sarsher101 Posted November 25, 2005 Report Share Posted November 25, 2005 I like to meet one person who had seen the improvments made in Armenia and Gharapagh with the money collected ever year for that matter. What do you guys think about sending the money as is to armenia or investing it in American soil and benefitting from the interested and revenue made on it to help armenia continiously. After all many other nations tried that idea and succeeded in getting their genocides recognized by USA. we should stop thinking principaly and start thinking politically and economically. without money no power without power no politics. I'm curious to know what the most young generation from 18-22 think about this topic. All are welcome to post responses and i would appreciate if you put an age range in which you fall in if you have time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantom22 Posted November 25, 2005 Report Share Posted November 25, 2005 My favorite Armenian charities have been the Amercan University of Armenia plus the AAA AND ANCA. The University is turning out excellent graduates. I have supported both advocacy organizations. The money that I sent to the telethon was used to build a critical highway in Artsakh. The two advocacy organizations are doing a tremendous job at home. I am an old man by chronological years but young of body and mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hytga Posted November 25, 2005 Report Share Posted November 25, 2005 just out of curiosity. Why is this in genocide section? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lev7 Posted November 25, 2005 Report Share Posted November 25, 2005 just out of curiosity. Why is this in genocide section? what is the difference? it is important to us same way as the AG recognition. Donate some money instead of asking useless questions! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hytga Posted November 25, 2005 Report Share Posted November 25, 2005 I've done the donating part. and no need to get hyper on me, it was a simple question btw. in case you didn't hear. The SOAD thing was a prank call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted November 25, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2005 can any of you help me find the Garik Qosoyanst song on Children of Genocide Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted November 25, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2005 i have merged all 3 Telethon topics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted November 25, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2005 What Do You Think Of The Telethon ?? it was good only one problem Marals Credit card bounced on me - i could not make the 999K donation that we was planing - but it's OK next year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gor-Gor Posted November 25, 2005 Report Share Posted November 25, 2005 It's too bad the $7.5 million total was far below the $11.5 million raised last year. I have 2 things to say... 1) I watched most of the Telethon, and I wonder how much Louise Simone Manoogian donated. Last year she donated one million, and then another million conditioned on passing the $10m mark (which was passed). This year, I only saw that she donated $500,000. I don't know if she donated any more, as I didn't watch all of it. But if she didn't...why? It's not just her, but last year, we had many, many, many BIG donations (half a million, quarter of a million, one million, etc) -- and that is what helped us get to $11.5 million. This year, those big donations were absent. Maybe I'm wrong as I didn't watch the whole thing... 2) Another reason that I think the total was lower is that the cause was not as 'emotional.' In the past, we were raising money either for the Koris-Stepanagerd highway, or the North-South highway. Even though these were important projects, they were very emotional too. They were connecting Armenia to Karabagh, and then all of Karabagh together. The new cause, rebuilding regions of Artsakh by targeting hospitals, schools, water supply -- that is simply not as emotional or sexy or simple, even. I think this was to blame with the lower turnout. I hope ArmeniaFund was expecting a slightly lower turnout. On a related note, does anyone think we should also earmark some of the money to Armenia itself? After this 3-year 'Rebuilding Artsakh' project is over, I think we should focus on helping villages and towns of Armenia. I know Artsakh needs help too, but so does Armenia. Then again, maybe ArmeniaFund has stuck with Artsakh because with fewer than 200,000 people, you can really notice the difference that projects make. In a country of 3 million, these same projects are only a drop in the bucket... I just wish we could do more... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantom22 Posted November 25, 2005 Report Share Posted November 25, 2005 (edited) Hagarag I promis on next Hyeforum project we will take your situation seriosly and maybe we would pladge some money to help you..... Edward, Your concern is appreciated, but I am a proud Armenian, so I would not accept any assistance. I came out of retirement and am working two low-paying jobs while retraining myself by going to graduate school. My wealthy brother has offered to help me financially but I have refused. I have also contemplated going to school to get a real estate license. I pray every day that the bastard in the White House gets impeached along with his VP, and McCain is given his job. The Democrats will never let that happen though, giving McCain a head start. I have never disliked an administration like I do this one. I even sort of felt sorry for Nixon, even though he dug his own grave, so to speak. What you can do for me is make sure that honest persons are put in power next time around. Edited November 25, 2005 by phantom22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanetsi Posted November 25, 2005 Report Share Posted November 25, 2005 The whole SOAD band is on their way What? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted November 25, 2005 Report Share Posted November 25, 2005 It's too bad the $7.5 million total was far below the $11.5 million raised last year. ...I watched most of the Telethon, and I wonder how much Louise Simone Manoogian donated. Last year she donated one million, and then another million conditioned on passing the $10m mark (which was passed). This year, I only saw that she donated $500,000. I don't know if she donated any more, as I didn't watch all of it. But if she didn't...why? It's not just her, but last year, we had many, many, many BIG donations (half a million, quarter of a million, one million, etc) -- and that is what helped us get to $11.5 million. This year, those big donations were absent. Maybe I'm wrong as I didn't watch the whole thing... I was also wondering about that. I think that last year all metsaharousts gave a lot of money and this year simply they couldn't afford to give the same amount. (I admit, I have no idea how much they're worth.) Like Louise Simone Manoogian, she had planned to donate a million last year, but then added another million. These are huge amounts of money for one person to donate. And there was no increase from regular income people to call. I was very surprised when during one part of the telethon they gave statistics about the callers and said that last year there had been a record number of calls, about 6500 from West of the Mississippi River. That means from the Western states, like California. There are so many Armenians living in California, shouldn't that number have been much higher? I guess a lot of the Armenians just don't participate in the fundraiser. On a related note, does anyone think we should also earmark some of the money to Armenia itself? Well, in that same report they reported that the money has been distributed to different projects since ArmeniaFund began in 1992. For example, with that money 200 buildings have been built in Gyumri and likewise schools have been reconstructed in the earthquake hit regions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted November 25, 2005 Report Share Posted November 25, 2005 When are we as a nation going to stop begging people for money? I have to be honest and say that initially I was a big supporter of the telethon and one year even did lots of work for them for teh website and streaming but I dont care for it much anymore. I think it has lived its useful life and it is time to move one. Are there any other nations that have annual telethons? I am not sure if there are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hytga Posted November 25, 2005 Report Share Posted November 25, 2005 (edited) Are there any other nations that have annual telethons? I am not sure if there are. i haven't seen one this year, but i've seen some in last couple of years a jewish one. btw. i don't agree with you. there's still much to be done. Edited November 25, 2005 by hytga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gor-Gor Posted November 25, 2005 Report Share Posted November 25, 2005 When are we as a nation going to stop begging people for money? I have to be honest and say that initially I was a big supporter of the telethon and one year even did lots of work for them for teh website and streaming but I dont care for it much anymore. I think it has lived its useful life and it is time to move one. Are there any other nations that have annual telethons? I am not sure if there are. Desperate people beg if there is no other way. We are desperate in our attempts to revitalize and develop our homeland. Nobody helps us, not even ourselves. So we must beg. I support the Telethon fully. How else are we going to raise $7.5 million in one night? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marseliatsi_M26 Posted November 25, 2005 Report Share Posted November 25, 2005 In France, every year voluntaries phone you to ask you how much you want to donate to the French Armenian Fund. (They find your family name in the White Pages). Then, they send you a form that you fill in with your check and you send it back to the French Armenian Fund. It entitles you to benefit from an income-tax cut. I think it should be applied in the Usa but also in Canada, Argentina, Brazil, Uruguay, Venezuela, Italy, Spain, Greece, UK, Germany, Belgium, Netherlands, Austria, Switzerland, Hungary, Czech Republic, Poland, Romania, Bulgaria, Cyprus, Ukraine, Russia, Belarus, Armenia, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Sweden, Moldova, Australia, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, Jordan, Qatar, Kuwait........etc Because Armenians live everywhere and like this they would feel involved. French Armenians have donated much more this year. Moreover, we should explain the aim of this action to our non-Armenian friends to incite them to participate in it . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted November 25, 2005 Report Share Posted November 25, 2005 i haven't seen one this year, but i've seen some in last couple of years a jewish one. actually i think you are talking about L'chiam telethon(http://www.tolife.com/) and it is NOT to support the Israel in building roads or the government but it is an organization that does many activities in Israel and even some in US. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted November 25, 2005 Report Share Posted November 25, 2005 In France, every year voluntaries phone you to ask you how much you want to donate to the French Armenian Fund. (They find your family name in the White Pages). Then, they send you a form that you fill in with your check and you send it back to the French Armenian Fund. It entitles you to benefit from an income-tax cut. All donations to charitable organizations and religious organizations are tax free in the USA as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted November 25, 2005 Report Share Posted November 25, 2005 Desperate people beg if there is no other way. We are desperate in our attempts to revitalize and develop our homeland. Nobody helps us, not even ourselves. So we must beg. I support the Telethon fully. How else are we going to raise $7.5 million in one night? Each year just the US government helps us by giving us 10 times more money then we collect in the telethon. Russia helps us. France helps and many other countries and individuals help. when will it stop? My guess is it will never stop. Armenians will need to learn how to stand up on their own and on foreign investments and NOT rely on foreign donations but Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted November 25, 2005 Report Share Posted November 25, 2005 Azad, I agree with you but you need to understand that the "help" coming from foreign governments is rarely hard cash. Most of the time it is based on sub-contracts whose beneficiary is the Armenian government and whose recipient of hard cash are local (to the donor) organizations and companies. Most infrastructure projects require hard cash. I don't know exactly how ArmeniaFund operates but it would be very unwise on their part just to spend the money collected as donation to build some road or something else. Instead, you can get twice as much financing against your hard cash and implement projects with low return rate - such as infrastructure project. As to whether or not such Telethons exist among other nations - yes, they do, but their purpose is different. Again, Armenia and Artzakh are way behind many developed nations in terms of infrastructure and economic development. What we can do is to continue supporting such projects not to please anybody, nor to look and act more "European", but for our own sake. This is the road to building a sustainable society. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hytga Posted November 26, 2005 Report Share Posted November 26, 2005 This is the road to building a sustainable society. exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hytga Posted November 26, 2005 Report Share Posted November 26, 2005 does anyone have statistics as to how many people participated this year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maral Posted November 26, 2005 Report Share Posted November 26, 2005 (edited) What Do You Think Of The Telethon ?? it was good only one problem Marals Credit card bounced on me - i could not make the 999K donation that we was planing - but it's OK next year Very funny! We called for a $50 donation...the kid says...Great,for that donation,we will send you a video of the show ,I think he said the part where our name goes across the screen..ok cool...AND he says I get a 5 year membership to something,I didnt' understand to what...so I'm thinking...cool...all this for $50????.....interesting... and he says..so Mrs. P...that's a $250 donation to the mailing address of...I say.... WHAT DID YOU SAY?????????????????????????????????????? he thought I said $250....he must have confused my call with MOS's call with my CC# Edited November 26, 2005 by Maral Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted November 26, 2005 Report Share Posted November 26, 2005 my guess is about 6000-7000. What % of the money goes for non administrative costs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted November 26, 2005 Report Share Posted November 26, 2005 Azat its about 25% and no matter what you do there is always a few rats who needs to be fed, it just a part of any society and culture corraption has been with man kind as long as porostitution, but its important to look at the bigger pickture, most of the money end up doing some good and its very essential (diaspora help) to insure the survival of our nation till she can support herself and maybe some day be same kiind of help to diaspora, like invite diasporance to live in Armenia, provide housing, support, opertunities maybe financial aid to start of a business....who knows what will bring the future, but as of now especialy Artsax needs our help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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