Armenia Dates Back To The Stone Age And Beyond

[Takoush]

Anahid Takouhi, be careful what you say here. Remember when we used to hit women over the head with wooden clubs and dragged them by the hair into our caves?? Is that why women have longer hair?

 

Arpa: Please don't take it upon yourself. There are exceptions to what I said earlier which obviously have my respect. However here in the diaspora, not all but a great number of women could care less about knowing their own history and so forth. Unfortunately a great number of them are very materialistic as well and I think if they don't waste their time about frivolousness, they'll find themselves passionately involved with more intellectual and high minded subjects that are far more pleasing to the soul than clothes, better houses or even jewelry.

[Takoush]

By the way, I forgot to thank you for welcoming me.

[Arpa]

By the way, I forgot to thank you for welcoming me.

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You're welcome.

 

BTW that "be careful" part was a caveman joke.

 

Of course we won't hit you over the head except with a crown befitting a taguhi.

 

[Takoush]

Thanks

[Armen]

Armen, 'yes amousnatsadz em'.  Unfortunately I don't have a sister either, so you see, it's not possible but I wish you all the best.  Incidentally, I heard that the Armenian girls in Armenia are extremely beautiful, one more beautiful than the other.  [Ge housam kezi hamar vor keghetsig en eselov 'kiternin shad partser chellah' mer Hayasdantsi aghchigneroun.  Irents eseh keghetsgoutyoune amen inch cheh ashkhari vera, martous sirde aveli garevor eh vor pari ellah yev nayev zoravor ellah.  Eseh Anahid kouyrige esav aytbes.  Kez lavakouyn maghtanknere ge makhtem].

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Vay, vay! Neroghutyun

 

Unfortunately we don't have a box in our profiles stating the marital status. Loved that beautiful Western Armenian. Thanks for your wishes and... welcome.

 

Oh yes, be careful ... there are some people here on forum who will still try to get your phone number.

[Armen]

Ahaaaa ... women troubles! Don't wory Armen dude ... it just seems more depressing than it actually is

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For the moment I thought the title said "Armenians dated blacks in the Stone Age and beyond ...". But when you have progressive people like Phantom around .. it can't realy get more depressing than it is ...

[skhara]

For the moment I thought the title said "Armenians dated blacks in the Stone Age and beyond ...". But when you have progressive people like Phantom around .. it can't realy get more depressing than it is ...

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[Artaxias]

You're right Shaunt for saying that to me; I realize now that I didn't make myself very clear.  I very well know that Armenians came together when number of tribes came from the Balkanian Peninsula such as from; Thrace, Phrygia and Thessaly.  They pretty much came to the Armenian Plateau because Phrygian's for instance were pushed by the Albanians towards east, and some of these tribes went to the Armenian Pleateau and took over or were mixed with the Urartians or the Araratians.  That's pretty much when Armenians were formed, out of numerous Balkanian tribes and also with the Urartians that were in the Van 'Vasbouragan' region.  That part of the history goes back to about close to 3,000 years.  So Armenians are about 3,000 years old, right?  I know that much Shaunt with my limited knowledge.      

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That's very good.

Few things:

a) there were no Albanians, if we believe Illyrians are their ancestors even so they were weak and insignificant

Thraco-Phrygians migrated because of the Trojan War and 'Sea People' activity

c) don't say 'Balkans', it's a turkish word. The region is called South-Eastern Europe

[Arpa]

That's very good.

Few things:

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c) don't say 'Balkans', it's a turkish word. The region is called South-Eastern Europe

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Very good Artaxias.

 

I didn’t know that. Not that I had given it much thought. The term has become so common and generic that we don’t even stop to see that indeed it sounds Turkish.

Now that Turks have very little to do there, (do they?) is it not time that the natives rename their territory?

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balkans

 

Etymology and evolving meaning

The term Balkans is due to the Berlin geographer Johann August Zeune (1778-1853) who, in 1808, coined the term Balkanhalbinsel, which had a tremendous impact. Initially it was a purely geographical term, and referred to the mountainous regions of modern Bulgaria, Macedonia, Albania and Greece. Note that, when the term was coined, all these countries were not independent, and therefore the term had no political connotations. The German word was based on Turkish balakan 'stone, cliff', which confirms the pure 'technical' meaning of the term. Actually the mountain range that runs across Bulgaria from west to east (Stara Planina) is still commonly known as the Balkan Mountains.

 

Those SSOs!

They have polluted the entire globe.

Is this not the age of anti-pollution!!

 

[Takoush]

Unfortunately we don't have a box in our profiles stating the marital status. Loved that beautiful Western Armenian. Thanks for your wishes and... welcome.

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Armen; Thanks for liking my Western Armenian and for your welcoming me. Don't worry, no heart feelings.

 

[Takoush]

a) there were no Albanians, if we believe Illyrians are their ancestors even so they were weak and insignificant

Thraco-Phrygians migrated because of the Trojan War and 'Sea People' activity

c) don't say 'Balkans', it's a turkish word. The region is called South-Eastern Europe

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Artaxias; Thanks for the input and for enlightening me. I never thought "Balkan" is a Turkish word. From now on I will say 'South-Eastern Europe'.

[Takoush]

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Etymology and evolving meaning

The term Balkans is due to the Berlin geographer Johann August Zeune (1778-1853) who, in 1808, coined the term Balkanhalbinsel, which had a tremendous impact. Initially it was a purely geographical term, and referred to the mountainous regions of modern Bulgaria, Macedonia, Albania and Greece. Note that, when the term was coined, all these countries were not independent, and therefore the term had no political connotations. The German word was based on Turkish balakan 'stone, cliff', which confirms the pure 'technical' meaning of the term. Actually the mountain range that runs across Bulgaria from west to east (Stara Planina) is still commonly known as the Balkan Mountains.

 

Those SSOs!

They have polluted the entire globe.

Is this not the age of anti-pollution!!

 

 

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Wow you gals are quite well read I'm impressed! Thanks for the input Arpa, and very good about SSOs polluting the world, and I like what you said at the end; this is the age of anti-pollution times;

[Takoush]

"The legend states, that when the Armenians have appeared in front of the God for reception of the share of land, the latter was already given out, and they got only stones, therefore one of the titles of Armenia sounds as "Karastan" - "Country of stones".

 

You’ll find the above quote here;

http://www.nuevavista.am/English/arm_brief.htm

 

Yes, some have suggested that Hayastan be rather called Qarastan, the “Land of Stones”.

 

Siamanto sings in his Գիւտին Փառքը/“Gyutin Parq@, the “Glory of Discovery”;

 

“Mesrop,  hay dareroun dimats ketsogh

Dun, adamandia aparazh…”

Մեսրոպ..  հայ դարերու դիմաց կեցող

Դուն ադամանդիա ապարաժ

Mesrop, standing against the ages,

You, (our) diamantine rock…!

 

Yes! Armenia may be in the “stone age”.

Shall we all join in singing that hymn; Rock of Ages!!??

I don’t know who composed it but they may have had our Homeland, the “rock of  ages” in mind.

 

Hayastan having been called Qarastan at times has not been lost on us, we have many sayings with stone as the central object. Let’s see how many we can remember. The most famous of them may be “qaren hats k@ haneh” (extracts bread from stone.]

:)

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Arpa djan:

 

By the way, I like to know how is it that you're able to print Armenian letters on the website? I'd like that, and I loved your poetry too!

 

Signed the Mighty Takouhi

[Artaxias]

Arpa djan:

 

By the way, I like to know how is it that you're able to print Armenian letters on the website?  I'd like that, and I loved your poetry too!

 

Signed the Mighty Takouhi    

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You need to install Armenian unicode fonts, which you already did since you can see the script.

 

To be able to type: http://www.armunicode.org/en/armkbd-win/

 

Or just use transliteration: http://www.genocide.ru/translit/convert.html

[Takoush]

You need to install Armenian unicode fonts, which you already did since you can see the script.

 

To be able to type: http://www.armunicode.org/en/armkbd-win/

 

Or just use transliteration: http://www.genocide.ru/translit/convert.html

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Artaxias: You're wonderful. Thanks again for your help. I'll read into it later.

[Sip]

The other thing you can do is click on the "show translit" link right below where you are replying and it will allow you to type armenian in english letters. It'll be something like this:

 

Տհե ոտհեր տհինգ յոու ցան դո իս ցլիցկ ոն տհե "շու տրանսլիտ" լինկ րիղտ բելու ւհերե յոու արե րեպլյինգ անդ իտ ւիլլ ալլու յոու տո տյպե արմենիան ին ենգլիշ լետտերս.

 

[Arvestaked]

I was under the impression that all land as we know it dates back to the beginning of the Earth.

[shaunt]

You're right Shaunt for saying that to me; I realize now that I didn't make myself very clear.  I very well know that Armenians came together when number of tribes came from the Balkanian Peninsula such as from; Thrace, Phrygia and Thessaly.  They pretty much came to the Armenian Plateau because Phrygian's for instance were pushed by the Albanians towards east, and some of these tribes went to the Armenian Pleateau and took over or were mixed with the Urartians or the Araratians.  That's pretty much when Armenians were formed, out of numerous Balkanian tribes and also with the Urartians that were in the Van 'Vasbouragan' region.  That part of the history goes back to about close to 3,000 years.  So Armenians are about 3,000 years old, right?  I know that much Shaunt with my limited knowledge.      

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Your knowledge of the ethnogenesis of Armenians is right on, .

 

There is a quote by Khorenatsi that I find to be most revealing regarding the origins of Armenians. In Book I.24 he says that "Tigran extended the borders of out country up to the edge of our habitation places in antiquity." (Italics are mine) I found the quote in a book titled The Pre-History Of The Armenians by Gabriel Soultanian.

[Takoush]

Your knowledge of the ethnogenesis of Armenians is right on,  .

 

There is a quote by Khorenatsi that I find to be most revealing regarding the origins of Armenians. In Book I.24 he says that "Tigran extended the borders of out country up to the edge of our habitation places in antiquity." (Italics are mine) I found the quote in a book titled The Pre-History Of The Armenians by Gabriel Soultanian.

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Shaunt:

 

Thank you. By the way shere did you buy the book from. In the States, from Lebanon or Armenia perhaps? If you would let me know please?

Thank you.

[shaunt]

Shaunt: 

 

Thank you.      By the way shere did you buy the book from. In the States, from Lebanon or Armenia perhaps?  If you would let me know please?

Thank you.  

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I am blessed to have access to the YRL (Charles Young Library) at UCLA. I stumbled across the book one day, and I was quite suprised to find it, since resources on proto-Armenian history is scare.

 

If you do not have access to a library which carries the book, you can purchase it here, http://www.bennettandbloom.com/ArmVol1.htm. That is the first volume, the one I read. This is the second one: http://www.bennettandbloom.com/ArmVol2.htm. The UCLA library does not have the second volume, unfortunately. I am dying to read it though. I'll probably end up purchasing it.

 

But if you the more comprehensive book on the subject, I suggest I.M. Diakonoff's The Pre-History Of The Armenian People, which can also be found at the YRL, and at the following site: https://www.eisenbrauns.com/ECOM/_1LH1EZUOQ.HTM.

 

There is another book titled Armenia, Subartu, and Sumer by N. Ouzounian. Once again, this can be found at the YRL, and at this site: http://www.stvartanbookstore.com/browsepro...-Sumer-Eng.HTML

 

The interesting thing about this book is that he claims Armenians are native to Anatolia, and they get their name from the region of Aram, the place they settled prior to moving into Urartian kingdom. The book claims Armenia as being the home of the Indo-Europeans, and goes into depth on that topic.

 

The books by Soultanian and Diakonoff both support the migrational theory. Soultanian adds that the Paionians where the tribe from which the Armenians get their name "Hay" from. Both are of the opinion that the Kingdom Melid was the first Armenian kingdom, and that it is from here the proto-Armenians make their move into Urartu lands.

 

All three books are extremely interesting, and engaging. A definite must read for Armenians interested in Armenian history, .

[Takoush]

The books by Soultanian and Diakonoff both support the migrational theory. Soultanian adds that the Paionians where the tribe from which the Armenians get their name "Hay" from. Both are of the opinion that the Kingdom Melid was the first Armenian kingdom, and that it is from here the proto-Armenians make their move into Urartu lands.

 

All three books are extremely interesting, and engaging. A definite must read for Armenians interested in Armenian history,  .

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Thanks Shaunt:

 

It certainly sounds very interesting! I would love to order them. However when I go back to school in September myself, I will have a bit less time to read them; but I'll manage. Thanks for the info.

 

[Artaxias]

Martiros Kavoukjian's book about Sumer and such is hogwash, pseudo-science at best.

[Ata Donme]

Well I must say that I always wondered why on earth did such 'fantastic' people such as us decided to settle in one of the most tectonically volatile places on earth.

Why we chose to settle in a geographical region that is a crossing place for nomadic war mongers.

Why we chose to settle in a place that is mostly arid and semi-desert.

 

Choice?

Or compulsion?

 

I have some far fetched ideas, you may know by now dear compatriots!

 

And one of them is that we are descended from peoples who came from a far better land that was ruined by either a natural catastrophe or by war.

Sort of like 'Atlantis'

Some prominant persons have believed in these ancient wars, even the likes of Dr. R. Oppenheimer who supervised the Manhattan Project had this to say...

 

"Only seven years after the first successful atom bomb blast in New Mexico, Dr. Robert Oppenheimer (1904-1967) Scientist, philosopher, bohemian, and radical. A theoretical physicist and the Supervising Scientist of the Manhattan Project, who was familiar with ancient Sanskrit literature, was giving a lecture at Rochester University. During the question and answer period a student asked a question to which Oppenheimer gave a strangely qualified answer:

 

Student: Was the bomb exploded at Alamogordo during the Manhattan Project the first one to be detonated?

 

Dr. Oppenheimer: "Well -- yes. In modern times, of course."

 

Extracted from Here.

 

Of course it is far fetched, that is, it is far from current accepted history, certainly pro-occidental history.

And although I admire the Gospels as a christian, I also believe humans have been on earth far longer than 6,000 years and that we have developed societies way before 'history begins in Sumeria'.

 

If Takavor Tigran was aiming to recreate the ancient bounds of our people, reaching to Egypt then maybe our people were the brains that built the Sphinx long before it was engulfed in a flood loosing its Leonine/Canine appearance, only thousands of years later being remodelled by Pharoah Khafre around 2,500 BC

Why we may even have been the brains behind the building of the Great Pyramid

And why do you think the line of the Pharoahs were so obsessed with preserving their genes that they intermarried?

You know pharoah Ra-Masses had a large 'Armenian' nose...

You can see the old fellow here but he is looking a tad dishevelled mind!

In fact the Egyptian name suffix Masses/Massis means 'to be born of' just as our famous Mt. Massis is 'born' out of the earth by volatile tectonic activity.

 

And I might haste to add that the Armenian adventurer/philosopher G.I. Gurdjieff found a map of pre-sand Egypt whilst at an Armenian monastery!

Can't believe it?

Can't stop rolling around with laughter?

Can't stop gnashing your teeth?

Well check Here...

 

Maybe the reason why some geneticists found Armenian DNA to be close to African DNA is because we came from that continent, when the sterile Sahara was a fertile Savana, the great Nile the life blood ot the land and route to the mineral rich south...

 

Well the thread is about the antiquity of Armenia, I'm just pushing things a little, well alright, I have pushed it way over the cliff! lol!