skhara Posted July 12, 2005 Report Share Posted July 12, 2005 Have you guys heard of recruiting of 'white' Al-Qaeda? Basically going after Bosnians, Chechens, and Albanians as the recruits? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted July 12, 2005 Report Share Posted July 12, 2005 (edited) I said "Arab". Smart idea making your list longer by naming all the sub groups. I didn't know "Armenians", "Greeks", "Jews", and "Italians" were Arab subgroups. But even those sub groups, have countries of their own which further supports the point that these terrorists don't have a "country" of their own as Edward was saying. An "Arab" or "Paki", the way you are using it doesn't signify a country either so I don't know what your point is. An article which may be of interest to you is here. Also, I don't know what you consider "paki" and "arab" features but towls on heads can easily be removed and large beards shaved. An Arab person could shave one day, let it grow for 3 days, wear a shirt with open buttons on the top and a big cross, addidas pants and slippers and I guarantee you won't be able to distinguish him from a "Rabiz" 7 out of 10. Edited July 12, 2005 by Sip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armjan Posted July 12, 2005 Report Share Posted July 12, 2005 (edited) An Arab person could shave one day, let it grow for 3 days, wear a shirt with open buttons on the top and a big cross, addidas pants and slippers and I guarantee you won't be able to distinguish him from a "Rabiz" 7 out of 10. style_images/master/snapback.png sure you can, ask a complete stranger to go up to this potential rabiz "guy" and call him A-Z-I-Z. if all hell breaks loose, then u'll know! Edited July 12, 2005 by armjan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armjan Posted July 12, 2005 Report Share Posted July 12, 2005 (edited) You are going in a more PC direction than I am. The point is that modern day international terrorists are almost all Arab, South Asian, North African. So of course if Terrorists hijack a plane somewhere in Europe or America you are going to focus the investigation on the people that have links to those parts of world. The terrorist "can" be anybody, but in all probability it won't be your gay German Barber. It''ll probably be a Muhammed Hassan, or Ahmed Hussien. Of course it'll be a slippery slope to screen them by race, but it is worth it if it saves the lives of scores of innocent people. style_images/master/snapback.png i share your view on this one. the consipritors can make up all the hypothesis they want, but one needs to follow the evidence. it's all about idealogies. not which one is better in general, but which one is better for you & your interests. Think very hard about any activity that you do on any day, the end consumer of those thoughts/actions/feelings is YOU. forget trying to find this peaceful sorry state of existence, there will always be conflict. will you leave your child hungry to feed someone else? the answer to most rational ppl not in denail is NO, so leave your peaceful state of affairs to the sixth grade class that taught you tolerance. choose your side and make sure it wins. everything else is as already mentioned "intellectual masturbation". Edited July 12, 2005 by armjan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted July 12, 2005 Report Share Posted July 12, 2005 call him A-Z-I-Z. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theguywhosavedtheuniverse Posted July 12, 2005 Report Share Posted July 12, 2005 I didn't know "Armenians", "Greeks", "Jews", and "Italians" were Arab subgroups. But even those sub groups, have countries of their own which further supports the point that these terrorists don't have a "country" of their own as Edward was saying. An "Arab" or "Paki", the way you are using it doesn't signify a country either so I don't know what your point is. An article which may be of interest to you is here. Also, I don't know what you consider "paki" and "arab" features but towls on heads can easily be removed and large beards shaved. An Arab person could shave one day, let it grow for 3 days, wear a shirt with open buttons on the top and a big cross, addidas pants and slippers and I guarantee you won't be able to distinguish him from a "Rabiz" 7 out of 10. style_images/master/snapback.png Quit being naive. When I said Arab subgroups I meant Lebanon, Egypt, and Iraq. Please tell me your joking when you think Greeks and Italians are similar in appearance to Semites and S. Asians. Anyone with half a brain could tell they are not semites or Southern Asians. And I said physical features! Not clothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted July 12, 2005 Report Share Posted July 12, 2005 Anyone with half a brain could tell they are not semites or Southern Asians. Yes, but most people have full brains. It's thinking like that that gets Armenia classified as a "terrorist" state by mistake. You have to try to be a LOT smarter about this new enemy than just looking for a bunch of arabs. It's the same kind of mentality that had 7-11 attendants being harassed or shot after 9/11 since they looked like those camel riding arabs. Interestingly enough, I was asked 2 questions when we moved to Germany: 1. Are you turkish? To which I answered no, I am Armenian from Iran. And then came the inevitable ... 2. Did you own camels. And of course I had never even seen a camel before in real life. But it is understandable as they simply didn't know. Heck I thought they would be walking around without bending their knees and shouting in stern voices while talking which of course was as far from reality as one could get. But I did grow up watching world war II movies just as they had associated "middle east" with camel riding arabs that all look alike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted July 12, 2005 Report Share Posted July 12, 2005 You are going in a more PC direction than I am. .... The terrorist "can" be anybody, but in all probability it won't be your gay German Barber. It''ll probably be a Muhammed Hassan, or Ahmed Hussien. Of course it'll be a slippery slope to screen them by race, but it is worth it if it saves the lives of scores of innocent people. style_images/master/snapback.png Sorry - I disagree. It has nothing to do with going 'PC'. It has more to do with individual civil liberties. Using your logic, anyone with 'ties' to an arabic, or islamic country becomes a terrorist suspect. That's plain wrong - and besides, there's not enough room at Guantanamo to put them all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted July 12, 2005 Report Share Posted July 12, 2005 (edited) i share your view on this one. .... forget trying to find this peaceful sorry state of existence, there will always be conflict. will you leave your child hungry to feed someone else? the answer to most rational ppl not in denail is NO, so leave your peaceful state of affairs to the sixth grade class that taught you tolerance. choose your side and make sure it wins. everything else is as already mentioned "intellectual masturbation". style_images/master/snapback.png Cynical view IMO - but I don't think we're talking about the same thing. UniverseSaver is claiming that trampling the individual rights of those who 'may look like' terrorists is ok, as long as you do it to 'prevent' more terrorism. My POV is that repressing and/or antagonising an entire demographic based on looks/religion is going to trigger additional group-oriented defensiveness. You can't just squash them like bugs. To mitigate the risks of terrorism, we have work to identify and subsequently remove the motives behind the terrorist attacks. Otherwise it will continue in one form or another.... Edited July 13, 2005 by vava Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted July 12, 2005 Report Share Posted July 12, 2005 Jay Leno made a very interesting joke last night ... he said something about how LA's bus system is the second largest in the nation and authorities are urging people to report any suspicious looking people or activities ... ... then he went on to say ... yah right, LA? suspicious looking people? That's like EVERYONE And having ridden LA busses for a couple of years about 6 hours a day going back and forth to UCLA, I would have to say he is very right. If I had to pick, I could identify about 17 potential terrorists a day on the buses I took. Allaho Akbar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantom22 Posted July 12, 2005 Report Share Posted July 12, 2005 (edited) Machines will do it for you. Do you think that any Armenians "look the part?" Checking for terrorists by their looks is very surreal! http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/0...0180555554.html Edited July 12, 2005 by phantom22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted July 12, 2005 Report Share Posted July 12, 2005 That's pretty cool but it is maching things to archived images and videos (existing suspects) ... probably much like what Vegas has been doing for years! It doesn't do anything in spotting a new bad guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted July 12, 2005 Report Share Posted July 12, 2005 This is "edasurc". What? Read it backwards. It may be somewaht delayed, say by a thousands years, but it is retaliation none the less.A thousands years ago Europeans went to the Midle East to punish the "infidels" and now those "infidels" are up to punish the "infidels". BTW, Did you know that suicide bombing was invented by... you guessed it. Remember the Ottoman Bank incident? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armjan Posted July 13, 2005 Report Share Posted July 13, 2005 (edited) Machines will do it for you. Do you think that any Armenians "look the part?" Checking for terrorists by their looks is very surreal! http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/0...0180555554.html style_images/master/snapback.png major assumption: need to be in some database. what if they are not. boooooooooooooooooooooooooooom! Edited July 13, 2005 by armjan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted July 13, 2005 Report Share Posted July 13, 2005 So it turns out that the bombers were British born and bred. London bomb plot was bred in Britain Attackers identified as four young men with no known ties to radical politics By DOUG SAUNDERS AND ELIZABETH RENZETTI Tuesday, July 12, 2005 Updated at 9:24 PM EDT From Wednesday's Globe and Mail Thursday's terrorist attacks in London were carried out by four young suicide bombers, likely all British citizens, who had worked out of a hidden bomb factory in a Pakistani neighbourhood in northern England, police discovered yesterday. The revelations, made after a stunning series of raids, have alarmed North American and European security officials. This marks the first time that a Middle East-style suicide bombing has been carried out in the West in history, and the realization that the bombers may have been born and raised in Britain raises the possibility of a new sort of terrorism. The young men, aged between 18 and 30, had never previously been associated with Islamist terrorism or radical politics, police said, and were apparently unknown to intelligence officials despite years of investigations. Their friends and neighbours in Leeds described them as seemingly innocuous figures. In at least two cases, they appeared to live respectable, middle-class lives, playing sports and blending happily into their communities. Drawing on identification cards found at the bomb sites, security-camera footage and reports of missing youths coming from Yorkshire, police and heavily armed soldiers yesterday conducted a series of raids on houses in Leeds and other parts of Yorkshire, and the evacuation of the neighbourhood around a bomb-making safe house in Leeds. They also discovered an explosives-packed car outside a train station in suburban London, and arrested one man in Leeds on terrorism charges. Source & rest of article. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted July 13, 2005 Report Share Posted July 13, 2005 Yyyyyyiykes ... now it makes me wish I hadn't been born in England! I wonder if that makes me an Arab/Paki terror suspect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted July 13, 2005 Report Share Posted July 13, 2005 Sip jan you are a Prime terror suspect Bro your in USA and if you try to take a flight from LAX or BUR you will be searched Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted July 14, 2005 Report Share Posted July 14, 2005 ehhhhhhh Movses jan, you are married and probably get felt up every night. in order to get any action I have to go to the airport and get searched. baaa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted July 14, 2005 Report Share Posted July 14, 2005 This is "edasurc". What? Read it backwards. It may be somewaht delayed, say by a thousands years, but it is retaliation none the less.A thousands years ago Europeans went to the Midle East to punish the "infidels" and now those "infidels" are up to punish the "infidels". BTW, Did you know that suicide bombing was invented by... you guessed it. Remember the Ottoman Bank incident? style_images/master/snapback.png True! However, I think this time we Armenians should stay away and watch and have fun and drinks! Last time we foolishly joined the Crusaders we lost Cilicia, after that when we joined "Europe" we lost entire Western Armenia. Later, when we joined Russia we lost parts of Eastern Armenia. Let them kill each other! I can't care less... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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