UN's Usefulness

[DominO123]

The UN is a big bureaucracy with well paid self-important employees that either are used as the politically correct way of interfering in sovereign nations or that squander money with well intended but ineffcient programs.

 

It is amazing how people distrust government but think that there is any hope for the UN.

 

Just look at its trackrecord on conflict prevention, it would be enough for thinking about more useful things.

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What do you propose?

[Sasun]

The reason the UN is not up to its task is because the member countries are unwilling to delegate some of their powers to it. In fact, the US is inclined to be defiant, other countries try to promote their agendas using the UN name, poor countries are trying to milk it, etc... under such conditions of course the UN will be just a name tag under which power politics is functioning in full capacity.

[Boghos]

What do you propose?

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I don´t propose anything. Actually I propose nothing, in other words: there is no need for an international bureuacracy on top of national, regional, municipal and neighborhood ones. Let states voluntarily associate in ways that they may find mutually profitable. I am all for devolution of as much power as possible to local level government.

 

Only romantics believe that th relationship among states is done on a table.

[armjan]

what is a "romantics" as it pertains to this topic? does it mean the same thing as a previous reply, how would you know when neither of you defined it properly. an example is not considered a defn in most standards, but i know, it always feels good to call other ppl names.

 

it appears that those so called "romantics" actually have a greater distrust in humanity and it's ability to resolve conflict. consider the feeling that everyone felt right after wwII, now i wasn't there i wouldn't know, but it doesn't take a scientist to realize that humans can be very bad, especially when political aliances,channels of communication go south.

 

iow, what you propose, which is nothing...

-seems to imply a greater trust in the human ability to resolve conflict

-you see a problem and are not willing to do anything about it (even worse)

[Anonymouse]

I don´t propose anything. Actually I propose nothing, in other words: there is no need for an international bureuacracy on top of national, regional, municipal and neighborhood ones. Let states voluntarily associate in ways that they may find mutually profitable. I am all for devolution of as much power as possible to local level government.

 

Only romantics believe that th relationship among states is done on a table.

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I like this guy more and more. It's like he hits on the money.

[DominO123]

Let states voluntarily associate in ways that they may find mutually profitable.

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And what will coordinate it?

 

If there is a crime commited somewhere, or a government decide to invade another country... and some states decide to act... how is it going to work? This was why the UN was founded after WWII.

 

The problem with the UN is that it is too dependent, it has billions of debts(most of it contracted by the US), doesn't have its own independent army... and countrys politicial figures have a veto.

[Boghos]

"Coordination". That´s what is at the heart of the problem, the belief that there is a need for such coordination. Let´s face it, which is the longest standing conflict of the post war period? Israel-Palestine. Look at the UN record on that one. Zilch.

 

Show me one instance when the Un was of any use I´ll show you ten when it acted as a bloated and corrupt democracy as any other.

[armjan]

"Coordination". That´s what is at the heart of the problem, the belief that there is a need for such coordination. Let´s face it, which is the longest standing conflict of the post war period? Israel-Palestine. Look at the UN record on that one. Zilch.

 

Show me one instance when the Un was of any use I´ll show you ten when it acted as a bloated and corrupt democracy as any other.

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"Israel-Palestine" is not a problem of coordination, significant figures of judiasm & islam claim god entitled them a right of return. i can't solve it, my nieghbor can't solve it, heck even moses if he was alive can't solve that one.

 

 

for the last time, every system is vulnerable to be abused/corrupted, but this doesn't mean that there is no need for such an organization. consider law enforcement, does the existence of corrupt cops prove that law enforcement as an entity is useless & pointless.

 

 

UN has taken on issue like...

-Progress In Fighting Child Sexual Exploitation

-UN Official Calls For Cancellation Of Debts Owed By Poorest Countries

-Make Poverty History - Urges Action To Cancel African Debt

-Annan Calls For Cooperation To Save Central Africa’s Forests

-First Step In Rebuilding Sri Lanka’s Fishing Fleet

-UN Agencies And Aid Groups Help Afghanistan Try To Boost Its Low Literacy Rates

-Agricultural Research To Cut Hunger

-UN And EU Tighten Cooperation On Drugs And Crime

-UN Launches Plans For Global Early Warning System On Natural Disasters

-Global Trade Liberalization Could Reap Benefits For Developing States

- UN Teams Up With Commission To Fight Drug Trafficking, Crime And Terror

-UN To Look At Evolving Role Of Microfinance In Reducing Poverty

-UN Appeals For Resettlement Of Stranded Kurd Refugees

-UN Plans To Recover Stolen Funds For Nigeria, Kenya

-UN Feeding Agency Suspends Flights In Western Côte D’Ivoire After Shooting

-UN Envoy And Lebanon Agree To Try To Revitalize Middle East Peace Process

 

and that's just the last 3 months, but some of it's corrupt participants on other issues have rendered it to have such a bad influence.

 

it must feel good to be on top, you know, got that great car, beautiful girl, a great job, but think about those poor kids living in poverty, sold to prositution, never given a chance at education. basically the need to protect the weak is a noble one and any argument against that is simply silly to me and reflects extreme ignorance & selfishness.

[Anileve]

Once there was a confused boy named Dan...THE END.

[Anonymouse]

"Israel-Palestine" is not a problem of coordination, significant figures of judiasm & islam claim god entitled them a right of return. i can't solve it, my nieghbor can't solve it, heck even moses if he was alive can't solve that one.

for the last time, every system is vulnerable to be abused/corrupted, but this doesn't mean that there is no need for such an organization. consider law enforcement, does the existence of corrupt cops prove that law enforcement as an entity is useless & pointless.

UN has taken on issue like...

-Progress In Fighting Child Sexual Exploitation

-UN Official Calls For Cancellation Of Debts Owed By Poorest Countries

-Make Poverty History - Urges Action To Cancel African Debt

-Annan Calls For Cooperation To Save Central Africa’s Forests

-First Step In Rebuilding Sri Lanka’s Fishing Fleet

-UN Agencies And Aid Groups Help Afghanistan Try To Boost Its Low Literacy Rates

-Agricultural Research To Cut Hunger

-UN And EU Tighten Cooperation On Drugs And Crime

-UN Launches Plans For Global Early Warning System On Natural Disasters

-Global Trade Liberalization Could Reap Benefits For Developing States

- UN Teams Up With Commission To Fight Drug Trafficking, Crime And Terror

-UN To Look At Evolving Role Of Microfinance In Reducing Poverty

-UN Appeals For Resettlement Of Stranded Kurd Refugees

-UN Plans To Recover Stolen Funds For Nigeria, Kenya

-UN Feeding Agency Suspends Flights In Western Côte D’Ivoire After Shooting

-UN Envoy And Lebanon Agree To Try To Revitalize Middle East Peace Process

 

and that's just the last 3 months, but some of it's corrupt participants on other issues have rendered it to have such a bad influence.

 

it must feel good to be on top, you know, got that great car, beautiful girl, a great job, but think about those poor kids living in poverty, sold to prositution, never given a chance at education. basically the need to protect the weak is a noble one and any argument against that is simply silly to me and reflects extreme ignorance & selfishness.

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I really love how the UN prevented all these genocides in Rwanda and Sudan from taking place.

[DominO123]

"Coordination". That´s what is at the heart of the problem, the belief that there is a need for such coordination. Let´s face it, which is the longest standing conflict of the post war period? Israel-Palestine. Look at the UN record on that one. Zilch.

 

Show me one instance when the Un was of any use I´ll show you ten when it acted as a bloated and corrupt democracy as any other.

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Boghos, again, the problem with the UN is that those sieging there are countries with their own political motivations. There has been many resolutions about the Israelo-Palestinian conflict, but the US always vetoed when there was something interesting on the table.

 

The UN should be run not by diplomats representing countries, but by intellectuals, Jurists etc.

 

I'de prefer the system I proposed.

[skhara]

UN is nothing more than a political tool to undermine national sovereignties of nations.

Any collaborators with such organisations as the OSCE, NATO, UN, 'World Court', etc, are globalist traitors and should be terminated with extreme prejudice

 

Edited February 15, 2005 by skhara

[Boghos]

Boghos, again, the problem with the UN is that those sieging there are countries with their own political motivations. There has been many resolutions about the Israelo-Palestinian conflict, but the US always vetoed when there was something interesting on the table.

 

The UN should be run not by diplomats representing countries, but by intellectuals, Jurists etc.

 

I'de prefer the system I proposed. 

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No. What you are saying is essentially that the problem of Men is that we are human.

[Sasun]

UN is nothing more than a political tool to undermine national sovereignties of nations.

Any collaborators with such  organisations as the OSCE, NATO, UN, 'World Court', etc, are globalist traitors and should be terminated with extreme prejudice

 

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People with extreme ideas such as this are dangerous to societies. There have been many examples of this in the history. Luckily you are in a fringe minority.

[Nakharar]

UN is nothing more than a political tool to undermine national sovereignties of nations.

Any collaborators with such  organisations as the OSCE, NATO, UN, 'World Court', etc, are globalist traitors and should be terminated with extreme prejudice

 

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None of the above mentioned organizations can be classified as undermining the sovereignity of nations. You forgot the most important supra-national organization the European Union. One cannot compare it to any other international organization. There is no other organization which compells its members, however voluntarily, to transfer some aspects of sovereignity. I have nothing against a confederal EU, but they way it is moving towards a centralized federal structure is going to undermine democracy in the long run. Such as the common acquis which is decided upon not by the legislators in each country but by EU officials and agreed upon by the Commissioners.

[Azat]

Annan defends United Nations as 'vital to humanity'

 

WEDNESDAY, 23 FEBRUARY 2005

 

 

NEW YORK: UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan defended the United Nations, which is beset by scandals from the Iraqi oil programme to sexual abuse by peacekeepers, as "vital to humanity" in the Wall Street Journal yesterday.

 

"I have served the UN all my life. I have done, and am still doing, everything I can to correct its imperfections, and to improve and strengthen it," he wrote in an opinion piece. "And I believe profoundly in the importance of that task, because a strong UN is of vital importance to humanity."

 

Annan addressed charges of mismanagement and corruption in the UN's now-defunct Iraqi oil-for-food programme, admitting there were failings while accusing some critics of hyperbole.

 

US lawmakers and an independent inquiry by former US Federal Reserve Chairman Paul Volcker have uncovered lax management, a shortage of auditors and procurement irregularities but no crimes.

 

"The interim report of Paul Volcker's independent inquiry has helped put the Oil For Food programme in perspective. Some of the more hyperbolic assertions about it have been proven untrue," Annan wrote in the Journal.

 

"Yet I am the first to admit that real and troubling failures - ethical lapses and lax management - have been brought to light. I am determined, with the help of member states, to carry through the management reforms which are clearly called for by Mr Volcker's findings," he said.

 

Annan also addressed the UN probes of allegations against peacekeeping soldiers in the Democratic Republic of Congo of sexual exploitation of women and girls.

 

"Both the UN Secretariat and the member states have been too slow to realize the extent of this problem, take effective measures to end it, and punish the culprits. But we are now doing so, and I am determined to see it through."

 

Annan said the UN had demonstrated its importance both in helping with the Asian tsunami disaster relief effort and the war in Iraq.

 

"The war in Iraq two years ago caused many people on all sides to lose faith in the UN," he wrote.

 

But he added: "Precisely because the United Nations did not agree on some earlier actions in Iraq, yesterday it has much needed credibility with, and access to, Iraqi groups who must agree to join in the new political process if peace is to prevail.

 

"The UN can be useful because it is seen as independent and impartial. If it ever came to be seen as a mere instrument or prolongation of US foreign policy, it would be worthless to everyone."

[skhara]

None of the above mentioned organizations can be classified as undermining the sovereignity of nations.

 

Are you serious??

 

You forgot the most important supra-national organization the European Union.

 

You are right! I did forget the EU.

[Stormig]

Boring read:

 

http://www.pipa.org/OnlineReports/BBCworld...l/bbcpoll4.html