Planned, Organized,executed Genocide Of Armenians

[Verginne]

The Planned, Organized,

Executed Genocide

Of Armenians

By Jack Manuelian

3-27-5

 

 

Were the plans of the 1915-23 Armenian Genocide actually drawn up and were in place by the year 1910 or 1912? According to some sources, definitely yes.

 

There is the book Inner Folds of the Ottoman Revolution written by Mevlan Zadeh Rifat and published in 1929, the author, a pro-sultan Turk, claims that the "Armenian genocide was decided in August 1910 and October 1911, by a Young Turk committee composed entirely of displaced Balkan Jews in the format of a syncretist Jewish-Muslim sect which included Talaat, Enver, Behaeddin Shakir, Jemal, and Nizam posting as Muslims. It met in the Rothschild-funded Grand Orient loge/hotel of Salonika." Syncretism means a combination of different forms of belief or practice; masonism fits that description.

 

A 1994 conference paper/lecture by Joseph Brewda of Schiller Institute entitled Palmerson launches Young Turks to permanently control Middle East claims the founder of the Young Turks to be a certain Jew by the name of Emmanuel Carasso. He states: "Carasso set up the Young Turk secret society in the 1890s in Salonika, then part of Turkey, and now part of Greece. Carasso was also the grand master of an Italian masonic lodge there, called 'Macedonia Resurrected.' The lodge was the headquarters of the Young Turks, and all the top Young Turk leadership were members."

 

Further on Mr. Brewda says: "During the Young Turk regime, Carasso continued to play a leading role. He met with the sultan, to tell him that he was overthrown. He was in charge of putting the sultan under house arrest. He ran the Young Turk intelligence network in the Balkans. And he was in charge of all food supplies in the empire during World War I." It is ironic that five centuries after the Turkish sultans welcomed the expelled European Jews into Turkey, certain Jews belonging to secret societies and to Zionism will kick the sultans out of power early in 20th century, destroy the Ottoman Empire, and celebrate their victory by massacring by proxy almost the whole Christian Armenian people, one million and half Armenians; half million Greeks; and half million Christian Assyrians & Arameans.

 

Mr. Brewda writes: "Another important area was the press. While in power, the Young Turks ran several newspapers, including 'The Young Turk,' whose editor was none other than the Russian Zionist leader Vladimir Jabotinsky. Jabotinsky had been educated as a young man in Italy."

 

Mr. Brewda, ignoring the possibility that Talaat could have been a secret infiltrated Jew, writes: "Of course, there were also some Turks who helped lead the Young Turk movement. For example, Talaat *****. Talaat was the interior minister and dictator of the regime during World war I. He had been a member of Carasso's Italian masonic lodge in Salonika. One year prior to the 1908 coup, Talaat became the grand master of the Scottish Rite Masons in the Ottoman Empire. If you go to the [archives of] Scottish Rite headquarters in Washington, D.C., you can find that most of the Young Turk leaders were officials in the Scottish Rite."

 

Mr. Brewda also mentions the novel Greenmantle, whose hero is a British spy who led the Young Turks, and that the book's author, John Buchan, later identified the novel's hero as the English nobleman Aubrey Herbert, who was the top British spy master in the Middle East during WW I. And that Lawrence of Arabia later identified Herbert as having been, at one time, the head of the Young Turks. According to Mr. Brewda, Carasso also appears in that novel under the name Carusso.

 

By 1916 the British and French, overpowered by greed, already had a secret agreement to divide the Ottoman Empire between themselves. Presently Hitler's Mien Kempt anti-semitic book is a best-seller in Turkey, it is published by various Turkish publishers by the thousands and thousands. Are the Turks finally waking up and realizing that their Sultan's refusal to grant Palestine to the Zionist Jews as a homeland had cost them their centuries- old empire?

 

Talaat was a living witness to the Genocide and history. He should not have been assassinated. His silencing for good by hot-tempered Armenians only served those who planned and executed the Genocide. Had he been left alone, who knows he might have confessed everything at his old age or at his deathbed.

 

Another conspiratorial source is the lengthy article The Armenian & Jewish Genocide Project: Eliminating Ethnic Conflict Along the Oil Route From Baku to the Suez Canal Region written by Clifford Shack and posted in his web-site.

 

Mr. Shack writes: "In the 1880's, the French branch of the Rothschild family acquired interests in Russia's Baku oil fields in an effort to supply their refinery on the Adriatic with cheap Russian oil. In exchange for these interests they built a railroad linking Baku to the newly acquired Black Sea port of Batum. This opened up the Baku oil, a major world supply, to the world. With the success of the new railroad, the Rothschilds had more oil than they could actually sell. Overcoming their fear of competing with the giant Standard oil [of USA], they sought out the huge [Far East] markets east of Suez."

 

Further on Mr. Shack makes his point: "The decision by the shrewd French Rothschild branch to diversify into other areas of oil exploitation was, presumably, a calculated one. Three years after they joined Royal Dutch, production at Baku would come to an abrupt halt in 1905. Although shaken by political activity, the principal disruption was due to the violence of the ethnic conflict between the region's Muslims and the minority population of Armenians who are Christians. This ethnic conflict caused the first interruption of oil distribution to the world market. Standard oil was quick to supplant the needs of the effected markets as its source was operating under the blanket of peace. The Royal/Dutch/Shell Group (and the Nobles) watched their Baku investments go up in flames. Ethnic conflict was at the root of the matter. It could be safely assumed that they were taking measures to eliminate the possibility of that happening in the future." Oil corporations seem to have learned their lessons from history because before the construction of present-day Baku-Ceyhan pipeline has began, someone has made sure that no Armenians were left in Baku anymore. Although the Armenian threat to that pipeline has been neutralized, yet there is still A Turkish ultra-nationalist revival threat, and a threat from Iran if Iran comes under attack from USA or Israel. There is a very clean prophecy of Nostradamus stating: "By firepower of armies, not far from the Black Sea, he will come from Persia/Iran to occupy Trebizond." Trebizond is located at the shore of the Black Sea and its occupation will virtually cut the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline in half. Another prophecy of Nostradamus reads: "Toward Persia/Iran a sizable army of a million. The serpent Satan invading Byzantium and Egypt." Byzantium & Egypt could be a mystical name for modern Istanbul asSodom & Egypt is the mystical name given for Jerusalem in the book Revelation 11:8.

 

Mr. Shack notes that "the mere elimination of the Armenian population of Baku would not solve the problem of ethnic conflict in that region. The surrounding areas would provide reservoir effect in resupplying the conflicting minority element." And he asks: "was the removal [in 1915-23] of a small minority like the Armenians [from historical Armenia] a fair price to pay for the peace in a region so crucial to the development and investment of the Far East?" Apparently Mr. Shack ignores the factor of revenge raging in the heart of human beasts.

 

Mr. Shacks answers his own question by stating in his article about the big business or big corporations: "It would be fair to say that the genocide of a group of a million or so, to serve the benefit of a billion or so [in the Far East], is less of a question of should it be done, than how it could be done. So as not to reveal any plausible motive which could link the actual planners to the genocide, the scheme involved a proxy party [namely the muslim Turks, Kurds & Azeris] , which was manipulated through layers of influence, providing sufficient cover for the planners."

 

The fool said in his ignorance, "There was no planned and organized and executed genocide of the Armenians."

 

In chapter 30 of the book of Isaiah, we read God speaking by His prophet: "Woe to the rebellious children, who execute a plan, but not Mine, and make an alliance, but not of My Spirit, in order to add sin to sin;...For this is a rebellious people, false sons, sons who refuse to listen to the instruction of the Lord."

 

March 27, 2005

Jack Manuelian

manuelian@hotmail.com

 

 

Note - this article is NOT copyrighted. Anyone can duplicate in any form. - Jack Manuelian)

http://www.rense.com/general63/armen.htm

[phantom22]

A fairly credible article UNTIL the author Manuelian begins quoting Nostradamus and various biblical quotations, at which point his credibilty "goes flying out of the window."

[Dave]

A bit about Nostradamus and his book.

[Artsakh]

Armenians are a powerful bunch. They kicked not only the dunmeh Jews a s s, but also masonry's a s s. We had the Turks beat after going through genocide, only when doubleteamed by the Bolshevick commies and the Kemalist Turks were we subdued, but not destroyed. As if we hadn't had enough, Then we went on to kick the Soviets a s s during the rebellion of Febuary and send them running out of our country. Ah, the examples are many. Geez, we truly do rule.

[Verginne]

Armenians are a powerful bunch.  They kicked not only the dunmeh Jews a s s, but also masonry's a s s.  We had the Turks beat after going through genocide, only when doubleteamed by the Bolshevick commies and the Kemalist Turks were we subdued, but not destroyed.  As if we hadn't had enough, Then we went on to kick the Soviets a s s during the rebellion of Febuary and send them running out of our country.  Ah, the examples are many.  Geez, we truly do rule.

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The azeris were and still are crying about their beating

[ED]

Ah heck, if only Armenia had what azeris have, natural resources, OL.

but got to admit, in a rock pile, which now days ROA is, in 14 years Armenia is the most prosperous and vibrant among 3 republics in the region, if only world would not have had British in it, today’s picture would of been so deferent.

[DominO123]

Ah heck, if only Armenia had what azeris have, natural resources, OL.

but got to admit, in a rock pile, which now days ROA is, in 14 years Armenia is the most prosperous and vibrant among 3 republics in the region, if only world would not have had British in it, today’s picture would of been so deferent.

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Without the British, Armenia would be two time the size it is, it would had access to a Sea. The conflict of Artsax would not exist.

 

This thing would have ended with the 1878 war, The Russians would have advanced and taken over Ottoman Armenia.

 

Armenia would have been an Armenia of 15 million Armenians, and a super power in the region.

 

The British had to screw things up for their durty self interests.

Edited May 17, 2005 by QueBeceR

[Armen]

Without the British, Armenia would be two time the size it is, it would had access to a Sea. The conflict of Artsax would not exist.

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QB, I never thought you're into conspiracy theories.

[DominO123]

QB, I never thought you're into conspiracy theories.

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Armen, the Russians were to take the rest of Eastern Anatolia in 1878, had the British not intervened.

 

In 1919, the British forced the local Artsax administration to temporary leave Artsax in the hand of an Azeris administration, and their army just left the place, the Turks organized, and with the complot, Artsax ended up in the hand of the Azeris.

 

Without the British, Armenia today would be a powerful State, and the genocide would not have happened.

 

When have they moved a finger to stop any massacres? They yapped in 1894-1896, and haven't moved a finger. They had warships stationed in the Sea in 1909, with Canons pointing to Adana, few shot they would have destroyed immunitions from the Baraks and threatned the new administration to move, preventing the buring of thousands of people, they have done nothing.

 

The Ottoman knew the British were only good at yapping and secure their own interests. When in May 1915, the British warned the Ottoman, the Ottoman were laughing up their @ss, knowing that nothing would be done.

 

Later, they have secured their oil interests in Baku, placing Urquhart specifically there, to backup Azeris claims of massacres, to justify their pro-Azeris position and leave the place abrutly, knowing well that the American mandate to replace them was taking in effect, later, and that it would hijack the entire plan.

 

Like this was not enough they freed the Malta prisoners, because they considered the life of each British prisoners more worthy than hundreds of thousands of Armenians.

 

And those same Brits houses among them the worst Western deniers of the Armenian genocide, that don't need to get pied to deny, as well as the deniers of the British brutalities around the world, during their so-called colonisation periods.

 

The British are with the Ottoman government, and its newborn Turkey, responsable of the Armenian genocide. I think the British responsability could be considered more direct than the German responsability.

Edited May 17, 2005 by QueBeceR

[gamavor]

The British are with the Ottoman government, and its newborn Turkey, responsable of the Armenian genocide. I think the British responsability could be considered more direct than the German responsability.

 

[Artaxias]

I agree. In fact it was them that stopped the Greeks when they were about to take Ankara.

[Z'areh]

Artaxias, you mean Constantinople/Istanbul, did the Greek army reach Ankara?

 

Have you read Oliver Baldwin's "Three prisons two revolutions"?

[Armen]

http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=9538

 

QB, I kind of had a different impression on your perspective from our discussion in this topic. You almost changed my opinion then

[DominO123]

http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=9538

 

QB, I kind of had a different impression on your perspective from our discussion in this topic. You almost changed my opinion then

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I don't seem to find the link between those two threads, one is about evidences of the Armenian genocide, from German vs British sources, while this is about who is more to be blamed for what happened to the Armenians.

 

Just to remind you, that this was one of my worst conflicts with Steve, because my position against the Brits has always been a hard judgement of their disgusting actions. And this could be found in this forum and others.

[gamavor]

Further on Mr. Shack makes his point: "The decision by the shrewd French Rothschild branch to diversify into other areas of oil exploitation was, presumably, a calculated one. Three years after they joined Royal Dutch, production at Baku would come to an abrupt halt in 1905. Although shaken by political activity, the principal disruption was due to the violence of the ethnic conflict between the region's Muslims and the minority population of Armenians who are Christians. This ethnic conflict caused the first interruption of oil distribution to the world market. Standard oil was quick to supplant the needs of the effected markets as its source was operating under the blanket of peace. The Royal/Dutch/Shell Group (and the Nobles) watched their Baku investments go up in flames. Ethnic conflict was at the root of the matter. It could be safely assumed that they were taking measures to eliminate the possibility of that happening in the future." Oil corporations seem to have learned their lessons from history because before the construction of present-day Baku-Ceyhan pipeline has began, someone has made sure that no Armenians were left in Baku anymore. Although the Armenian threat to that pipeline has been neutralized, yet there is still A Turkish ultra-nationalist revival threat, and a threat from Iran if Iran comes under attack from USA or Israel. There is a very clean prophecy of Nostradamus stating: "By firepower of armies, not far from the Black Sea, he will come from Persia/Iran to occupy Trebizond." Trebizond is located at the shore of the Black Sea and its occupation will virtually cut the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline in half. Another prophecy of Nostradamus reads: "Toward Persia/Iran a sizable army of a million. The serpent Satan invading Byzantium and Egypt." Byzantium & Egypt could be a mystical name for modern Istanbul asSodom & Egypt is the mystical name given for Jerusalem in the book Revelation 11:8.

 

Ush gam ganogh bidi ******* ays shuner@! Don't worry!

 

Not much have changed since then. The actors are different. Bush does not represent the American people but the Oil companies, who use American tax dollars to wage wars and reserve for themselves the right to sell petrol to those same taxpayers. It is a business that you cannot lose, because always have an open end - the tax dollars.

 

As to the elimination of the Armenians in Baku - CIA agents were recruiting afghan mujahedins and Islamic mercenaries to fight against Armenians in Karabagh. By today’s' standard those mercenaries would have been called - 'teghoghists'. Trained and armed with American tax dollars.

Edited May 18, 2005 by gamavor

[Nakharar]

Artaxias, you mean Constantinople/Istanbul, did the Greek army reach Ankara?

 

Have you read Oliver Baldwin's "Three prisons two revolutions"?

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They were at the gates of Ankara but were beaten back by the Turks.

[Nakharar]

I don't seem to find the link between those two threads, one is about evidences of the Armenian genocide, from German vs British sources, while this is about who is more to be blamed for what happened to the Armenians.

 

Just to remind you, that this was one of my worst conflicts with Steve, because my position against the Brits has always been a hard judgement of their disgusting actions. And this could be found in this forum and others.

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That Steve was finding a justification for every British blunder you could mention. He even went so far as to expect gratitude from their ex-colonials for their apparently "benevolent" rule. Plus he was on the wrong side on many issues. Taking the side of the Serbs who hardly fit the concept of British civility and what not.

[Stormig]

The discontent of Serbs is entirely justified, IMO. Overlooking what is being and has been done to them is unfair.

As for Brits, don't forget the Boer Wars and how concentration camps were conceptualised.

[Nakharar]

Whatever misfortune befell the Serbs is hardly a justification for their genocide in Bosnia and their failed ethnic cleansing in Kosovo. That's the sort of logic denialist Turks use to rationalize the "deportations" in 1915.

[Nakharar]

"It was a civil war" and "Armenians were massacring us" is hardly a valid reason for what the Turks did in 1915. Nor are Serbian sob stories about their massacres by the Ustashe during WWII reason enough to mete out their vicious wrath on innocent Bosnians.

[Z'areh]

In all of human history all military actions are aimed at inflicting maximum "damage" upon the "enemy".

 

Depending on the circumstance the totality of any action can be matched by the degree of the perceived or real threat of the "enemy".

 

I quote the word "damage" which is a euphemism for the unlimited scope of destruction: physical, material, psychological and territorial.

 

The "enemy" on the other can be all those who are marked for destruction, whether it is in the form of a sign (Star of David) or whether they go to church or a mosque or wear a turban.

 

We keep saying that only the severest punishment can effectively curtail such actions, but then the question arises: who's going to punish whom?

 

Genocides will occur in the future, and Armenians are not totally immune from a similar recurrence or an attempt.

Edited May 18, 2005 by Z'areh

[Stormig]

Whatever misfortune befell the Serbs is hardly a justification for their genocide in Bosnia and their failed ethnic cleansing in Kosovo. That's the sort of logic denialist Turks use to rationalize the "deportations" in 1915.

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I do not recall trying to justify Serb misactions or even saying anything about them. I am merely calling a spade, a spade, pure and simple. In fact, overlooking what is being done to Serbs, especially those in Kossovo, IN THE NOW, because of these misactions, is hardly just. Why must any mention of atrocities against Serbs come with a free gift of "but they did such and such"? THAT is the sort of logic denialists use. "But they did such and such"...

[Nakharar]

I was referring to what the Serbs did today. Not yesterday, nor the day after. What has happened before and after that is taking things out of context. We can use reverse logic in any given circumstance. There is no right or wrong in these matters. It's a chicken or egg question really. Edited May 19, 2005 by Nakharar

[Stormig]

What the Serbs of Kossovo face today is due to the demonisation and villification from the nineties. Not to mention that there are few left in the Krajina. I'd rather someone put in a word for them, not very warped if possible, to give the whole picture than overlook the facts because they don't measure up in their actions elsewhere.

[Nakharar]

True. But the Serb irrationality and warmongering of the 1990s is a class in itself. It should be studied further and serve as a lesson and warning to those who would attempt such follies. The Serbs remind me of the late 19th century Ottoman mindset or Hitler's Wahnvorstellung about constantly encroaching enemies trying to dissolve their very existence and thinking that everything is at stake they become the butchers of millions. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. I can understand it, but they sure don't deserve anyone's sympathy. The Krajina Serbs are the least to complain when they established their ethnically cleansed puppet state on Croatian soil. They should have seen it coming. They reaped what they sowed.