He served a brief term as prime minister of Turkey in 1965.

 

http://en-gb.facebook.com/people/Ali-Suat-%C3%9Crg%C3%BCpl%C3%BC/646303602

 

 

http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/41629_646303602_3844_n.jpg

[Arpa]

Is this Ali Suat the ancestor of our own Ali?

 

http://asbarez.com/102021/dadrian-to-speak-sunday-on-role-of-der-zor-governor/

 

A quote from above.

Salih Zeki, known as Zeki Bey, was born in the city of Samsun on the Black Sea in 1879. By the early 1900s he had entered the Ottoman Civil Service and began to rise through the ranks: kaymakam (county executive) of Tirebolu (1906), Vakfıkebir (1909), Ünye (1910), Bafra (1911), Alaşehir (1912), İncesu (1914), and Develi (1915). Serving in this last post, near Kay-seri/Gesaria, at the outset of the Armenian Genocide, he earned a reputation for extreme cruelty and continued to receive promotions for his work.

In summer 1916 Zeki was appointed mutasarrif (deputy governor) of Deir Zor and given the task that his predecessor, Ali Suat Bey, had refused: the liquidation of the vast number of Armenian refugees in the region. Zeki unleashed his genocidal fury against those deportee convoys that had arrived there as destitute survivors of the then-raging empire-wide deporta-tions and massacres of the Armenian people. As such, Zeki is one of the principal perpetrators of this “second phase” of the Armenian Genocide.

Googling his name will point to many items most of which have to do with the liquidation of incriminating “archives” which he had refused to do.