Sip Posted April 20, 2005 Report Share Posted April 20, 2005 I was just watching CNN and they were going on and on about how this new pope is conservative and what a great smart guy he is ... one guy even called the pope a "sophisticated intellect". All I can say is WTF? "Conservative Pope"? Hellloooooooo?!!! The guy is the LEADER of the catholic church and you feel it necessary to say he is "conservative?" Wouldn't anyone even remotely associated with any church be by definition conservative? And then all this thing about him being a smart guy and what not ... well, again ... HELLOOOOOOOOO?!!!! The guy is the LEADER OF THE CHURCH! How smart could he possibly be if he still believes in wearing his pointy hat, shaking his stick, and having the gonads to tell everyone what God wants. Sorry, I'm off the soap box now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExtraHye Posted April 20, 2005 Report Share Posted April 20, 2005 I don't consider myself to be an expert on this subject. But I've been told by more then a few people how they have a special school for this profession. How their GPA had to be unexceptionally high. Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't most priests speak in more then five languages? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted April 20, 2005 Report Share Posted April 20, 2005 (edited) Sip, not everyone in any church thinks the same way. Some are more liberal and some more conservative. Each individual has his/her own understanding, even concerning church dogmas. Looking from a distance all churches may look the same, but a little closer look up shows that, for example, some churches are for priest celibacy, some allow marriage, and some allow for gay bishops. These are huge differences, and they are all Christian churches. Smartness is largely independent of dogmas. Like you have your own personal convictions/dogmas (some of which I fail to understand) but I would not consider you not smart because of that Edited April 20, 2005 by Sasun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wh00t Posted April 20, 2005 Report Share Posted April 20, 2005 You certainly don't have to be conservative to be affiliated with a church, or even to lead one. Remember that for all of John Paul's conservative ideals (and he had many), a lot of his stances were decidedly progressive. He came to the US and begged America to end the death penalty for good. He was bitterly opposed to the war in Iraq and called it a "defeat for humanity". Sip, you can be very liberal and religious -- don't forget that Jesus was a diehard peacenik lefty when he was roaming the streets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted April 20, 2005 Author Report Share Posted April 20, 2005 Sip, you can be very liberal and religious -- don't forget that Jesus was a diehard peacenik lefty when he was roaming the streets style_images/master/snapback.png Yah but I just wish these church leaders would start acting like Jesus once in a while I took a nice nap and feel much better now. The pope ain't that bad and I'm not too pi$$ed off at the media anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armjan Posted April 21, 2005 Report Share Posted April 21, 2005 How smart could he possibly be if he still believes in wearing his pointy hat, shaking his stick, and having the gonads to tell everyone what God wants. style_images/master/snapback.png wearing the attire you described is just as ironic as a suit & tie to the unseen eye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armjan Posted April 21, 2005 Report Share Posted April 21, 2005 (edited) How do u measure strength/lack of one's intellect? I am still thinking which is better off, a pointed hat or a piece of non-edible cheese on top of my head? Edited April 21, 2005 by armjan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted April 21, 2005 Report Share Posted April 21, 2005 I am still thinking which is better off, a pointed hat or a piece of non-edible cheese on top of my head? style_images/master/snapback.png haha hahahah HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakharar Posted April 21, 2005 Report Share Posted April 21, 2005 I don't consider myself to be an expert on this subject. But I've been told by more then a few people how they have a special school for this profession. How their GPA had to be unexceptionally high. Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't most priests speak in more then five languages? It's called a seminary. I don't think that they give them GPAs. Most of these priests are high quality types who are quintlingual/octolingual etc. I heared Ratzinger speak fluent French yesterday. Considering that he can alreday speak Italian, English, Latin, Swahili, Quechua and whatnot, I admit I'm jealous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted April 21, 2005 Report Share Posted April 21, 2005 Actually, the "conservative" reference is probably because the one or more popes before John Paul II spoke of reforms - and JPII had been viewed by some as a comeback in the post-Vatican Council II. I'm sure your average Catholic ought to be able to provide a better perspective than myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwig9 Posted April 21, 2005 Report Share Posted April 21, 2005 http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticl...E-TURKEY-DC.XML ANKARA (Reuters) - Turkish newspapers said on Wednesday that the new pope's opposition to Ankara joining the European Union could raise fresh obstacles to its membership. Joseph Ratzinger, elected pope on Tuesday, has said Muslim but secular Turkey should seek its future in an association of Islamic nations rather than the EU, which has Christian roots. In an interview last year for France's Le Figaro Magazine, Ratzinger, then doctrinal head of the Roman Catholic Church, said Turkey had always been "in permanent contrast to Europe" and that linking it to Europe would be a mistake. "The new pope is against Turkey," said the liberal daily Radikal in a headline. The centrist Milliyet described Ratzinger as "one of the fathers of the concept for offering Turkey a privileged partnership" instead of EU membership. German and French conservatives also favor "a privileged partnership" for Turkey falling well short of full membership. Ankara, which is due to start entry talks with the EU on Oct. 3, says it is interested only in membership. "It would be bad news if Cardinal Ratzinger continues to hold his views as Pope Benedict XVI," said commentator Selcuk Gultasli in the pro-government Zaman daily. "At a time of rising opposition against Turkey's EU membership in countries like France, Austria, Denmark and the Netherlands, the Vatican joining this opposition would send a wrong message not only to Turks but also to Muslims." "Undoubtedly, the EU is a secular union ... but despite this secularity the Vatican's influence should not be underestimated," he added. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakharar Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 As a sidenote: Cardinal Ratzinger was elected the same day as Hitler's birthday. I'm not hinting at anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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