PaperBoy Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 Poll Shows Distrust Between Armenians, Turks (AFP)--The majority of Turks and Armenians distrust and dislike each other, with both describing the World War I massacre of Armenians as a major obstacle to normalizing ties, according to a poll published Monday. The survey was carried out by an Istanbul-based think tank and an Armenian research center, among 1,219 Turks and 1,000 Armenians. More than 51 percent of Armenian respondents and 33 percent of Turks interviewed said the two peoples "generally did not like each other." Just under one percent of Armenians and 14 percent of Turks expressed a wish to get on well with one another. Almost 69 percent of Armenians associated negative words with Turks--among them "bloodthirsty," "barbarian," and "enemy"--while 34 percent of Turks had a negative view of Armenians, some describing them as "enemy" and "prejudiced." Only nine percent of Armenians and 11 percent of Turks had a positive view of each other. Seventy-nine percent of Armenians described bilateral ties as "very bad" or "bad" while 45 percent of Turks described them as "neither bad nor good." Only 37 percent of Turks described bilateral relations as "very bad" or "bad" An overwhelming 95.5 percent of Armenians saw huge obstacles to normalizing ties and 82 percent listed genocide [Turkish denial of the Armenian Genocide] as the biggest hurdle. Some 37 percent of Turks agreed that there were major hurdles, but only 19 percent saw the genocide claims as the core of the problem. Almost 88 percent of Armenians and 65 percent of Turks said they were in favor of establishing diplomatic ties, while 63 percent of Armenians and 51 percent of Turks supported the re-opening of border crossings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonymouse Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 Poll Shows Distrust Between Armenians, Turks I never saw that one coming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 Have more fun! Turkish Daily News March 29 2005 Turkish Press Yesterday Turks, Armenians don't allow their daughters to marry Armenian, Turkish men: In response to a survey, both Turks and Armenians said they would not allow their daughters to marry a Turk or an Armenian, Hürriyet said in an exclusive news report. The survey conducted by the Turkish Economic and Social Studies Foundation (TESEV) in Turkey and the HASA in Armenia revealed that 68.1 percent of Turks said they would not allow their daughter to marry an Armenian while 94 percent of Armenians said they would not allow their daughter to marry a Turk. A total of 1,200 respondents from 34 provinces and 68 districts in Turkey as well as 1,000 respondents from 21 cities in Armenia took part in the survey, Hürriyet said. Here are some striking results of the survey: - 17.3 percent of Armenians believe that Turkey is ruled by clerics while 17.7 percent believes Turkey is ruled by a sultan. - 21.5 percent of Turks believe that Armenians are Jewish not Christian. - 23.6 percent of Turks believe that there is still Communist Party rule in Armenia. PS: I know that education in Turkey is not the strongest feature of that country, but this is gross! And Turks are not alone in this realm. With the risk of being labeled as Anti-American, Americans also are "educated" as much as Turks are. One of my professors insisted (against my will , maybe because of my first name) that I'm a Jew! He himself being a Jew cannot comprehend the fact that there are other smart persons besides Jews who are not necessarily Jews Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armjan Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 (edited) Turks believe that Armenians are Jewish not Christian. wow, how can one miss 1,700 yrs of history? this is too stupid to address. I can't even continue, it hurts mentally. Edited March 29, 2005 by armjan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kakachik77 Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 Armjan, don't blame just turks for this "mistake". Many times after somebody asks my background and gets a response of "Armenian", the second question that follows is "Is that Jewish?" Sounds extremely narrow-minded but this happened to me at least 5 times. To note also, I wear a crusifix around my neck which is quite visible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 Armjan, don't blame just turks for this "mistake". Many times after somebody asks my background and gets a response of "Armenian", the second question that follows is "Is that Jewish?" Sounds extremely narrow-minded but this happened to me at least 5 times. To note also, I wear a crusifix around my neck which is quite visible. style_images/master/snapback.png You're lucky! How many times, learning that I am Armemian they have asked me if I have been to the newly built mosque in the neighbrhood? So much for the "first Christian nation"!! That and ten lumas may get you a cup "turkish coffee". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 Armjan, don't blame just turks for this "mistake". Many times after somebody asks my background and gets a response of "Armenian", the second question that follows is "Is that Jewish?" Sounds extremely narrow-minded but this happened to me at least 5 times. To note also, I wear a crusifix around my neck which is quite visible. style_images/master/snapback.png Years ago I had to stand and educate this shmaks about history, but gave up and moved on, many times the word "Armenian" they, the gringos, associate with Albanians, Iranians, and "oh so where is Armenian located?" I'll be damn if I would spend any more time explaining myself, our history…… But picture is deferent in east coast, especially in Boston and NY. last year I was sitting at the bar in Germany and having a nice conversation with the 27 year old German bartender and he knew all there was to know about Armenia and her History, I asked him a question, "are you an exception or public is knowledgeable like you when it comes to knowing history of such an ancient people" he answered, I can see you have been living in states for long time”, And yes Germans know in general about "kovkas" and I have been in Armenia 2 times already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kakachik77 Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 (edited) You're lucky! How many times, learning that I am Armemian they have asked me if I have been to the newly built mosque in the neighbrhood? So much for the "first Christian nation"!! That and ten lumas may get you a cup "turkish coffee". style_images/master/snapback.png ok, I got one that's better "Armenian...uuhh...oh that's pretty close to Indian, right?" On the other hand, once I was a nightclub in NY and this black man started talking to me, then he asked me about my background and I said "Armenian", after which he said, "Wow, it's amazing once I went out with a nationality that's very close to you?" At this point, I was already expecting something extremely stupid, but he said, "She was Georgian!" and then I was mesmerized for a second there for his knowledge. Let's start a thread on this topic Edited March 30, 2005 by kakachik77 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 why are you people so surprised? how many of you know anything about Brunei for example? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 Our family once was described by our a neighbour as 'that packie family' (!) This was about 1980 or so, and we were living in a very homogonous white, anglo-saxon prodestant town. I was just a kid, but i felt humiliated (not that there's something humiliating about being pakistani - it was just the realisation that nobody in this new world had any idea about 'who' we were.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 why are you people so surprised? how many of you know anything about Brunei for example? style_images/master/snapback.png When it happens in the States I don't blame them. They are busy with knowing where is cheaper to shop, new movies, new Reality shows, etc.. But when it happens in a neighbouring country like Turkey???? Or when my very "educated" Bulgarian friend with a serious tone asks me if we eat pork??? When my Ukranian lawyer college asked me where exactly Armenia is, isn't it close to Kazakhstan I gave up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 why are you people so surprised? how many of you know anything about Brunei for example? style_images/master/snapback.png Not much - but in all fairness, i wouldn't just assume that Burnei must be like XYZ. If I don't know, i'd ask questions, i'd take the opportunity to learn. When I was 8 I met someone from St-Lucia. I had no idea where that was, but I didn't end up looking like an ignorant ass. Polite curiousity can go a long way.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 My experience has mostly been that after I say I'm Armenian the question that follows is "is that Russian?". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 Not much - but in all fairness, i wouldn't just assume that Burnei must be like XYZ. If I don't know, i'd ask questions, i'd take the opportunity to learn. When I was 8 I met someone from St-Lucia. I had no idea where that was, but I didn't end up looking like an ignorant ass. Polite curiousity can go a long way.... style_images/master/snapback.png well... agree about not making an ass out of oneself... but i get the impression that most armenians assume (or rather insist) that everyone should know about armenia(s)... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kakachik77 Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 I agree that the annoying part is not "not knowing" rather the stupid assumptions some of which after as an Armenian I try to correct, they still insist that their ASSUMPTIONS are closer to the truth. I feel like no matter what I say, there is NO chance they are changing their mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonymouse Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 My experience has mostly been that after I say I'm Armenian the question that follows is "is that Russian?". style_images/master/snapback.png Yes, I've had that too, and once I said, "No you idiot, I just said Armenian, didn't you hear me?" They never spoke to me again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 Yes, I've had that too, and once I said, "No you idiot, I just said Armenian, didn't you hear me?" They never spoke to me again. style_images/master/snapback.png Well you certainly have a way with words Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 No cheating - Brunei is located in the northern camber of an island belonging to either Malaysia or Indonesia (I can't visualise which at the moment). The sultan is - or was - the richest man on earth at one time. Oil-rich, you see. He had a palace with 1000+ rooms. Now I'll check the map after posting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 He had a palace with 1000+ rooms. style_images/master/snapback.png Yeah, I guess genes hit even after 3-4 generations and a western diploma. Are you packing for Brunei? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 Yeah, I guess genes hit even after 3-4 generations and a western diploma. Are you packing for Brunei? style_images/master/snapback.png No, stick-figure, I just happen to have a good memory. Well, a sizeable chunk of it went on the Sultan's palace, monstrosity that boasts 1,788 rooms and is larger than the Vatican-in a tiny country with just 300,000 inhabitants. Source: http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zeroes/Sultan_Brunei.html If yer not satisfied, I can cite the hard-copy source where I read the above fact when I go home. Anything else you'd like to trip on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 No, stick-figure, I just happen to have a good memory. style_images/master/snapback.png Well, that basically what I said. You have an excellent genetic memory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 Loser. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakharar Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 I don't know about her but I would gladly suck up to his Imperial Highness. Afterall he is the only person I know who gave each of his 50 dinner guests a Mercedes 500 SL as a parting gift and when his daughter turned 18 he bought her an Airbus 340. Are you sure you have never heared of someone who has a car collection of 5000 premium cars, including about 300 Rolls Royces? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 Loser. style_images/master/snapback.png Looser? Well, you never know until you try. Mmmm ... nevermind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakharar Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 Looser? Well, you never know until you try. Mmmm ... nevermind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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