Siamanto Posted March 28, 2005 Report Share Posted March 28, 2005 (edited) BIBLIOGRAPHY ON THE ARMENIAN QUESTION (In Foreign Languages, in alphabetical order.) Al-Meza'em al-Ermeniyya wa al-Haka'ek (in Arabic), Ankara Vaqif al-Diyanet al-Turkiyya, 1983. Armenians in the Ottoman Empire and Modern Turkey:1912-1926, Istanbul, Bogazici University,1984. Armenian Terrorism and The Paris Trial; Terorisme Armenien et Proces de Paris, Ankara, Ankara University,1984. Armenische Propaganda gegen die Türkei und die Wahrheit, Ankara, Institut fur Aussenpolitik, 1982. Aspirations et agissements révolutionnaires des comites Armeniens avant et apr's la proclamation de la Constitution ottomane, Istanbul,1917. Ata�v, T�rkkaya, A Brief Glance at the "Armenian Question", Ankara, Ankara Chamber of Commerce,1984; 2nd pr., Ankara, Sistem Ofset,1984. Ata�v, T�rkkaya, A British Report (1895): "The Armenians Unmasked", Ankara, Sevinç Matbaasi,1985. Ata�v, T�rkkaya, A British Source (1916) on the Armenian Question, Ankara; Sistem Ofset,1985. Ata�v, T�rkkaya, An Armenian Author on "Patriotism Perverted"; Un auteur armenien s'exprime sur le "Patriotisme perverti"; Ein armenischer Autor uber "Patriotismus Missbraucht", Ankara, Sistem Ofset,1984; 2nd pr., Ankara, Sistem Ofset,1985. Ata�v, T�rkkaya, An Armenian Source: Hovhannes Katchaznouni; Une source Armenienne: Hovhannes Katchaznouni; Eine armenische Quelle: Hovhanness Katckaznouni; Fuinte Armenia: Hovhanness Katchaznouni, Ankara, Sistem Ofset,1984; 2nd pr.: Ankara, Sistem Ofset,1985. Ata�v, T�rkkaya, Armenian Participation in Ottoman Cultural Life, Ankara, Sevinc Matbaasi, 1985. Ata�v, T�rkkaya, A "Statement" Wrongly Attributed to Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, Ankara, Siyasal Bilgiler Fakultesi,1984; 2nd pr., Ankara, Sistem Ofset, 1985 Ata�v, T�rkkaya, De Andonian "Documenten", Welke Aan Talat ***** Worden Toegeschreven, Zijn Bedrog, Ankara, Siyasal Bilgiler Fakultesi;1984. Ata�v, T�rkkaya, Deaths Caused by Disease: In Relation to the Armenian Question; Les deces relevant de maladies, en relation avec la question Armenienne, Ankara, Sistem Ofset,1985. Ata�v, T�rkkaya, Hitler and the "Armenian Question"; Hitler et la "Question Armenienne", Ankara, Sistem Ofset,1985. Ata�v, T�rkkaya, La Participation des Armeniens a la vie culturelle ottomane, Ankara, Sevinc Matbaasi,1985. Ata�v, T�rkkaya, Talat Paşa'ya Atfedilen Andonian "Belgeler"i Sahtedir: Talat Pasa'yin Verakirvatz Andoniani Vaveratuğteri Gegdz Yen (in Armenian) ; Zaif Watha'ek Andonian al-lati nisubat hata'en ila Tal'at Basha (i-n Arabic); Esnadı Andonian kabe Talat ***** muntasab shuda sahteki est (in Persian), Ankara, Sistem Ofset,1984 Ata�v, T�rkkaya, The Andonian "Documents" Attributed to Talat ***** are Forgeries; Les "Documents" d'Andonian attribues a Talat ***** sont des faux; Die Talat Pascha zugeschrie benen Andonianischen "Dokumente" sind Falschungen, Ankara, Siyasal Bilgiler Fakultesi,1984; 2nd pr.: Ankara, Sistem Ofset,1984. Ata�v, T�rkkaya, Une "declaration" faussement attribue a Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, Ankara, Sistem Ofset,1984. Ata�v, T�rkkaya, Un Rapport anglais (1895): "Les Armeniens demasques", Ankara, Sevinc Matbaasi,1985. Ata�v, T�rkkaya, Une source britannique (1916) relative â la question Armenienne, Ankara, Sistem Ofset,1985. Congrès National, Documcnts relatifs aux atrocites commises par les Armeniens sur la population musulmane, Constantinople,1919. Das armenier Prublem in neun Fragen und neun Antworten, Ankara, Institut für Aussenpolitik, 1982 Direction Generale de la Presse et de 1'Information, Documents, Ankara,1982. Direction Generale de la Presse et de l'Information, Documents sur les Armeniens ottomans, t. II, Ankara, ( I983). Direction Generale de la Presse et de 1'Information, 70'me Anniversaire d'un journal Armenien: 1908 -1979, Ankara,1979. Directorate General of Press and Information, Documents, VoI.1, Ankara( 1982). Directorate General of Press and Information, Documents on Ottoman Armenians, Vol. II., Ankara,( 1983). G�r�n, Kamuran, The Armenian File, London, Weidenfeld and Nicholson, in association with K. Rustem and Brother,1985 G�r�n, Kamuran, Le dossier Armenien, Paris, Triangle,1984. International Terrorism and the Drug Connection, Ankara, Ankara University, I984 Karal; Enver Ziya, Armenian Question:1878-1923, Ankara, Gündüz,1975. La Cuèstion Armenia en Nueve Preguntas y Respuestas, Ankara, Instituto de Politica Extranjera, I982. Le Général Mayevski, Les massacres d'Arménie. Le problème Armenien: neuf questions, neuf réponses, Ankara, Institut de politique étrangerè,1982. Le terrorisme international et le trafc de stupéfiants, Ankara, Universite d'Ankara, I984. McCarthy, Justin,Mluslims and Minorities: the Population of Ottoman Anatolia and the End of the Empire, New York and London, New York University Press,1983. McCarthy, Justin, Terrorismo Armenio: La Historia Como Veneno y Como Antidoto, Kentucky, E.U.A., Universidad de Louisville,1984. Mise au point sur Ia propagande Armenienne contre la Turquie, Ankara, Institut de Politique Etrangerè, I982. Orly Sald�r�s� Davası: I9 Şubat - 2 Mart 1985, �ahit ve Avukat Beyanları, Ankara Siyasal Bilgiller Fakültesi,1985. Proces de 1'attentat d'Orly:19 fevrier - 2 mars 1985, depositions et pladoirie, Ankara, Faculte; des Sciences Politiques,1985. Terrorist Attack at Orly; Statements and Evidence Presented at the Trial, February 19 - March 2,1985, Ankara, Faculty of Political Science,1985 Schemsi, Kara, Turcs et Armeniens devant 1'histoire: nouveaux témoignages russes et turcs sur les atrocités Armeniennes de 1914 à 1918, Genve, Imprimerie nationale,1919. Setting the Record Straight on Armenian Propaganda Against Turkey, �im�ir, Bilal N., Aperqu historique sur la question armenienne, Ankara, Societe Turque d'His- toire,1985. �im�ir, Bilal N., ed., British Documents on Ottoman Armenians: Vot. I, 1856 -1880, Ankara, Turkish Historical Society,1983. �im�ir, Bilal N., The Deportees of Malta and the Armenian Question: Ankara, Foreign Policy Institute,1984 �im�ir, Bilal N., ed., Documents Diplomatiques Ottomans, Vol. I. (1886-1893), Ankara, Societe Turque d'Histoire,1985. �im�ir, Bilal N., The Genesis of the Armenian Question, Ankara, Turkish Historical Society 1984; 2nd pr.:1985. Sonyel, Selahi R.; Displacement of the Armenians: Documents; Le Deplacement des populations Armeniennes: Documents; Ermeni Tehciri ve Belgeler, Ankara, Baylan Matbaasi, 1978. The Armenian Issue in Nine Questions and Answers, Ankara, Foreign Policy Institute, 1982. www.turkishforum.com/armenian/10q/bibliografi.html Note: I have chosen to auto censor the word "*urk" because it is commonly perceived as unpleasant and offending, evokes unpleasant emotions and imagery and is pregnant with immoral and evil connotations! Edit Note: I put the URLs in these posts in CODE tags, in order not to contribute to an increase in their google ranking (and web traffic). Edited March 29, 2005 by Siamanto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siamanto Posted March 28, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2005 (edited) A Sampler of *urkish Propaganda www.turkishforum.com/armenian/ If this is your first time here please read the summary of Turco-Armenian relations through history and then browse the documents presented below or dive into the allegations. The History of the Armenian Turkish Conflict (testimony by Justin Mc Carthy in front of the USA House International Comittee). A letter to the Members of U.S. House of Representatives by 69 academicians who specialize in Turkish, Ottoman and Middle Eastern Studies disagreeing with Armenian claims. In Search of Truth. A Synopsis on the Turkish-Armenian Question. A Summary letter on the subject after Armenian claims were rejected by the British in 1999. The Armenian File by Kamuran G�r�n is a comprehensive study of the origins of the Armenian question and its relationship to the Great Game, policies of the Great Powers through the fall of the Ottoman Empire and the Turkish War of Independence. (You can also order a printed book) Some tidbits of reality; IN THE 19th CENTURY IN THE OTTOMAN EMPIRE: 29 Armenians achieved the highest governmental rank of *****, 22 Armenians became ministers, including Ministers of Foreign Affairs, 33 Armenians were elected to the Parliament, 7 Armenians were appointed as Ambassadors, 11 as Consul Generals, 11 Armenians served in universities as professors. There were 803 Armenian schools employing 2088 teachers with over 80,000 pupils within the Ottoman Empire in 1901-2. BRITISH CONSUL IN ERZURUM, GRAVES replied to the question of New York Herald Reporter Sydney Whitman "If no Armenian revolutionary had come to this country, if they had not stirred Armenian revolution, would these clashes have occurred?" as follows; "Of course not. I doubt if a single Armenian would have been killed." # Some documents/links of interest; Ermeni Sorunu Another great site revealing the real Armenian question. # Ermeniler Tarafindan Yapilan Katliam Belgeleri (1914-1921) Ottoman documents of Armenian commited massacres in between 1914-1921. # Armenian aggresion towards Azerbaijan: Azeri Genocide # Russian aggresion towards Azerbaijan: Black January 20 1. Ten Questions & Ten Answers to most frequent Armenian Diaspora allegations; WAS EASTERN ANATOLIA THE ORIGINAL HOMELAND OF THE ARMENIANS? 2. DID THE TURKS TAKE THE LANDS OF THE ARMENIANS BY FORCE? 3. HAVE THE TURKS ALWAYS ATTACKED AND MISRULED ARMENIANS THROUGHOUT HISTORY? 4. DID THE TURKS REALLY TRY TO MASSACRE THE ARMENIANS STARTING IN THE 1890's? 5. WHAT IS MEANT BY THE TERM "GENOCIDE" ? 6. DID THE TURKS UNDERTAKE A PLANNED AND SYSTEMATIC MASSACRE OF THE ARMENIANS IN 1915? 7. DID TALAT ***** SEND SECRET TELEGRAMS ORDERING MASSACRES? 8. DID l, 5 MILLION ARMENIANS DIE DURING WORLD WAR I? 9. IS THE SEVRES AGREEMENT STILL IN FORCE? 10. ARE THE ARMENIANS OF TURKEY BEING OPPRESSED TODAY? ( Biography Information ) (The compressed (zip) versions of the above q&a are available in English and French feel free to copy locally and distribute around you.) "In this movement we took with us three thousand Turkish soldiers who had been captured by the Russians and left on our hands when the Russians abandoned the struggle. During our retreat to Karaklis two thousand of these poor devils were cruelly put to death. I was sickened by the brutality displayed, but could not make any effective protest. Some, mercifully, were shot. Many of them were burned to death. The method employed was to put a quantity of straw into a hut, and then after crowding the hut with Turks, set fire to the straw." page 133, first paragraph, "Men Are Like That" by Leonard Ramsden Hartill. The Bobbs-Merrill Company, Indianapolis (1928) Patriotism Perverted, on Armenian Revolutionary movements part 1 , part 2 . Quotes on the operations of the Armenian Revolutionaries. The Anatolian Armenians 1912-1922, Armenians During The Last Years of Ottoman History Christian Anti-Semitism In The Ottoman Empire Historical background of Armeno-Turkish problems & the Armenian War Effort # History of the Ottoman Empire & Modern Turkey Vol.2 p314-317 # The Diplomacy of Imperialism # Letter from Boghos Nubar, Armenian Leader To The Times of London # Armenian Figures During Ottoman Empire * Armenian Terrorism: History as Poison & Antidote * Post WW2 Armenian terror organizations; JCAG,ASALA. * Statement & testimony of Prof. M�mtaz Soysal at the Orly Airport bombing trial of ASALA. * Chronological List of Armenian Terror. * Armenian Terrorist Caught and sentenced. * A little on Armenian forgeries Forged Telegrams; The Andonian Papers. * Forgeries Of Skulls of Slain Armenians (!) The enemy of my enemy is my friend, Greeks & Armenians. Historical turth and the confessions! Liar's candle & Congressman Bonior. "Hence it was important to prove to the Nazis that the Armenians were 'Aryans' ". p.357 of Christopher J. Walker's Armenia-The Survival of a Nation, ISBN:0-312-04230-2 More on Armenian Nazi collaboration. In fact Armenian's supported Nazi up until the end of WW2. Download the zip compressed pictures of Armenian papers from 1945. Azerbaijan # Armenians were tricked into being pawns in greater world politics (The Great Game) during and before World War 1. Today, after the fall of the Soviet Union blinded by their own ultra-nationalism are again falling for the same role, this time against the Turkic Azerbaijan nation: Azerbaijan will present the international court in The Hague with documents of Armenian Massacre of Azeri Turks in 1992. # Armenian agression at Karabag # Historical background on the region of Karabag. # Read how Armenian racist fanaticism has spread to the net. * More Documents In Turkish Ermeni Katliamlari ve Gazilerle M�lakat. Turkish survivors of the Armenian massacres. * Rusya'nin Bitlis Konsolosu'nun raporu * AHMED REFIK: "Kafkas yollarinda Hatiralar ve Tahassusler" * ALPER GAZIGIRAY: "Muslim Archival Material On The Genocide Perpetrated By The Armenians On The Muslim Population In Eastern Anatolia" * ALPER GAZIGIRAY: Corpses of Muslim children butchered by Armenians. * AZMI SUSLU: "Russian View On The Genocide Commited By The Armenians Against The Muslims." * AZMI SUSLU: "Ermenilerin Yaptiklari Katliamlar" * NESIDE KEREM DEMIR: "The Crime of Genocide Committed by the Armenians Against the Muslim People." * VEYSEL EROGLU: "The Armenian Genocide of the Muslim People in Eastern Anatolia." Related Links: # Our message board on the Armenian Question # Ermeni Sorunu # Armenian Atrocities & Terrorism (ATAA) # Institute for Armenian Research (ERAREN) "The great Turk is governing in peace twenty nations from different religions. Turks have taught to Christians how to be moderate in peace and gentle in victory."Voltaire's Philosophical Dictionary Note: I have chosen to auto censor the word "*urk" because it is commonly perceived as unpleasant and offending, evokes unpleasant emotions and imagery and is pregnant with immoral and evil connotations! Edited March 29, 2005 by Siamanto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siamanto Posted March 28, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2005 (edited) Another *urkish Propaganda site dedicated to the "Armenian Question." armenianreality.com/ Note: I have chosen to auto censor the word "*urk" because it is commonly perceived as unpleasant and offending, evokes unpleasant emotions and imagery and is pregnant with immoral and evil connotations! Edited March 29, 2005 by Siamanto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantom22 Posted March 28, 2005 Report Share Posted March 28, 2005 The bottom line is, who confiscated the properties of whom? Are not the descendants of the Ittihadists enjoying the plundered wealth of the Armenians, Greeks and Assyrians?....And how do the Turks treat their minorities today, Huh? My ancestor was one of the 22 Armenians they mention, why am I not just elated? I doubt that the Europeans are buying their line. Perhaps the Pakistanis are, but what other nation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted March 28, 2005 Report Share Posted March 28, 2005 Note: I have chosen to auto censor the word "*urk" because it is commonly perceived as unpleasant and offending, evokes unpleasant emotions and imagery and is pregnant with immoral and evil connotations! style_images/master/snapback.png Siamanto, you can't believe how much I love (and enjoy) to read this! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted March 28, 2005 Report Share Posted March 28, 2005 You may add this to that "bibliography". I came across this on a forum run by Hamshentsis in Turkey. No comment necessary, except that notice the opening lines where he states to be a "Turkish citizen", he does not say he is a Turk.. No date or location is given . It seems like he may have written it to an April 24th committee somewhere, sometime.The letter may also be found in the internet using his name as a search criteria. I could not locate an e-mail address either. He deserves letters of our love and encouragement. Who knows! He may decide to return to his true ancestry and bring with him a whole tribe. ======= Forgive me!! Dear Sir or Madam: My name is Mehmet Deviren, and I am a Turkish citizen. My late grand mother was an Armenian but this was kept a secret from my sisters and I until one nasty argument between my mother and father, which she ended up calling my father “ son of an Armenian b…. ”. My mother was not a naturally nasty person but she was ignorant about what had had happened in 1915. In that she was not alone. 99% of the nation was with her. The remaining 1% knew the truth but it had not suited them, it still does not. We were told to hate evil Armenians by the state and why would any body should or dare to change that! When I confronted my mother on what she had said to my father I was given a very economical explanation (in fact I do believe that was all she knew about the subject), that my paternal great grand father and his brothers were involved in killing many Armenians near the Murad River in ongoing hostilities against the Armenians by the Turkish army and local militia. After they had executed their orders they returned to their village together with three little Armenian sisters whose parents had been killed by the very same men. As you know these atrocities had happened in many other places across the country. Those young girls all over the country rescued by men like my ancestors either by due to a limited humanity they had sustained or fore a more sinister and perverted reasons. In due time the three sisters had married to the sons of the brothers. My grand mother was the youngest of the three sisters. I have also learnt from my grand father some details of his father’s and his uncles’ so called holly duties. Those poor people had been hand tied to one another and told “Murad Baba (father Murad) is waiting for you” before they were taken to a river to be thrown in, their hands were still tied in order to save bullets. There was no remorse what so ever in his words. My grand mother and her sisters were all criticised to hold conversations in an unknown language by us, and especially my grand mother not to shed tears in times of family tragedies. She was branded a heartless woman by most of the family. Who would have guessed that she ran out of tears at the age of four when she had being forced to watch all her loved ones slaughtered. Years went by and all the things I have heard about what had happened to the Armenians faded away due to the fact that they had been contradicted with what I had been taught in our history lesson at school. According to our schoolbooks it was the Armenians who had murdered the innocent Turks and they were continuing to do so under the name of ASALA. Surely all these books and teachers and journalists and statesmen could not be wrong. And who was I or any one else to suspect them. Didn’t they warn us against these lies, which were spread by the enemies of our country to undermine our sovereignty? In mid eighties I moved to UK and started a job, which involved in many trips to south east of Anatolia. During some of these trips I met elderly local people (most of them were Kurds) and one way or another without any political purpose the subject turned into what had happened in 1915. What I was hearing collaborated with my childhood memories about my grandmother and every thing I have had heard from my grandfather, ect. Everywhere I went, there was a sad story and some concrete evidences to back them up. I will not repeat to you what you already know of. Yet these unexpected revelations have started to haunt me. I had always some suspicions of the concepts of the state regulated history books and disbelief towards our politicians, however the truth was too hard to digest. On my last trip to the region I went to a village near the city of Diyarbakir in order to hold a report about forced relocation of the villagers to a nearby town to stop their possible support to the separatist terrorist fighters. They had been given a little bit more than a week to evacuate their homes by the state and almost all of the villagers were against it. But they were powerless and desperate to stay in the land, which they all lived in for many generations. I shall never forget the painful words of one very old man to me “son we have taken this land from the Armenians, we built our lives on their tears and blood and now we are leaving this land behind amid our tears and blood on it.” When I saw my sisters again I told them about what I had learnt and their response was total disbelief. Their explanation for what I said was that I living in UK and working for a foreign organisation corrupted my senses. Basically according to them I was poisoned by foreign powers, which wanted to divide up our beloved country. Had I not heard that before! I was told to shut up and not to repeat that to any one else for my sake as well as theirs. But how could I? It was like being a witness to a terrible crime and not to come forward. Now I know the truth and the truth was too painful to keep silent. Yes I was Turkish and I always loved my country but I was also a human and being a human carries certain responsibilities. I told the same story to some of my friends and the result was almost similar plus I have lost some of their trust and friendship for good. I had also written letters to some of the Turkish Newspapers and in return I have received either an insult or no response at all. Today my dear grandmother and her sisters are long gone. So I do not have the opportunity to tell her how sorry I am for what happened to her and her nation or try to share her pain and sorrow, which I believe she had carried with her until the day she died. According to my religion once the soul leaves the body, forgives every wrong doings and every injustice. My ancestors who had committed these atrocities will be answering to their creator, may God show mercy on their souls. But the earth belongs to the living and I for one beg of your forgiveness for all the pain that my ancestors had caused to your nation. Yes there was a war in 1915 and the politicians of both sides had made mistakes, but nothing can justify for the massacre of the innocent civilians. One day I hope my beloved country will accept these historic facts and let the truth set them free. Yours truly, Mr. Mehmet Deviren Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siamanto Posted March 29, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 Note: I have chosen to auto censor the word "*urk" because it is commonly perceived as unpleasant and offending, evokes unpleasant emotions and imagery and is pregnant with immoral and evil connotations! Siamanto, you can't believe how much I love (and enjoy) to read this! style_images/master/snapback.png style_images/master/snapback.png anoushik, Thank you! If those words awakens such emotions in you, how about transcribing their echo using musical phrases? P.S. I like the idea and the feelings my words express are true. I think that the text could be improved! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 (edited) Siamanto, As indicated above, I have edited the links in your posts and changed the URL tags to CODE tags. This is merely to avoid supplying these types of propoganda sites with increased search engine traffic (be it google or other) via bots, crawlers etc. Readers may still copy and paste the URLs into their browers if they are curious about the sites themselves, but at least we're not 'promoting' them with direct links. Thanks for your comprehension Edited March 29, 2005 by vava Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siamanto Posted March 29, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 (edited) Siamanto, As indicated above, I have edited the links in your posts and changed the URL tags to CODE tags. This is merely to avoid supplying these types of propoganda sites with increased search engine traffic (be it google or other) via bots, crawlers etc. Readers may still copy and paste the URLs into their browers if they are curious about the sites themselves, but at least we're not 'promoting' them with direct links. Thanks for your comprehension style_images/master/snapback.png vava, Thank you! I apologize for my naive negligence! I also deleted the "protocol-field." I don't know if - and how much - that would matter! In the future, I'll make sure to obfuscate such URLs! PS. Your dog seems to be well trained to sniff such URLs! Edited March 29, 2005 by Siamanto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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