The God Of Islam

[Armena]

In every period there were people who held the idea of a formless God. This idea was called Islam, literally 'peace.' Sometimes it disappeared and then it reappeared during the time of the different prophets. It materialized fully during the time of Muhammad, when a nation was formed which became the custodian of a religion whose main spirit was this idea. And this religion was called by the same name: Islam. Proof of this fact can be found in the name of the holy city Dar-e Salam, that is the Gate of Salam, or Islam, which is known in the West as Jerusalem. Thus this name existed long before the coming of Muhammad, but in the period of the Prophet Muhammad's message especially, great stress was put upon the idea of a formless God.

 

It is difficult for man to make God intelligible without giving Him a form. And yet a step higher in God-realization is to make Him intelligible beyond the limit of form. Therefore, in Islam God was made intelligible by His attributes. He was conceived of as the Creator, as Father, as Mother, as Sustainer, as Judge, as Forgiver, as the source and the Goal of this whole manifestation, as the One who is always with His creatures, within them, and outside them, who notices all their feelings, thoughts, and actions, who draws the line of man's fate, before whom man must appear to give his account ? this is the God of Islam.

 

Islam believed in only one God, who has many attributes but is yet beyond any attributes; invisible and beyond the comprehension of man, almighty, incomparable of one save He having any power beside Him, the Knower of all things and pure from all impurities, free from all things and yet never far from them, all abiding in Him and He living in all. The whole essential teaching of Islam, which is called Kalamat, tends to explain clearly the oneness of God. And yet the attributes are suggested, not in order to explain God, but with a view to making God intelligible to the human mind.

 

These attributes form what is called Sifat, the external part of God, which is intelligible to man. But that part of the divine Being which is hidden under attributes and which cannot be intelligible to the human mind is called Zat, which means real Being. The whole tendency of Islam has been to disentangle man's heart from such thoughts as limit and divide God, and to clear man's heart from duality which is the nature of this illusory world, bringing him to that at-one-ment with God which has been the real aim and intention of every religion.

[Armen]

Armena, if this is the Armenist view of Islam please post it in "Armenism" thread. Becasue there is a thread about Islam in religion section already, you could have posted it there. Thanks.

[Armena]

Armena, if this is the Armenist view of Islam please post it in "Armenism" thread. Becasue there is a thread about Islam in religion section already, you could have posted it there. Thanks.

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I have posted this so that people can read my point about this, so that they can go deeper in its content (if they want). For me it doesn't make diffrence where I have to post it specifically. I place it so that people can read it clearly.

 

If I understand you right, if there were a thread about ''Tashnagtsuchun'' a tashnag should post his/her view about something in this specific thread?

Don't get me wrong, its only a example...

[Armen]

We are just trying to keep things neat here. People are very attentive and they will notice it and read it with deep understanding in interested even if it is posted in one thread. There were Dashnags here posting the same way and they were asked to keep things simple too. Armena, it is just a technical matter and that's all. Realy...

[Armena]

Armena, it is just a technical matter and that's all. Realy...

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Indeed very easy to say

 

So we have to make threads with the political parties and everyone who belongs to that specific political party should only post him/her topic(s) or posts in there.

Brilliant idea Armen!

[Sasun]

Indeed very easy to say

 

So we have to make threads with the political parties and everyone who belongs to that specific political party should only post him/her topic(s) or posts in there.

Brilliant idea Armen!

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If I understand correctly Armen is saying that if there is a thread on Islam it is better to post in that thread. Not that if you are an Armenist you should post in an Armenist thread only. By the was, the word "islam" literally means surrender, and Islam is a religion of surrender to God. "Salam" means peace.

[Djrak]

"....Significantly, the greatest and most subtle theologian of the early church, St. John Damascene, was convinced that Islam was at root not a separate religion, but instead a form of Christianity. St. John had grown up in the Ummayad Arab court of Damascus, where his father was chancellor, and he was an intimate boyhood friend of the future Caliph al-Yazid; the two boys' drinking bouts in the streets of Damascus were the subject of much horrified gossip in the streets of the new Islamic capital. Later, in his old age, John took the habit at the desert monastery of Mar Saba where he began work on his great masterpiece, a refutation of heresies entitled the Fount of Knowledge. The book contains an extremely precise and detailed critique of Islam, the first ever written by a Christian, which, intriguingly, John regarded as a form of Christian heresy related to Arianism: after all Arianism, like Islam, denied the divinity of Christ. Although he lived at the very hub of the early Islamic world, it never seems to have occurred to him that Islam might be a separate religion. If a theologian of the stature of John Damascene was able to regard Islam as a new- if heretical- form of Christianity, it helps to explain how Islam was able to convert so much of the Middle Eastern population in so short a time, even though Christianity remained the majority religion until the time of the Crusades."

[hijabbed]

He was conceived of as the Creator, as Father, as Mother, as Sustainer, as Judge, as Forgiver, as the source and the Goal of this whole manifestation, as the One who is always with His creatures, within them, and outside them, who notices all their feelings, thoughts, and actions, who draws the line of man's fate, before whom man must appear to give his account ? this is the God of Islam.

 

Salam to all ( peace to all )

Muslims dont concieve God as Father and/or Mother . Muslims believe that God has no patners

he is not a Father/mother, Son/daughter. God (Allah) is the Creator of eveything, he is the Most high and so forth...

[gamavor]

Hey hijabebbesalamabdulkarimoglu,

 

Is farting allowed in Judaism/Islam?

[Sip]

Hey hijabebbesalamabdulkarimoglu,

 

Is farting allowed in Judaism/Islam?

 

I think in Islam, farting must stricly be performed in the direction pointing AWAY from Mecca. Though group farting is encouraged and practiced several times a day. Though I could be wrong.

[gamavor]

yeah, I thought so. Maybe before starting a prayer day carefully measure the power and the direction of the winds. Otherwise they may and up caught in a gas chamber!

[hijabbed]

I think in Islam, farting must stricly be performed in the direction pointing AWAY from Mecca. Though group farting is encouraged and practiced several times a day. Though I could be wrong.

 

Dude I hope you're trying to be funny. What you said is so bs.

[Yervant1]

Dude I hope you're trying to be funny. What you said is so bs.

Thanks for alerting me.

I thought he was dead serious.

[Yervant1]

I think in Islam, farting must stricly be performed in the direction pointing AWAY from Mecca. Though group farting is encouraged and practiced several times a day. Though I could be wrong.

Hey Sip stop spreading rumors like that, thanks to hijabhead I know better now.

[hijabbed]

Hey Sip stop spreading rumors like that, thanks to hijabhead I know better now.

hijabhead? oh i get it...HIJAB..HEAD..bwahahahaaaa....NO Its hijabi or hijabbed man. But if you believed what Sip said about the whole farting thing-then God help you! Man you'd believe anything LOL

[Yervant1]

hijabhead? oh i get it...HIJAB..HEAD..bwahahahaaaa....NO Its hijabi or hijabbed man. But if you believed what Sip said about the whole farting thing-then God help you! Man you'd believe anything LOL

My apologies I thought it was Hijabhead.

Yeh!!! the fart thing, God already helped me through you otherwise I would have thought that they really fart. I'm a very naive person and I usually believe in what people say in particularly Sip and Edward but I don't believe Mosjan he steals avatars so be careful hide your avatar or maybe put a hijab over it that way he might overlook it.

P.S. Be careful with Extra as well she helps him.

[hijabbed]

My apologies I thought it was Hijabhead.

Yeh!!! the fart thing, God already helped me through you otherwise I would have thought that they really fart. I'm a very naive person and I usually believe in what people say in particularly Sip and Edward but I don't believe Mosjan he steals avatars so be careful hide your avatar or maybe put a hijab over it that way he might overlook it.

P.S. Be careful with Extra as well she helps him.

 

LOL ok. But im not so naive so i'll have to see these 2 memers in action before I jump to any conclusions

[Sip]

I'm dead serious about the Islam thing. I think I read it in a book somewhere. I'll try to dig it up.

[Armenak]

LOL ok. But im not so naive so i'll have to see these 2 memers in action before I jump to any conclusions

Do you know who Wafa Sultan is?

[hijabbed]

I'm dead serious about the Islam thing. I think I read it in a book somewhere. I'll try to dig it up.

 

You sure you didnt read a book which is tryna riducule Islam?

 

Do you know who Wafa Sultan is?

 

Never heard of him

[Arpa]

Dear Hijabbed.

Is the hijab used to cover a woman's hair?

I have lived in Muslim countries and heard stories, in fact I have seen, that when a Muslim woman hears footsteps and sees a man approaching she will lift her skirt to cover her hair and in the process expose that other hair.

Is the word "hijab" based on "haj" and "ab(a)" , that is "pilgrimage coat"?

[Yervant1]

LOL ok. But im not so naive so i'll have to see these 2 memers in action before I jump to any conclusions

You are not naive, lucky you I wish I was like you.

Now tell me is it true what Arpa is telling us about those women who lift their dresses up to cover their head and expose their you know what?

[hijabbed]

Dear Hijabbed.

Is the hijab used to cover a woman's hair?

I have lived in Muslim countries and heard stories, in fact I have seen, that when a Muslim woman hears footsteps and sees a man approaching she will lift her skirt to cover her hair and in the process expose that other hair.

Is the word "hijab" based on "haj" and "ab(a)" , that is "pilgrimage coat"?

 

I seriously dont know where you guys are hearing these stories from. Its worrying because you're not able to understand the true meaning behind the actions/beliefs of Muslims.

 

Hijab or ħijāb (Arabic: حجاب) is the Arabic term for "barrier".

In some Arabic-speaking countries and Western countries, the word hijab primarily refers to a headscarf worn by many Muslim women. But in Islamic scholarship, hijab is usually taken to mean modest dress and demeanour in general. The word used in the Qu'ran for a headscarf or veil is khimar (Arabic: خمار).

 

The Hijab has many virtues. In fact the hijab is a virtue! It is an act of obedience, it is modesty, it is purity, it is a sheild against evil etc.

 

And the thing you mentioned about women covering their hair and revealing their private areas...that is total bs. what would be the point in that? its disgusting! if i was in such situation where i could only cover either my hair or my private areas-id cover my private areas. its simply logical...islam is logical.

 

Heres a link related to hijab ---> prohijab

[Arpa]

The Hijab has many virtues. In fact the hijab is a virtue! It is an act of obedience, it is modesty, it is purity, it is a shield against evil etc.

Listen! Hijab, he-jab, she-jab, left jab, right jab or whatever the "huck" jab your name is.

I could tell you what to do with your “hijab” but there are ladies here. Whether it is used to cover your private parts or your pubic , I mean public , regardless, you can stuff it up your…

We are Christians, we believe in the equality of genders, we have as many female saints as male ones, WE prefer them to be non-”obedient“ and non-”modest“, we would much rather have them as equals. How many female saints does your religion have? We don’t believe that the female be “obedient” and “modest“ but an equal partner. After all, our mothers and sisters are female.

We, Armenians need NOT!!! another god, allah, jehovah, deo, theo like another hole in our…. heads.

How dare you come in here, in this sacred house of HyeForum and preach to us about the virtues of Islam! Do we come to your mosque and preach about the virtues of the Jesus Cult, or would we be six feet under for doing so? You come here preaching about Islamic “tolerance” when we have lost so many preachers who even dared to preach to your kind.

There are as many gods, allahs as there are people, like 6 billion?

Please keep your “hijab” to cover your private and pubic areas and let us choose which allah to believe in. BTW. Allah is not a muslim invention, it was there, along with “elihu” even when the Arabs were polytheistic.

Of all the gods, allahs, deo-s and theo-s. Make a choice;

I have turned many a Jehovah’s and Mormons away from my door with words like, “Listen! We have been Christians long before you even learned to spell the word. Now! Get the hell out of my door before I call the police and claim harassment.

How many gods are there?

http://www.sanatansociety.org/hindu_gods_and_goddesses.htm

 

I would much rather have her. Observe her “hijab”;

http://www.lotussculpture.com/parvati1.htm

 

I just read an article in one the major weeklies about why some westerners are converting to Islam.

Please note that, regardless of the author’s conclusions, man of those so called “converts” were, at one time or other devout Christians subscribed to that Judeo-Christian mythological\BS and were disillusioned , unlike the likes of me, and 99.9 % Armenian agnostic who would not give a rat’s arse about Hebrew mythology. If one does not believe in that Hebrew BS why would one search another faith? Is not being alive and being 00000000001% (did I have enough zero’s?)of humanity enough!?

Here is that article. ;

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/...1229125,00.html

 

Allah's Recruits

Why more and more Westerners are converting to Islam and, in some cases, pursuing an extremist pathBy JUMANA FAROUKY / LONDON

Posted Sunday, Aug. 20, 2006

Jamal Harwood prays five times a day. He doesn't drink, smoke or eat pork. He's active in his local Muslim community, and he's very serious about the need for an Islamic state. But if you passed him on the street, you would have no idea. Not just because Harwood, a financial consultant in London, wears a suit instead of traditional Muslim dress. Or because he keeps his beard cropped fashionably close. But because he's white.

Born in Vancouver, Harwood used to be a model Christian, studying the Bible, attending church and taking religion classes at school. "But I had certain reservations," he says, "certain question marks in my mind--some theological, some societal--that I wanted to reconcile." He went to Southeast Asia to find himself and explored Islam there. At 25 he settled in London, where friends helped him learn more about the faith. A year later, he converted and soon joined Hizb ut-Tahrir, a political party known for its radical views that is banned in many Muslim countries. Harwood, 45, is now a spokesman for the group; he says it is opposed to terrorism. Although his life choices may make him an object of scrutiny by his government--Hizb ut-Tahrir has been on Britain's watch list since the July 2005 terrorist attacks in London--he has no regrets. "I found that Islam was giving me good, solid answers to my questions," he says. "It wasn't difficult for me to embrace it."

That sentiment rings true for growing numbers of Westerners, reared on other faiths or none at all, who are converting to Islam--despite the fact that relations between the Muslim world and the West have rarely seemed so strained. Although figures on conversions to Islam in Western countries are difficult to nail down, it's safe to say that Muslim converts in the U.S. and Europe number in the hundreds of thousands, and anecdotal evidence suggests the number is on the rise. The arrest of at least three English converts in the plot to blow up passenger jets over the Atlantic has raised the troubling possibility that jihadist groups may be drawing some of their most committed operatives from the pool of new believers. "When converts are trying to find their way in their new religion, they are vulnerable to the influence of extremists," says Didier-Yacine Beyens, former president of Belgium's Muslim Executive and a convert. "They can sometimes be persuaded by radical preachers who claim to represent the 'true' voice of Islam, when in fact they represent nothing of the sort."

The vast majority of converts are, like the vast majority of Muslims, moderates who reject the extremism espoused by al-Qaeda and its ilk. But as with any religion, converts to Islam tend to be more devout than those born into the faith. And it's indisputable that some converts do, in fact, become terrorists, including shoe-bomb suspect Richard Reid; Jose Padilla, the Chicago native arrested four years ago for involvement in an alleged al-Qaeda plot to detonate a radiological bomb; and Germaine Lindsay, a Jamaican-born Briton who was one of the suicide bombers who attacked the London Underground last summer. "Originally, jihadist groups were suspicious of converts because they saw them as a way for intelligence forces to infiltrate," says Gustavo de Aristegui, a Spanish terrorism expert and the author of Jihad in Spain. "But they're realizing that ... someone with a Western last name and blue eyes is going to raise fewer suspicions. Converts can be virtually impossible to detect, especially if they have not revealed their conversion to their family."

So why do they do it? In this day and age, what kind of person is prone to explore religious conversion? And what is the attraction of Islam? The three British converts arrested two weeks ago have three things in common: all are men, all are described by people who know them as friendly, regular guys, and all are in their 20s. But the similarities pretty much end there. According to accounts from friends, Don Stewart-Whyte, who changed his name to Abdul Waheed, converted six months ago, giving up drugs and alcohol. He grew a beard, shaved his head and started wearing traditional Islamic dress. Friends say Brian Young, who is of West Indian descent, was troubled by the decadence of Western society. Oliver Savant, now called Ibrahim, has been a Muslim for some seven years and, friends say, never mentioned politics. "He just talked about soccer and general chitchat," says a friend.

The reasons converts give for making the change vary widely. But one common refrain is that in an increasingly secular world in which society's rules get looser by the day, Islam provides a detailed moral map covering everything from friendships to protecting the environment. And for Western youths, taking up Islam can also serve as an outlet for rebellion. A majority of converts, especially in Western Europe, are in their late teens or 20s. "Islam is a kind of refuge for those who are downtrodden and disenfranchised because it has become the religion of the oppressed," says Farhad Khosrokhavar, a Paris professor and the author of several books on Muslim extremism. "Previously--say, 20 years ago--they may have chosen communism or gone to leftist ideologies. Now Islam is the religion of those who fight against imperialism, who are treated unjustly by the arrogant Western societies and so on."

There's another appeal to converting to Islam: it's relatively easy. In Catholicism and Judaism, the conversion process can involve years of preparation and study. In Islam, the process is called reversion (because islam literally means "submission to God," believers hold that everyone is born Muslim), and it's mainly a matter of uttering a two-line declaration of faith, the Shahadah. Say the Shahadah aloud in Arabic, and the conversion is complete.

But being newcomers to the faith doesn't spare converts from the suspicions and pressures faced by Muslims in the West today. Ali Khan, the national director of the American Muslim Council in Chicago, says he once had to convince a recent convert's wife, who wasn't Muslim, that her husband wouldn't suddenly become a terrorist. "A lot of their families freak out at first," Khan says. He says another convert had to reassure his brother, who asked, "You're not going to kill me in my sleep, are you?" And yet there's little evidence that negative perceptions of Islam--fewer than 20% of Americans say they have a positive image of the religion, according to one poll--have had any effect on the rate of conversion. Instead, since 9/11, some mosques have seen a jump in the number of people converting to Islam. "Awareness of Islam is much greater now, whether positive or negative, than it was prior to September 11," says Khan. "People are becoming curious. Sometimes it starts when they just walk into a bookshop and start reading a Koran after hearing George Bush talking about it."

Ultimately, the path that most converts choose will be determined by the outcome of the larger struggle within Islam, between the forces of moderation and extremism. Abdula, 22, a tall, bearded Londoner of Ghanaian descent, was a devout Christian until a university friend introduced him to Islam. "I started researching more about it to try and find its faults," he says. "But I couldn't, and I was captured." Abdula (who won't give his last name) officially converted eight months ago. He supports equality for women and condemns terrorism, but he acknowledges that his perspective on the world is still taking shape. "These are my views, and you must understand they might not be correct because I'm always in need of guidance." The challenge for the West is to makes sure men like Abdula get the right kind

 

PLEASE GIVE UP! WE ARE ARMENIANS. WE DON'T NEED ALLAH, JEHOVAH, VISHNA OR ANY OTHER SHITVAH TO BE WHAT WE ARE. WE ARE WHAT WE ARE, NO MATTER ALLAH, JEHOVAH OR ANY OTHER SHITOVAH. AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT LIFT UP YOUR HIJAB TO COVER YOUR HEAD EVEN IF IN THE PROCESS EXPOSING YOUR PUBIC AREA.

And please don't tell me about the modesty of Muslim?Persian women. I have known them, not really, but some of my classmates have how flimsy and removable their "hijabs" are. I can name names.

Edited August 26, 2006 by Arpa

[Zartonk]

it is a sheild against evil

 

The evil of the human features, attraction, interaction and the unheard ability of looking beyond sex when seeing hair, is it not? I think what's evil is the level of perversion that is needed to excite man into doing the "immoral act" upon seeing the "special shine that hair reflects" -and that's how the Quran beaks it down-

AND the silent pervert that is the result of being reminded of his "sinnister nature" everytime he lays eyes on that screaming piece of fabric ceovering every one of the gentle sex, from the age of nine upwards.

 

its simply logical...islam is logical.

 

Sexual discrimination, polygomy, enslavement, dishonesty in intrapersonal faith and moral, the matter of the perfect divine as one with the rule of man's imperfect state, mandatory intolerance of "infidels" with permission and blessing of violence as repercussion...

 

All logical.

 

 

 

Facts first, tolerance second.

Edited August 27, 2006 by Zartonk