Jews, Biggest Hypocrits And Copycats

[TMNT]

March of Living marks Holocaust

More than 18,000 people have taken part in the annual March of the Living between the notorious Auschwitz and Birkenau death camps in Poland.

It comes 60 years after the camps were liberated by Soviet troops.

 

More than one million people, most of them European Jews, were murdered by Nazi Germany in the two camps.

 

Israeli PM Ariel Sharon, addressing the marchers, called for people to remember that the world stood by while six million Jews died in the Holocaust.

 

Speaking at a memorial gathering at Birkenau after the march, he said: "Remember the victims and remember the murderers.

 

HISTORY OF AUSCHWITZ

Construction began in 1940 on site which grew to 40 sq km (15 sq mile)

At least 1.1 million deaths, one million of them Jewish

Other victims included Poles, Roma (Gypsies), Soviet POWs, homosexuals, disabled people and dissidents

Of 7,000 Nazi guards, 750 were prosecuted and punished after the war

 

 

"Remember how millions of Jews were led to their deaths and the world remained silent."

 

Organisers said this year's march was the biggest yet.

 

The 3km (2-mile) event, marking Holocaust Remembrance Day, began in 1988.

 

It symbolises the death marches that took place when the Germans began emptying the camps and forcing prisoners to walk hundreds of kilometres in freezing weather with little food. Thousands died on the marches. [HMM...DOES THIS REMIND YOU OF ANYTHING?]

 

Mr Sharon was accompanied to southern Poland by 20 Holocaust survivors and 20 of their grandchildren, who are serving in the Israeli army.

 

"With me are Holocaust survivors. Men and women who survived persecution, torture, mental and physical degradation; true heroes who experience the death marches, the deportations and searches, who survived ghettos, Auschwitz, Buchenwald... concentration and death camps whose monstrous names are carved in blood in the history of our people," he said.

 

The prime ministers of Poland and Hungary also took part in the event. Some 450,000 Hungarian Jews were killed at Auschwitz.

 

Story from BBC NEWS:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/europe/4515537.stm

 

Published: 2005/05/05 16:22:23 GMT

 

© BBC MMV

[Sip]

Jews, Biggest Hypocrits And Copycats, Sorry, but this is just wrong

 

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March of Living marks Holocaust

More than 18,000 people have taken part in the annual March of the Living between the notorious Auschwitz and Birkenau death camps in Poland.

It comes 60 years after the camps were liberated by Soviet troops.

 

More than one million people, most of them European Jews, were murdered by Nazi Germany in the two camps.

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Are you actually trying to say that Jews are copycats for having their genocide after us?

Edited May 5, 2005 by Sip

[Nakharar]

They make it seem like their suffering is unique, sort of like the "immaculate" conception. Edited May 5, 2005 by Nakharar

[gamavor]

I don't understand what you are talking about? What Holohoax?

[ED]

No Sip, it does not mean that, but the stand of official Israeli government and Jewish lobby which works so vigorously against us Armenians gives rise to such a views among many, but it is also very important to realize this is just a political agenda for Israel and the lobbyists, there are many Jewish scholars and historians which in fact are fighting to get AG recognized around the world, and

 

One more very important factor for Israeli official stand in this matter, Israel never had such a neoconservative (this goes for ideological values and interests ONLY and it has nothing to do for Jewish people nor future of Israel) government, sharonits and likudniks have such a long arm it reaches to the white house, and as seen in the past and in present, this kind of ideologists would stop at nothing, nothing is sacred nor nobody is important accept the ideology in which they thrive.

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[kumkap]

for one moment, i am speaking as just a human being and not an armenian. check this out, and ask yourself, how can people whose grandparents went to the gas chambers even think of doing this. what does the word extirmination mean:

 

Amnesty: West Bank Farms Poisoned

 

or this

 

Iman Darwish al-Hams

[vava]

Fundamentalists and radicals exists everywhere - in every ethnic group, religious group, nationalist group and whatever other 'group'..... be they jews, blacks, whites, chinese, islamists, christians etc. etc. etc.

Edited May 6, 2005 by vava

[kumkap]

Fundamentalists and radicals exists everywhere - in every ethnic group, religious group, nationalist group and whatever other 'group'..... be they jews, blacks, whites, chinese, islamists, christians etc. etc. etc.

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yes and if you don't stop them they can go on to commit genocide and other types of egregious crimes. you try to identify them so you can stop it before it happens.

[vava]

yes and if you don't stop them they can go on to commit genocide and other types of egregious crimes.  you try to identify them so you can stop it before it happens.

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In that case - identify the fundamentalists - don't throw an entire ethnic group into one basket and sit and complain about how 'they' control everything...

[Stormig]

Gotta credit the internet junkies who invented the concept "guilt by group-association" - though they haven't named it yet.

[Verginne]

Gotta credit the internet junkies who invented the concept "guilt by group-association" - though they haven't named it yet.

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It's calling aiding and abetting, it's called complicity after the fact.

 

If you pay somebody to murder someone, you are BOTH guilty of the crime.

 

So if they, and they all do, financially or otherwise support these organizations doing all this stuff, they also share in the guilt.

 

Any more intelligent, intellectual comments????

[vava]

... So if they, and they all do, ...

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See, that's the problem right there.

[ED]

See, that's the problem right there.

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It’s a disease Vava,

these kinds hate more of there own then anybody else

[TMNT]

Fundamentalists and radicals exists everywhere - in every ethnic group, religious group, nationalist group and whatever other 'group'..... be they jews, blacks, whites, chinese, islamists, christians etc. etc. etc.

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My only intention was the show the hypocrisy of Israel and the Jewish lobby, which represents the Jewish people like the Armenian lobby represents Armenians. As long as they support Turkey, I have a right to criticize them. As long as they lobby against our interests, I can criticize their actions. Don't worry, seeing as to how they have a "unconditional relationship" with Turkey, I doubt my criticism will hamper Armenian-Jewish relations.

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[Stormig]

Any more intelligent, intellectual comments????

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No, that was my best shot and you flat out smashed me.

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[Armen]

One of the best things Jews have achieved is that everyone talks about them all the time. Edited May 8, 2005 by Armen

[Boghos]

1. "Jews" or any other "conspirators" are not responsible for the fact that the AG has not been recognized by the US or accepted by Turkey.

2. They have their Holocaust to commemorate, we have our own tragedy.

3. Realpolitik is something that we should by now have gotten used to. It is our own loss that we haven´t and was probably the cause of much grief for Armenians in the past.

4. Simplistic interpretations and explanations, outrage for obvious and rehashed themes with only a faint connection to our agenda, just show that we have a long way to go.

[vava]

4. Simplistic interpretations and explanations, outrage for obvious and rehashed themes with only a faint connection to our agenda, just show that we have a long way to go.

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As usual Boghos, you summed it up quite concisely.

Especially point 4 above; it always saddens me to see Armenians focusing their (potentially) valuable time and energy on such tired, useless subjects.

[Verginne]

1. "Jews" or any other "conspirators" are not responsible for the fact that the AG has not been recognized by the US or accepted by Turkey.

 

WRONG WRONG WRONG. Why are you LYING????? We all know that jewish lobbies put immense pressure on the US NOT to allow the AG to be recognized and this effort was finally successful with the direct intervention on Shimon Peres. Don't be telling us you never read the reports. As for the AG being accepted by turkey, we don't need turkey to accept it, just the entire international community.

 

2. They have their Holocaust to commemorate, we have our own tragedy.

 

The HOLOCAUST was the Armenian Genocide and why would you have the audacity to refer to a fake jewish "holocaust" while you, like the turks and jews, refer to the AG as a "tragedy"????????

 

3. Realpolitik is something that we should by now have gotten used to. It is our own loss that we haven´t and was probably the cause of much grief for Armenians in the past.

 

jewish denials and efforts against Armenian Genocide recognition have NOTHING to do with Realpolitik. If that were so, why would it have started way long before there was ever an israel????

 

4. Simplistic interpretations and explanations, outrage for obvious and rehashed themes with only a faint connection to our agenda, just show that we have a long way to go.

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Faint connection?????? It is simple enough for anyone HONEST to see who is actively and primarily working against your interests. Why are you desperately trying to obfuscate it if not for your only true concern, protecting jews?? Isn't that your real agenda?

[Sip]

The HOLOCAUST was the Armenian Genocide and why would you have the audacity to refer to a fake jewish "holocaust" while you, like the turks and jews, refer to the AG as a "tragedy"????????

 

All you deniers make me http://www.spitakmard.com/images/smilies/barf.gif

[Artaxias]

All you deniers make me http://www.spitakmard.com/images/smilies/barf.gif

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It's funny whenever the Armenian Genocide is discussed on their forums, the 0.5% that don't deny it never actually attack the deniers they just argue about it like anything else. Why are you so emotional over their holohoax? Even if it did occur, why should we accept it when they deny the Genocide and work collectively against its recognition by others?

Shouldn't the interest of your people be a piority for you?

[vava]

you people need help

[Sip]

Holocaust denier, AG denier, it's all the same. It's the same idiotic mental state of not being able to distinguish reality from self propagating fiction.

[Sasun]

Even if it did occur, why should we accept it when they deny the Genocide and work collectively against its recognition by others?

They do wrong, but we should do right.

Shouldn't the interest of your people be a piority for you?

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How is it in the intereset of our people to deny other people's genocide?

It is pointless and dishonest.

[Artaxias]

They do wrong, but we should do right.

 

Lets be realistic shall we. Only weaklings turn the other cheek.

Not to mention that you make them taste their own kaka.

 

How is it in the intereset of our people to deny other people's genocide?

It is pointless and dishonest.

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If it's in their interest to appease turks and at the same time promote uniqueness, it's in our interest to appease Iranians and Syrians and promote the uniqueness of the AG.