Sasun Posted April 29, 2005 Report Share Posted April 29, 2005 Very often HyeForum sees newcomers who start off with posting propaganda style posts denying the Armenian Genocide, or they start arguing trying to convince us that the Genocide did not happen. Sometimes they do that because they don't know better, other times because they have an agenda, or so we suspect. At any rate, such attempts always raise controversies, stir fights in our forum, and insult the memory of our ancestors. We don't want any of these. To avoid such scenarios, there have been suggestions to ban Genocide deniers from HyeForum membership. Please vote and let us know how you feel about this question. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted April 29, 2005 Report Share Posted April 29, 2005 Place of residence, IP address, ....I will take care for the rest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted April 29, 2005 Report Share Posted April 29, 2005 I disagree with an 'automatic' ban - we are not a facist society. Trolls, however are a different story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted April 29, 2005 Report Share Posted April 29, 2005 I disagree with an 'automatic' ban - we are not a facist society. Trolls, however are a different story. style_images/master/snapback.png Exactly! Plus, we will have the advantage of ridiculing, mocking, denying, or, accusing, charging, and cursing, etc. for political purposes other Genocides, whenever this is expedient, exactly in the same manner the "civilized" West is playing with the AG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted April 29, 2005 Report Share Posted April 29, 2005 Exactly! Plus, we will have the advantage of ridiculing, mocking, denying, or, accusing, charging, and cursing, etc. for political purposes other Genocides, whenever this is expedient, exactly in the same manner the "civilized" West is playing with the AG. style_images/master/snapback.png OK Gems, we'll see if we can make a special section, other then Genocide section, just for you to do all this things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted April 29, 2005 Report Share Posted April 29, 2005 OK Gems, we'll see if we can make a special section, other then Genocide section, just for you to do all this things style_images/master/snapback.png I need two good looking 18-26 female assistants, whome I have to instruct personally about the content of the new section! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted April 30, 2005 Report Share Posted April 30, 2005 Than el che p@rthats Matsun Forumi Admin@ female assistant chuni ur mnats qez tanq en el 2 Hat > two good looking 18-26 female assistants Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted April 30, 2005 Report Share Posted April 30, 2005 (edited) I voted 4. That does not mean that trolls should be accepted, it just mean that I think someone should have the right to question the genocide, as long as I am given the right to answer back. It is not by silencing that we will achieve anything, but by educating people. We should not fall in the same game as the Turkish nationalist elit impose upon the Turkish population, by silencing the critics. Edited April 30, 2005 by QueBeceR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verginne Posted April 30, 2005 Report Share Posted April 30, 2005 I voted 4. That does not mean that trolls should be accepted, it just mean that I think someone should have the right to question the genocide, as long as I am given the right to answer back. It is not by silencing that we will achieve anything, but by educating people. We should not fall in the same game as the Turkish nationalist elit impose upon the Turkish population, by silencing the critics. style_images/master/snapback.png I voted 3, as I did not want to preclude the option of banning the more obnoxious trolls/deniers. Sometimes you really feel like beating on them, sometimes you don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted April 30, 2005 Report Share Posted April 30, 2005 we dont want to know who voted for what number, just vote and lets get this thing over with. I hate to see this tunring to be to be another "chit chat" section in this forum PS, Movses, is there a time limit to this pole? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted April 30, 2005 Report Share Posted April 30, 2005 I voted for (3)... I feel that (1) and (2) are very close in streak, so, like Vava, I believe that trolls and nasties are where the line should be drawn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esayan Posted April 30, 2005 Report Share Posted April 30, 2005 I voted 3, as it seems the most logical one. However, bear in mind that deniers who go to the extent of joining this forum are not educatable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted April 30, 2005 Report Share Posted April 30, 2005 I voted 3, as it seems the most logical one. However, bear in mind that deniers who go to the extent of joining this forum are not educatable. style_images/master/snapback.png We've had instances when deniers have joined with the intention of 'educating' us - to these people, it was not because they were ill-intentioned, merely that denial is all they had known. I hope that in at least one or two cases, the material here and on links found here, may have at the very least laid a seed of doubt in minds. Maybe one day, the may feel compelled to acknowledge th AG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted April 30, 2005 Report Share Posted April 30, 2005 we dont want to know who voted for what number, just vote and lets get this thing over with. I hate to see this tunring to be to be another "chit chat" section in this forum PS, Movses, is there a time limit to this pole? style_images/master/snapback.png Edjan - just for day or so it will be nice to know some opinions so farrr #3 is Leading >> Ban only deniers who are obviously propagandizing & arguing, educate others who are willing to learn the truth << But this is what we have been doing all along it's not something new for HyeForum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted April 30, 2005 Report Share Posted April 30, 2005 Edjan - just for day or so it will be nice to know some opinions so farrr #3 is Leading >> Ban only deniers who are obviously propagandizing & arguing, educate others who are willing to learn the truth << But this is what we have been doing all along it's not something new for HyeForum style_images/master/snapback.png I think this poll is bogus, it is against freedom of speech. We don't need any specifc rules for the deniers of the Armenian genocide. If someone believe the genocide did not happen, and want to argue about it, he should have the right to do it. On the other hand, if someone start spamming the board with materials, this he should not have the right to do, like any other kind of spamming. But we don't need any rules for that, the actual forum rules are enough to deal with such people. I don't want to see this forum become like how the republic of Turkey work, by imposing laws to shut people that have opinions different than what is accepted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMNT Posted April 30, 2005 Report Share Posted April 30, 2005 (edited) I think this poll is bogus, it is against freedom of speech. We don't need any specifc rules for the deniers of the Armenian genocide. If someone believe the genocide did not happen, and want to argue about it, he should have the right to do it. On the other hand, if someone start spamming the board with materials, this he should not have the right to do, like any other kind of spamming. But we don't need any rules for that, the actual forum rules are enough to deal with such people. I don't want to see this forum become like how the republic of Turkey work, by imposing laws to shut people that have opinions different than what is accepted. style_images/master/snapback.png You are right, we can't ban anyone for a difference in opinion, but an opinion is only held for situations that fall under a gray area and even then, there is one right opinion. In the case of the AG, there is no "gray area". It has gone far beyond opinions and debate. We have given the Turks enough time to resort to "historians" for answers and therefore, based on this observation we should ban anyone who denies the reality of the AG. The third choice, will just be sending out the message that the AG is debatable. Edited May 1, 2005 by TMNT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted May 4, 2005 Report Share Posted May 4, 2005 You are right, we can't ban anyone for a difference in opinion, but an opinion is only held for situations that fall under a gray area and even then, there is one right opinion. In the case of the AG, there is no "gray area". It has gone far beyond opinions and debate. We have given the Turks enough time to resort to "historians" for answers and therefore, based on this observation we should ban anyone who denies the reality of the AG. The third choice, will just be sending out the message that the AG is debatable. style_images/master/snapback.png I disagree, denialists should be exposed and their arguments debunked... and not shut, unless they start spamming and repeating what has been shown to be nonesense. But every individual should have his chance... we can not ban automatically people just because of their opinions, on the other hand, I may consider one losing credibility if he denies the Armenian genocide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted May 4, 2005 Report Share Posted May 4, 2005 Thanks for your input everyone - i think it's time to close the poll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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