Arpa Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 Hot off the press. ========== U.S. charges 18 in Russian weapons-smuggling plot From Phil Hirschkorn CNN NEW YORK (CNN) -- Eighteen men have been charged with attempting to smuggle Russian-made military weapons into the United States, U.S. authorities said. U.S. Attorney David Kelly announced the arrests Tuesday morning, saying the men charged had conspired to sell the weapons to terrorists, though the identity of the buyers was unclear. The defendants were arrested late Monday and early Tuesday inside the United States, where they allegedly plotted the illegal sales. The defendants are charged in a 63-page complaint with conspiring to traffic in machine guns and other weapons. The defendants allegedly sold eight automatic weapons to a confidential informant who posed as an arms trafficker. The arrests resulted from a yearlong undercover investigation by the FBI that included wiretaps. "There is talk on the wire that the clients of the buyer are of Middle East descent," said one law enforcement source familiar with the charges. But the references were "vague," the source said. The defendants are predominantly Armenian, Russian, and Georgian. The group's alleged ring leader was Arthur Solomonyan, an Armenian. Ten of the alleged weapons smugglers were arrested in the New York area, two in Florida, and some in southern California. They conducted many of their negotiations in English, according to the law enforcement source. The attempted sales of shoulder-fired, surface-to-air missiles (SAMs) and rocket-propelled grenades never went beyond the discussion phase, and those weapons never entered the United States from abroad, the source said. The negotiations were for multimillion-dollar sales. Find this article at: http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/03/15/weapons.trafficking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 its funny how they call jews in this case russians, and in all cases Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armjan Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 its funny how they call jews in this case russians, and in all cases style_images/master/snapback.png what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 which part you did not understand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 its funny how they call jews in this case russians, and in all cases style_images/master/snapback.png Well CNN is always politically correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 israeli terorists are called comandos, palestinian freedom fighters a terorists, jews in LA and everywere ( when portraing negativly) are Russians, the turm anti-semetism only aples to jews ( forget about arabs ) and one in a million crimes commited by armenians in comparison to jewish mafia they are jumping in a wagon ARMENIANS! it is almost sickaning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 did i mantion modifing middle east for the security of Israel? oh my, I'm bad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 Please, let's not jump to conclusions now. Arpa jan, could you please edit your post - it's a tad agressive; swearing and insults are not allowed on the forum. Thanks in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted March 15, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 (edited) its funny how they call jews in this case russians, and in all cases style_images/master/snapback.png Hey guys! Hold your horses! Let us not throw the baby out with the bathwater. Where does it say that Arthur Solomon(yan) is ethnic Armenian? Has he professed to subscribe to Ejmiatsin or is he from the Synagogue of Congregation of Beth Solomon? The mere fact that his passport may designate him to be of "Armenian" citizenship does not make him an ethnic Armenian. After all, his name is not Haik Armenian, is it? Is he Arthur Ben Sholomon in real life? Is he circumcised or is he whole (Armenian)? Edited March 15, 2005 by Arpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kakachik77 Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 that Solomonyan is a 26-year-old idiot. What kind of ringleader is that young? This entire story is taken way out of proportions. The Feds don't have a normal case except for some young idiot telling probably bunch of lies at a Manhattan hotel that he can bring this and that kind of weapons from Russia, there is absolutely no weapons in U.S., no sale has occurred. I don't know, who really trust a 26 year old boy to run anything this big and "dangerous"??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 that Solomonyan is a 26-year-old idiot. What kind of ringleader is that young? This entire story is taken way out of proportions. The Feds don't have a normal case except for some young idiot telling probably bunch of lies at a Manhattan hotel that he can bring this and that kind of weapons from Russia, there is absolutely no weapons in U.S., no sale has occurred. I don't know, who really trust a 26 year old boy to run anything this big and "dangerous"??? style_images/master/snapback.png This is closer to my opinion on the matter. But instead some people on this thead seem to have ulterior motivation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 But instead some people on this thead seem to have ulterior motivation. style_images/master/snapback.png Vava, if you are still in doubt that the Jewish lobby and their media are Armenophobic in the US because of their "Turkish interests" I say you live in wonderland. You are still going to see their real power as April 24th nears. As you may see in the other thread one of them has already expressed an opinion that the Genocide bill will not pass. You know what is his subtle hint. He says: "We the Jewish lobby of the US will never let it happen". It is another matter though that Arpa often chooses to act as a clown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 Armen jan, i was referring to those flinging about careless accusation about an Armenian criminal not being Armenian at all, but jewish of all things - only because he's a criminal, and we don't want him perhaps? Come now, it's a little ridiculous don't you think? Being aware of certain lobby groups and their interests is an entirely different issue altogether. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armjan Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 its funny how they call jews in this case russians, and in all cases style_images/master/snapback.png how are the jews related to the events as described in the article? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 Armen jan, i was referring to those flinging about careless accusation about an Armenian criminal not being Armenian at all, but jewish of all things - only because he's a criminal, and we don't want him perhaps? Come now, it's a little ridiculous don't you think? style_images/master/snapback.png I agree that assumption is ridiculuos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armjan Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 (edited) that Solomonyan is a 26-year-old idiot. What kind of ringleader is that young? This entire story is taken way out of proportions. The Feds don't have a normal case except for some young idiot telling probably bunch of lies at a Manhattan hotel that he can bring this and that kind of weapons from Russia, there is absolutely no weapons in U.S., no sale has occurred. I don't know, who really trust a 26 year old boy to run anything this big and "dangerous"??? style_images/master/snapback.png i do see weapons smuggling from other countries to be a reality. this is nothing new. Weapons are often smuggled from mehico and sold for a fraction in some markets. reports indicate that an armenian guy was invovled in this transaction. remember, i know your armenian, and you don't like to see these kinds of stories, but there are armenians who break the law, just like ppl of all origins. Edited March 17, 2005 by armjan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 how are the jews related to the events as described in the article? style_images/master/snapback.png And you assume just because there is no mention of Jewish in the article there is none involved in this particular case? Have you been in New York? I don’t know where you reside but here in LA there is a 100k or more strong Jewish community from former USSR, and not once I have heard the name Jewish when reporting a crime or portraying them negatively, its always Russian emigrants, or Russians, on contrary, when Armenians commit crime, and this is understandable since every ethnic group commits crime here in LA, there is no mention of Russian, nor Russian emigrants, its always an Armenian gangs vs. Russian gang, there was an incident here in LA during days of 9-11 when there was a bomb threat at LAX and news organization, local channels including Jewish channel, made a bold statements without investigating further and doing there journalistic duty, “the terrorist is an Armenian” which later proved it was false! Yet to this day no apology nor any remorse from this news channels or organizations. And now a 26 year old ring leader in New York, in the heart of crime capital of the world, is an arms smuggler? Think about it. As days of 90th anniversary of AG is approaching, you will witness many instances in a media or public statements relating the word Armenian with a terrorist, it has happened in the past, not long after 9-11 Turkish lobby along with Jewish, wanted to re-open the case of Hambik Sasunian, alleged assassin of the Turkish consul here in LA at early 80’s, why do you think it was done, the last thing Turkey would want is another mention of AG, yet times were ripe back then, the world was watching in horror, the word terrorist would have scared the s**t out of anybody, any public opinion, you could of pushed your BS agenda under the umbrella of 9-11, and now when April 24th is around the corner we see this kind of story from biased CNN, who is run by Jews who have there unique interest NOT seeing AG being recognized in this country Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 (edited) Where does it say that Arthur Solomon(yan) is ethnic Armenian? The story is B/S!!! Either these guys are despaired amateurs, or it is a "set up"! Only complete certified idiot will try to sell Russian weapons to individuals of ME decent in USA. This is such a B/S that while writing I'm laughing hard! People cannot pass the border with pocket knifes let alone Russian weapons! Those involved in arms business are the most sophisticated businessmen. But then again it is possible that these guys are simply morons. Next time they should ask for legal advise…before rather than after! Edited March 16, 2005 by gamavor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armjan Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 (edited) The story is B/S!!! Either these guys are despaired amateurs, or it is a "set up"! Only complete certified idiot will try to sell Russian weapons to individuals of ME decent in USA. This is such a B/S that while writing I'm laughing hard! People cannot pass the border with pocket knifes let alone Russian weapons! Those involved in arms business are the most sophisticated businessmen. But then again it is possible that these guys are simply morons. Next time they should ask for legal advise…before rather than after! style_images/master/snapback.png your comments regarding the border are far from truth. there is a lot of uncovered/unpatroled terrian and coyote's managed in the past to bring ppl in & out of the country. the evidence for this is insurmountable. ppl invovled in these things are not concerned with law, think about it, there is something else that motivates them($). law abiding citizens reason within law but this is not the mindset of those ppl. you may be smart enough to realize that is foolish, but it doesn't mean that others can infer the same conclusions. some ppl will/can do all kinds of things for enough $. Just b/c the weapons are Russian, doesn't mean that the trasaction was approved by gov knoledge/representation. So it's not unlikely that some have found a repository of these weapons and are trying to make $ by selling them. Recent public records have shown lack of documentation for former soviet weapons arsenal including submarines. there was an incident in late 90's where a maimi night club owner requested to buy a russian submarine but talks deterriorated b/c he had participated in smuggling of narcotics. so yes, why wouldn't a trasaction like this be likely? buyers (ME) want to buy, and sellers want to sell. and why would the trasaction occur in U.S. think about it, if your an ME at customs or sneaking thru borders. let's assume worst case, you get caught, your chances of getting freed are greater if your not carrying any type of assualt weapons. after all, if the goals of the ME's was to commit terrorism, it would be smarter to come with $ than w/ weapons. 60 mins did a recent episode that showed with enough $ and a few google searches, they were able to solicit the sale of a 50 caliber gun. the gun was delivered to the buyers home. Edited March 16, 2005 by armjan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 Arpa Qeri PLease see you PM box Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hytga Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 Even if the ringleader is armenian, the armenian side needs to write articles specificly on how the FBI is cooperating with the Armeinan authorities to secure the weapons or on other cooperation. If it's a plot to mud the name of Armenians, then that's the only real defence we can put, not just closing our eyes on the nationality of the suspect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 ARMENIAN AUTHORITIES READY TO ASSIST WASHINGTON TO INVESTIGATE ILLEGAL ARMS TRADE WITH US 16.03.2005 07:26 /PanARMENIAN.Net/ The Armenian authorities are ready to assist the US in every way to investigate the fact of illegal trade of arms in the US, Press Secretary of the Armenian President Victor Soghomonian stated, when commenting on the arrest of Armenia-born Artur Solomonian, Mediamax news agency reported. Along with citizens of Russia, Georgia and the US Artur Solomonian is charged for selling Russian military equipment in the US territory. «Armenian authorities are ready to assist the investigation of the circumstances of the matter in every way. The law-enforcement bodies of Armenia do not have information about the contraband coming-out of arms from Armenia and are much interested in the holding of the investigation and calling members of the criminal group to account,» noted Victor Soghomonian. It should be reminded that a group of smugglers is detained in the US. Its 18 members are charged for contraband of arms produced in Russia. The gang leader was Artur Solomonian, 26. He and 4 other prisoners, including 33-year-old South-African Christian Spice, were accused for collusion to transport arms. The rest 13 smugglers are charged for providing machine-guns and other arms to Solomonian and Spice. Solomonian and Spice can be imprisoned for 30 years. <!> Reproduction in full or in part is prohibited without reference to "PanARMENIAN.Net" Send | Print Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonymouse Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 After reading this thread, it made me fantasize about a future career in weapons smuggling as Jew instead of an Armenian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siamanto Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 its funny how they call jews in this case russians, and in all cases style_images/master/snapback.png I see what you mean and I can't disagree. However, isn't it true that most Jews from the Soviet Union present themselves as "Russian?" Even when they are from Uzbekistan or...While most Armenians present themselves as "Armenian" - at least to me - even when they are from Russia or... that Solomonyan is a 26-year-old idiot...don't know, who really trust a 26 year old boy to run anything this big and "dangerous"??? style_images/master/snapback.png Maybe that's why he got caught! After reading this thread, it made me fantasize about a future career in weapons smuggling as Jew instead of an Armenian. style_images/master/snapback.png Why not Anonymously? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 After reading this thread, it made me fantasize about a future career in weapons smuggling as Jew instead of an Armenian. style_images/master/snapback.png Mr. Rosenblaum, would you like to start off with a very profitable deal with self-loaded (automatic charge) fountain pens for Iran? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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