hyegurl01 Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 heres the article Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Takoush Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 (edited) XXXXX Edited December 14, 2005 by Anahid Takouhi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 up till 3 or 4 days a go i my self did not know anything about him will now i have mixed filling's did he deserve to spend his life in prison or be killed i don;t know what i can see he has been working in him self - as many say he has redeemed him self book's - nominations for Nobel price - some even say an idle for young generation but on the other hand - one of the founders of a Cripes gang - was convicted for killing 4 humans i just don;t know - but all i can say is - we go to a grate extend to save lifs - and not only human liefs - we could of saved him - he was no harm to anyone + he was helping to guide the youngsters but on the end he had to pay for what he has don i still don;t know i have mixed filling's on the other hand i see nayiri hunanyan still a life - killing or organizing the killings ... was it ok or no ??? whats your take on this ??? Sims like media and the rest are pointing fingers on Arnold ? why ?? the supreme Cort and other costs dined Williams - why do everyone is pointing a finger on Arnold ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maral Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 I'm glad that responsibility wasn't put on me...to decide if someone lives or dies.... bottom line...it's great that he has 'turned his life around' wrote books he wasn't really nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize,his name was mentioned as a possibility by someone...not the same as being nominated... but bottom line is that those 4 people are still dead.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 (edited) I'm sorry but you shoot 4 people like that (plus a lot lot more), you deserve to die. There is no redemption here. That would be saying you can do ANYTHING you want but then go and write some kids books and we let you live? Please... I wish they had fried his ass back in the 80's without letting him be a wasting source of our resources for nearly 25 years. In his case, there is no reasnoable doubt ... he DID the crimes. I wish we would be more efficient in cleaning up the scum on Earth Edited December 13, 2005 by Sip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takoush Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 [url=http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051212/ Can you redo the link again please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExtraHye Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 Can you redo the link again please? I think this is what she was trying to post. Here you go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takoush Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 I think this is what she was trying to post. Here you go Thanks Extra jan for printing the link. Although I personally don't believe in death penalty; however Williams was not an innocent party at all. I also feel for all the miseries and the merciless death that he has bestowed on those four people. And what about the families and what they went through. I feel for them too. It's a shame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 Our current Governor in NY, a Republican virtually won over the incumbent Cuomo simply on his stance on capital punishement, and one of his first moves was to reinstitute it. It has been almost two decades since and no executions in NY yet. It is all politics. What is even more disconcerting is that capital execution, at the end, with all the judicial acrobatics and endless appeals ends up to be an even more tax wasting and expensive project than, say a life sentence. That is my main problem with the concept. It is not like in the old days when a murderer was brought to court, they confessed and were corroborated by witnesses, and the judge would virutally tell them that they would not see the sunrise again. In Aleppo hangings were executed before sunrise. I have not seen the actual process but I have seen the aftermath, i.e dangling at the end of a noose. Yet again. The US is one of the very few countries, along with the likes of Iran and Saudi Arabia that still has capital punishment on their book. Even Turkey had to reconsider it, and Armenia had to abolish it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 I'm sorry but you shoot 4 people like that (plus a lot lot more), you deserve to die. There is no redemption here. That would be saying you can do ANYTHING you want but then go and write some kids books and we let you live? Please... I wish they had fried his ass back in the 80's without letting him be a wasting source of our resources for nearly 25 years. In his case, there is no reasnoable doubt ... he DID the crimes. I wish we would be more efficient in cleaning up the scum on Earth If we kill, we're no better than the murderous "scum" ourselves. Screw the 'resources'. I don't care what you say - murder is murder, and it is simply NOT justifiable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 simply NOT justifiable Vavajan so if you dog kills my parrot - I can't kill your dog ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 I'm sorry but you shoot 4 people like that (plus a lot lot more), you deserve to die. There is no redemption here. That would be saying you can do ANYTHING you want but then go and write some kids books and we let you live? Please... I wish they had fried his ass back in the 80's without letting him be a wasting source of our resources for nearly 25 years. In his case, there is no reasnoable doubt ... he DID the crimes. I wish we would be more efficient in cleaning up the scum on Earth Sip, you know what gangs do if someone/rival gang kills one of their members? They kill a member of that other gang. With that said what California did was act like the other gang. No better. There is enough proof that killing murderers is not a deterrent. I am sure not a single person is saying to themselves prior to pulling the gun "Hey they killed Tookie so maybe I should not kill" We are a uneducated bunch of idiots in this country where human life has no value and until that perception is changed we will continue to have the highest murder rates in the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 If we kill, we're no better than the murderous "scum" ourselves. Screw the 'resources'. I don't care what you say - murder is murder, and it is simply NOT justifiable. agree 100%. Like to also add that I am not here to defend that Tookie or whatever his name is did. I am completely disgusted as much as anyone, but I am 100% against the death penalty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 simply NOT justifiable Vavajan so if you dog kills my parrot - I can't kill your dog ?? Not relevant Mosjan, we're talking about humans here. If someone kills your friend, you DO NOT have the right to kill that person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 ... We are a uneducated bunch of idiots in this country where human life has no value and until that perception is changed we will continue to have the highest murder rates in the world. Good point. Someone sent me this by email, I'm not sure of the source or of the numbers jive (essential figures are missing) but anyway: If you consider that there have been an average of 160,000 troops in the Iraq theater of operations during the last 22 months, and a total of 2112 deaths, that gives a firearm death rate of 60 per 100,000. The rate in Washington D.C. (among others) is 80.6 per 100,000. That means that you are about 25% more likely to be shot and killed in our Nation's Capitol, which has some of the strictest gun control laws in the nation, than you are in Iraq. Hmmmmm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 Not relevant Mosjan, we're talking about humans here. If someone kills your friend, you DO NOT have the right to kill that person. Vavajan are you sure ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 Vavajan are you sure ?? Yes, I'm sure. Nothing, and no one can give you (or the government) a moral right to kill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 This is not a question of morals ... it's a question of getting rid of the useless human infestation. I am not saying start killing all criminals but there is a point after which a life is not worht a damn and at that point, you put that life to end. And I'll be happy to take over the duties if anyone has any personal moral objections to doing it themselves. I won't lose a minute of sleep over it either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 This is not a question of morals ... it's a question of getting rid of the useless human infestation. Oh come on?! Where do you draw the line? Next thing you know you'll be wacking the seniors, the sick, the physically/mentally challanged and so forth. The whole world is FULL of "useless human infestation" are you going to start culling the world of 'gene' superiority too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 (edited) If we kill, we're no better than the murderous "scum" ourselves. Screw the 'resources'. I don't care what you say - murder is murder, and it is simply NOT justifiable. That is not true. Murder is not justifiable but killing is. In my view, killing in self defense is absolutely justifiable. If someone is going to kill you, then you can kill that person without that being murder. Capital Punishment should only be used in cases where the subject is an imminent and on going threat to the rest of society. In case of Tookie, that definitely applied. It's just sad to see it happen 25 years too late. What makes it even more justifiable is that he never acknowledged, he never confesed, and he never showed remorse or appologized for any of his killings. Edited December 15, 2005 by Sip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 Yes, I'm sure. Nothing, and no one can give you (or the government) a moral right to kill. in that case keep your dog & your cat away from my parrot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 That is not true. Murder is not justifiable but killing is. In my view, killing in self defense is absolutely justifiable. If someone is going to kill you, then you can kill that person without that being murder. Capital Punishment should only be used in cases where the subject is an imminent and on going threat to the rest of society. In case of Tookie, that definitely applied. It's just sad to see it happen 25 years too late. What makes it even more justifiable is that he never acknowledged, he never confesed, and he never showed remorse or appologized for any of his killings. Sip has capital panishment reduced any crime? crime has gone up with the same rate as state puts prisoners to death, look at Texas the most state which carried out execution, is Texas a safer place? I dont think it has any effect of reducing crime or murder, this is a culture of violance, glorification of the execution plays over and over on TV and Media, cpital panishment isent reducing crime but it sure gets a canditate elected to public offece Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takoush Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 I dont think it has any effect of reducing crime or murder, this is a culture of violance, glorification of the execution plays over and over on TV and Media, cpital panishment isent reducing crime but it sure gets a canditate elected to public offece Also, how about all the ones that may be innocent........? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantom22 Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 (edited) Oh come on?! Where do you draw the line? Next thing you know you'll be wacking the seniors, the sick, the physically/mentally challanged and so forth. The whole world is FULL of "useless human infestation" are you going to start culling the world of 'gene' superiority too? Capitol punishment is not a deterrent to murder. This has been proven numerous times. There is more than one way to kill. The Bush administration are a bunch of hypocrits. Their policies are "killing" many. Do you not think that depriving a person from making a living is not a form of murder? Many are doubling and tripling their immense wealth due to the policies of these so-called Christians while others including former members of the middle class slip into poverty. Furthermore, no one speaks about the American boys and girls dying in Iraq nor the hundreds of thousands of the citizens of Iraq who are dying due to what is transpiring there. Why are the Americans trying to convert Christians in Iraq to fundamentalist Southern-US Christianity? Don't we have enough of those bozos in the US? Do we have to export this idiocy to the Middle East? I am so sick of this idiot in the White House and his corrupt adminstration. When I was growing up Christians acted more like Christians. Bush is a TOTAL fraud. Edited December 15, 2005 by phantom22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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